WMR Class 196 Build and Implementation

[GWVillager]

Thought I would add this info from the Non-Urgent TOPS request thread.

Looks like a slim service on the Hereford arm unless its a lot of 172s ?.

Extremely slim service. Only one diagram appears to be running, and the London trains are cancelled, so there’s only a train every 4 hours.

As regards the unit swaps for 196’s at Worcester. Nothing has happened yet due to cancellations.

Will they still go ahead tomorrow/whenever next possible?

 

[SuperLuke2334]

Thought I would add this info from the Non-Urgent TOPS request thread.

Looks like a slim service on the Hereford arm unless its a lot of 172s ?.

The only services WMR are operating out of Hereford today are the 1140 and 1540.

 

[Peter Sarf]

Extremely slim service. Only one diagram appears to be running, and the London trains are cancelled, so there’s only a train every 4 hours.


Will they still go ahead tomorrow/whenever next possible?

I suppose we will see action when a diagram starting at Tyseley sets out with one 196/1 on instead of a pair of 196/0s. Currently neither have set forth today (too early to tell potentially) !. Possibly a 172 or nothing ?. I am not sure Worcester is putting out everything it has - would expect another 196/0 pair.

My take is that anything ambitious is not being undertaken in the midst of an overtime ban. Witness no 720/6s on c2c and only one of three diagrams producing 730/0s out of Euston.

 

[GWVillager]

I suppose we will see action when a diagram starting at Tyseley sets out with one 196/1 on instead of a pair of 196/0s. Currently neither have set forth today (too early to tell potentially) !. Possibly a 172 or nothing ?. I am not sure Worcester is putting out everything it has - would expect another 196/0 pair.

Sorry, 172 or nothing on what service? The running diagram is a pair of 196/0s.

 

[newtownmgr]

Only the one diagram out today due to major signalling problems at Worcester. They were only able to get one set of units off the depot this morning before the shunter booked off at 07:00. Absolute chaos with WMT & GWR Services cancelled.

 

[Peter Sarf]

Sorry, 172 or nothing on what service? The running diagram is a pair of 196/0s.

The diagram that comes off Tyseley at 17:26 as 5V23 that seems to me what feeds the Birmingham / Worcester / Hereford set of services. This has been a pair of 196/0s but is due to be the diagram that feeds 196/1s into that set of services over this week.

 

[GWVillager]

Only the one diagram out today due to major signalling problems at Worcester. They were only able to get one set of units off the depot this morning before the shunter booked off at 07:00. Absolute chaos with WMT & GWR Services cancelled.

Can drivers not do the shunting if necessary?

 

[trundlewagon]

Can drivers not do the shunting if necessary?

Overtime ban this week. If it ain't on the job card, it ain't happening.

 

[GWVillager]

Overtime ban this week. If it ain't on the job card, it ain't happening.

Ah, of course.

 

[172007]

Can drivers not do the shunting if necessary?

Ah, of course.

Drivers don't pull point levers too.

 

[JDM1818]

I'm still looking forward to when the 172s are fully removed from the Hereford route... they're a significant downgrade from the 170s

 

[newtownmgr]

Can drivers not do the shunting if necessary?

Nope. That’s why we have shunters.

 

[bnsf734]

A quick update on the Nuneaton - Leamington service today. - The trains have returned and I have only observed one working today. This was 172008 on the 1837 Nuneaton to Leamington, so it looks as though the Sunday use of a 172 is continuing now we are in the new timetable period.

Will see what tomorrow brings!

 

[AJDesiro]

A quick update on the Nuneaton - Leamington service today. - The trains have returned and I have only observed one working today. This was 172008 on the 1837 Nuneaton to Leamington, so it looks as though the Sunday use of a 172 is continuing now we are in the new timetable period.

Will see what tomorrow brings!

I hope the Sunday 172 does continue, even if I do prefer the 196s. Having Coventry traincrew continue to sign 172s can only be a good thing.

 

[Peter Sarf]

I hope the Sunday 172 does continue, even if I do prefer the 196s. Having Coventry traincrew continue to sign 172s can only be a good thing.

I agree a contingency capability is very important.

It looks like the takeover of Hereford/Worcester diagrams by 196/1s (from 196/0s) did not proceed daily last week (due to overtime bans etc). So there will be some at least 196/0s on it. Wait to see if a 196/1 sets forth in the afternoon from Tyseley to feed into those diagrams.

 

[AJDesiro]

I agree a contingency capability is very important.

It looks like the takeover of Hereford/Worcester diagrams by 196/1s (from 196/0s) did not proceed daily last week (due to overtime bans etc). So there will be some at least 196/0s on it. Wait to see if a 196/1 sets forth in the afternoon from Tyseley to feed into those diagrams.

I spotted a 196/1 on Hereford duties yesterday at New St, I can't remember the unit though, so it's definitely happening.

 

[Peter Sarf]

I spotted a 196/1 on Hereford duties yesterday at New St, I can't remember the unit though, so it's definitely happening.

I was dying to get back last week with a good chance of getting my last 196/0 (012). I got the rest the Wednesday before but the service was too unreliable last week and so a lot less ran and/or could be used. It will come out in the wash anyway but I do wonder what the 196/0s will get used for soon. Progress of course is that the 196/1s will be more getable.

 

[newtownmgr]

012 was working yesterday with 001 off Worcester. It did slip to a stand on the Lickey due to poor rail head conditions. First train up after the storm and no RHTT had run that morning. It was still running around later i believe.

This week they will attempt to swap all the 2 cars out as weren’t able to do it last week.

I believe there is a diagram on the Shrewsbury line for 2 x 2 car in the new timetable.

 

[GWVillager]

I spotted a 196/1 on Hereford duties yesterday at New St, I can't remember the unit though, so it's definitely happening.

The Herefords today are run by:
- 196/1 (196105), 0839 off Hereford
- 2x196/0, 0938 off Hereford
- 2x196/0, 1039 off Hereford
- Something else (exactly what I’m not sure, possibly 196108?), 1140 off Hereford

As you can see, Hereford is now a majority 196 operation, if anyone can identify the missing train we would be able to know if it’s now 196 exclusive.

 

[newtownmgr]

The Herefords today are run by:
- 196/1 (196105), 0839 off Hereford
- 2x196/0, 0938 off Hereford
- 2x196/0, 1039 off Hereford
- Something else (exactly what I’m not sure!), 1140 off Hereford

As you can see, Hereford is now a majority 196 operation, if anyone can identify the missing train we would be able to know if it’s now 196 exclusive.

108 should be about as well.

I spotted a 196/1 on Hereford duties yesterday at New St, I can't remember the unit though, so it's definitely happening.

It was 108

 

[GWVillager]

108 should be about as well.

On the 1140?

 

[newtownmgr]

On the 1140?

Don’t know. It should be about tho.

 

[The_Train]

Can anybody confirm whether any or all of 112, 113 and 114 have carried passengers yet please?

 

[alan71]

196112 is on 1340 SHR BHM
Then 1456 back to SHR

196108 on 1450 BHM HFD

196010+196009 on 1556 BHM SHR so /0s look to be out on this route now. I’d had a handful over the last year but nothing regularly

 

[D.K.TAYLOR]

On the 1140?

196108 arrived in Birmingham New Street about 12-05 ish

 

[SuperLuke2334]

196108 arrived in Birmingham New Street about 12-05 ish

That would have been the 1040 off Hereford. Must have had a unit swap at Worcester.

 

[GWVillager]

196108 arrived in Birmingham New Street about 12-05 ish

So, it ran the 1040? That’s shown as being 2x196/0s. To make matters worse, I just saw 196108 on the diagram that was operated by 196105 this morning! Either my eyes are deceiving me, or some unit swaps have happened during the day.

 

[alan71]

So, it ran the 1040? That’s shown as being 2x196/0s. To make matters worse, I just saw 196108 on the diagram that was operated by 196105 this morning! Either my eyes are deceiving me, or some unit swaps have happened during the day.

Just doubled checked the pic I took- definitely 108 on the 1450 earlier

 

[SuperLuke2334]

So, it ran the 1040? That’s shown as being 2x196/0s. To make matters worse, I just saw 196108 on the diagram that was operated by 196105 this morning! Either my eyes are deceiving me, or some unit swaps have happened during the day.

No, it was 2 /0s when it left Hereford. I think 108 is on what was the 1640 ex Hereford.

 

[newtownmgr]

It would have been 108. That’s the only 4 car that’s been around today on Herefords.