WMR Class 196 Build and Implementation

[Liam L]

Can anybody confirm whether any or all of 112, 113 and 114 have carried passengers yet please?

Only 112. 114 has just recently been accepted so hopefully won't be too long now.

 

[GWVillager]

No, it was 2 /0s when it left Hereford. I think 108 is on what was the 1640 ex Hereford.

Yes, it was.

It would have been 108. That’s the only 4 car that’s been around today on Herefords.

But I definitely saw 105 in the morning. I really wish I'd taken a photo, but I'm not making it up, it was there!

 

[newtownmgr]

As regards the Hereford services yesterday.
105 wasn’t on the list of Worcester starters & neither was it on the end of day list.

No unit swaps took place

Only 4 car was 108

The 12:09 arrival at New St from Hereford was 196001 & 012, they went to Tyseley due to 012 failing & the 12:50/16:50/21:00 ex New st & corresponding workings were cancelled. 001 went empty to Worcester for today.

 

[meld3]

196112 on the Shrewsburys again today.

 

[SuperLuke2334]

Thank you for the detailed reply. Hoping to see more 4 cars soon to get them ticked off the list!

 

[GWVillager]

As regards the Hereford services yesterday.
105 wasn’t on the list of Worcester starters & neither was it on the end of day list.

No unit swaps took place

Only 4 car was 108

Then where was 105? I am absolutely certain I travelled on it - besides the number it has some distinctive damage behind the cab of the non-toilet coach (torn moquette with loose threads on the left hand side and no charging stickers on the airline seats). On 108, none of this was there.

 

[newtownmgr]

Then where was 105? I am absolutely certain I travelled on it - besides the number it has some distinctive damage behind the cab of the non-toilet coach (torn moquette with loose threads on the left hand side and no charging stickers on the airline seats). On 108, none of this was there.

I don’t know, I’m only telling you what was on the list & what went on yesterday that i was aware of. No unit swaps shown & only the one failure. 005 was about with 002.

 

[GWVillager]

The 1250 off Birmingham was cancelled, and the 1350 left from Plat. 11 (the 1208 arrived on 10).

The only possibility I can therefore see is something along the lines of:
- 196105 started off Worcester (though this conflicts with the list, there might be something even more complicated) and then ran the diagram up to the 1240 HFD-BHM, arriving 1409.
- 2x196/0s started off Worcester at 0556 and ran the diagram up to the 1040 HFD-BHM, where they were swapped at Worcester for 196108. This would explain its sighting at BHM at 1205.
- The 1250 off Birmingham was cancelled (keeping 196108 there)
- 196105 (on the 1409 arrival) was sent to Tyseley, though this was shown arriving on Plat. 10, which the 1450 left on.
- The 1450 BHM-HFD was swapped for 196108, allowing it to run the 1639 HFD-BHM, which it did.

 

[newtownmgr]

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The 1250 off Birmingham was cancelled, and the 1350 left from Plat. 11 (the 1208 arrived on 10).

The only possibility I can therefore see is something along the lines of:
- 196105 started off Worcester (though this conflicts with the list, there might be something even more complicated) and then ran the diagram up to the 1240 HFD-BHM, arriving 1409.
- 2x196/0s started off Worcester at 0556 and ran the diagram up to the 1040 HFD-BHM, where they were swapped at Worcester for 196108. This would explain its sighting at BHM at 1205.
- The 1250 off Birmingham was cancelled (keeping 196108 there)
- 196105 (on the 1409 arrival) was sent to Tyseley, though this was shown arriving on Plat. 10, which the 1450 left on.
- The 1450 BHM-HFD was swapped for 196108, allowing it to run the 1639 HFD-BHM, which it did.

196105 wasn’t at Worcester.

196001 & 012 were on the 10:40 Hfd-New St throughout & then went to Tyseley as 012 failed. No units swaps took place at Worcester as this would have required services being diverted via Worcs SH & subsequent delays.

108 was on the same diagram all day & wouldn’t have stayed at New St for over 2 hours & no additional movements to Tyseley were shown.

I’m sorry but you either mistake 005 or 108 for 105.

The 1250 off Birmingham was cancelled, and the 1350 left from Plat. 11 (the 1208 arrived on 10).

The only possibility I can therefore see is something along the lines of:
- 196105 started off Worcester (though this conflicts with the list, there might be something even more complicated) and then ran the diagram up to the 1240 HFD-BHM, arriving 1409.
- 2x196/0s started off Worcester at 0556 and ran the diagram up to the 1040 HFD-BHM, where they were swapped at Worcester for 196108. This would explain its sighting at BHM at 1205.
- The 1250 off Birmingham was cancelled (keeping 196108 there)
- 196105 (on the 1409 arrival) was sent to Tyseley, though this was shown arriving on Plat. 10, which the 1450 left on.
- The 1450 BHM-HFD was swapped for 196108, allowing it to run the 1639 HFD-BHM, which it did.

Just checked with a colleague in WM control.

Yesterday 196105 worked the following.

2J02 05:56 Nst -Shrewsbury,2G04 07:10 rtn then ECS to Tyseley.

ECS to New St then the following

2J32 17:26 ex Nst ,2G27 18:40 ex Shrewsbury
2J40 20:04 ex Nst, 2G33 ex Shrewsbury
Finishing with 2J47 ex New St stabling at Shrewsbury.

 

[GWVillager]

I’m sorry but you either mistake 005 or 108 for 105.

Just checked with a colleague in WM control.

Yesterday 196105 worked the following.

2J02 05:56 Nst -Shrewsbury,2G04 07:10 rtn then ECS to Tyseley.

ECS to New St then the following

2J32 17:26 ex Nst ,2G27 18:40 ex Shrewsbury
2J40 20:04 ex Nst, 2G33 ex Shrewsbury
Finishing with 2J47 ex New St stabling at Shrewsbury.

Interesting, thank you.

I must be going mad, then - I could have sworn it was 105. It would have been 108, it was a /1.

 

[01d-and]

I saw 2 'Herefords' at Bromsgrove earlier , both two cars , 001 the 004 , both full with standing passengers on the Northbound working.

 

[The_Train]

Only 112. 114 has just recently been accepted so hopefully won't be too long now.

I thought 114 was a myth to be honest......

Thanks for that though, no sign of 113 coming out to play yet either?

 

[nigelsporne]

The bay at Shrewsbury, 3rd Nov, with 110 on a Birmingham service and 114 on test.

 

[Liam L]

I thought 114 was a myth to be honest......

Thanks for that though, no sign of 113 coming out to play yet either?

Not sure on 113 to be honest.

 

[The_Train]

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114 in service here?

 

[nigelsporne]

No, test run. Platform 6 at Shrewsbury in early November.

 

[Peter Sarf]

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Nice photo. Really shows off the complex curves/angles with the slightly different shot angle on the two units.

Suggest you add the location to the original post- one day people will be scratching their head over the location.

 

[The_Train]

No, test run. Platform 6 at Shrewsbury in early November.

Thank you

 

[nigelsporne]

I would add the location if I knew how!! Had enough problems uploading the picture! I had to get my young grandson to do it

 

[Peter Sarf]

I would add the location if I knew how!! Had enough problems uploading the picture! I had to get my young grandson to do it

I know the feeling, bleedin technology.

Go to the post (ie your post) hit the edit button. Put your cursor at the top of the picture and hit the enter button on your keyboard. You now have a line to type in.

If the picture disappears or it looks a mess than UNDO. Easy way on a PC is hit Control+Z until you cannot undo anymore. Either that or close the browser or page - that way you don't save it !.

You could experiment/learn with one of your simpler posts I suppose. Pictures and quoted things can be tricky. Could always ask a Moderator as I am not as expert as them.

I posted here so others can correct me if I am leading down one of many dark passages !.

It is a lovely photo and interesting.

 

[nigelsporne]

Thank you for this. I will instruct my 10 year old Grandson to give it a go! Don't want to delete the whole Forum!
The trouble with Smart phones is that it assumes somebody smart is using them. This doesn't apply in my case.
I took a number of photos in an attempt to minimise the shadows but couldn't really do it. It's surprising really that at this angle and the colour of the units they look quite smart.
114 did not stop long before returning to Brum. It did however return later in the day.

Done!

There was some discussion earlier in the month on this thread regarding the use of 196/0s.
With the use of these units on the Nuneaton and Camp Hill lines and I assume the temporary use of the units on the E-W line is that the long term plan? I thought the E-W line fell under Chiltern or am I mistaken? If not then surely there must be a plan for these units within the West Midlands. Will these units get transferred to Chiltern? Did someone actually have the foresight to increase the 196/0 order to cater for this? If so it would be a first!

 

[Liam L]

There was some discussion earlier in the month on this thread regarding the use of 196/0s.
With the use of these units on the Nuneaton and Camp Hill lines and I assume the temporary use of the units on the E-W line is that the long term plan? I thought the E-W line fell under Chiltern or am I mistaken? If not then surely there must be a plan for these units within the West Midlands. Will these units get transferred to Chiltern? Did someone actually have the foresight to increase the 196/0 order to cater for this? If so it would be a first!

I believe there should be enough 196/0 units to share between EWR and WMT services.

Two units are needed for nuneaton shuttle with two units will be required for Camp Hill when it starts. So should be enough with spare sets.

 

[nigelsporne]

I fully accept that. The question though is when the 196/0s were ordered was it always intended that 6 units would be provided for the EW link or were they intended for elsewhere eventually? Are Chiltern going to run the E-W link or not? If so will Chiltern be replacing the 196s sometime in the future? Where will the 196s be maintained?

 

[newtownmgr]

I fully accept that. The question though is when the 196/0s were ordered was it always intended that 6 units would be provided for the EW link or were they intended for elsewhere eventually? Are Chiltern going to run the E-W link or not? If so will Chiltern be replacing the 196s sometime in the future? Where will the 196s be maintained?

EWR 196’s will be maintained at Bletchley i believe. EWR are supposed to be tendering for new bi mode units. It’s planned that the 196’s should return to WMR to allow for expansion of services as outlined in the West Mids route strategy.

 

[AJDesiro]

I believe there should be enough 196/0 units to share between EWR and WMT services.

Two units are needed for nuneaton shuttle with two units will be required for Camp Hill when it starts. So should be enough with spare sets.

With Shrewsbury going back up to 2tph “next summer” according to this article, I’m starting to wonder if this would be enough.

New Black Country rail stations will be served by fast Shrewsbury-New Street route

Two under-construction Black Country railway stations will be served by a new fast service, it has been revealed.

www.shropshirestar.com

New Black Country railway stations will be served by fast route from Shrewsbury to New Street​

Two under-construction Black Country railway stations will be served by a new fast service, it has been revealed.

Preparation work is under way to build new stations at Darlaston and Willenhall which will be on an extra Shrewsbury-Birmingham timetable.

The changes came to light after train operator West Midlands Railway on Monday dropped its hourly fast direct service from Tame Bridge Parkway to Wolverhampton, which was expected to serve the proposed new stations. But it said the service will be replaced next summer.

The company explained that the route had previously been serviced by the Crewe-Birmingham line and as of this week, that service now only runs between Crewe and Stafford and cannot stop at Tame Bridge Parkway or Wolverhampton.

A West Midlands Railway spokesperson said: "As part of wider timetable changes to improve operational performance, our fastest direct service between Tame Bridge Parkway and Wolverhampton was temporarily withdrawn from December 10.

Once rollout is complete, and Shrewsbury has gone to 2tph (presumably with 4 car units) I believe that 10 196/1s would be needed each day, excluding peak extras (around 1 or 2 more units required). And then at least 4 196/0s would be needed for the NUCKLE and Camp Hill services. This doesn’t even take into account the long term aspiration to get Coventry-Nuneaton up to 2tph, which would require an additional 196/0.

This would leave roughly 3-6 units not needed each day, which is cutting it fine closer to the 3 side. It’ll probably be fine, but it definitely means WMT will lose some flexibility.

 

[JonathanH]

Once rollout is complete, and Shrewsbury has gone to 2tph (presumably with 4 car units) I believe that 10 196/1s would be needed each day, excluding peak extras (around 1 or 2 more units required).

Shrewsbury 2tph needs five units all day, instead of three units plus two peak extras as at present. Hereford 1tph needs four units. There is one peak extra diagram on the Worcester route. Ten diagrams should be achievable with 14 4-car units, possibly even 11.

 

[nigelsporne]

This sounds sensible. By a fast Shrewsbury to New Street service are we talking about a service that will only stop at principal stations?

 

[AJDesiro]

Shrewsbury 2tph needs five units all day, instead of three units plus two peak extras as at present. Hereford 1tph needs four units. There is one peak extra diagram on the Worcester route. Ten diagrams should be achievable with 14 4-car units, possibly even 11.

Ah, that makes a bit more sense then. Presumably they should be fine with the loss of 6 196/0s, though it’s a shame that we won’t be seeing them as much on the SHL as originally thought, I find them preferable to a 172 any day, especially with the state of the /0s and /1s!

This sounds sensible. By a fast Shrewsbury to New Street service are we talking about a service that will only stop at principal stations?

Probably something similar to the current 1G99 service (which already goes via Bescot), with calls at Wellington, Telford, Shifnal, Codsall, Wolves, Darlaston, Willenhall, Tame Beidge and New St.

 

[GWVillager]

Shrewsbury 2tph needs five units all day, instead of three units plus two peak extras as at present. Hereford 1tph needs four units. There is one peak extra diagram on the Worcester route. Ten diagrams should be achievable with 14 4-car units, possibly even 11.

But, according to the West Mids Route Strategy, Hereford should go to 2tph too (once the Midlands Rail Hub is completed, of course).

 

[nigelsporne]

A quick look at RTT appears to show 1G99 takes longer than the normal services. If so hardly a fast service.
I agree though that in this day and age Shrewsbury and intermediate stations warrant a 2 tph service.