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Glasgow Subway new stock

jagardner1984

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One thing I think can be said with complete certainty - they will be entirely certain of the new trains in normal running before letting the football fans anywhere near them. It is fair to say the approach both sets of fans of the dominant teams here in Glasgow have an approach to destroying public realm which could be politely described as “enthusiastic” - with the Subway displaying prominent signs all day when the matches are on so most regular travellers who do not want to travel on crush loaded trains with Beer, Buckfast and other substances swilling around their feet whilst people sing a variety of sectarian songs whilst they kick and pound every inch of the trains …. May take another mode of transport.

Quite why the rest of the population of West Scotland has to put up with the pandemonium this minority leave in their wake is somewhat beyond my understanding … the “passengers may not travel when intoxicated” signs feel particularly laughable on those days.

Apparently this is all normal in a cosmopolitan 21st Century city.

But returning to new stock sightings -

Essentially for those unfamiliar with the service pattern. The peak service winds down from about 0915 as 3 of the six trains are taken out of the system. One is reintroduced around lunchtime, and another 2 mid afternoon - giving 6 again for the evening peak. This is what delivers a 4 min service. There is an 8 minute window between Train A and B and C on both circles in the off peak - therefore I would say the trains will be considerably more proven before being released into peak service - for example the issues of the door sequencing discussed above. With 2 min travel time between some stations - on a 4 minute service you do not have to have much of a delay to start affecting the rest of the circle - as you’ll often hear at the moment if travelling in the leading car - as trains are held at signals to compensate for a slow running train ahead.

But essentially - right now you are most likely to see them in as additional trains between about 1000 and 1500. I’d guess this will build up as they have more confidence in them.
 
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I just watched a video which seemed to suggest that the new trains have less headroom than the old ones - can this be true, and if so, why?
 

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I have a feeling more new units will enter service on Sunday, since there’s a Rangers V Aberdeen FC game at Ibrox on that day.

It's worth pointing out the game is at Hampden and thus unlikely to impact the subway at all.
 

jagardner1984

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I just watched a video which seemed to suggest that the new trains have less headroom than the old ones - can this be true, and if so, why?
This is true - I believe it is due to new fireproofing regulations - i.e. in 1975 - there is minimal thickness to the car walls / doors on Gen 2 stock - you can see even from the press release photos the door columns etc have considerably more thickness, and thus given the tightness of the external profile, logically the internal space must be reduced.
 

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I just watched a video which seemed to suggest that the new trains have less headroom than the old ones - can this be true
Having travelled to Govan on Gen 2 and returned to Buchanan on Gen 3 (which was packed) if there was any headroom reduction it was minimal, indeed on the top deck of buses I’ve been known to scrape my head but never on the Subway. Yes, if you‘re a regular TfL tube user Glasgow seems like toytown but if there are a cm or two different the public won’t notice.
 

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302 and 306 currently out just now until 1700ish. They’re running one behind the other, 302 first.
 

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I remember seeing one of the new units on display at Innotrans, Berlin in September 2018. Does anyone out there know which particular unit it was by any chance ?
 

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I remember seeing one of the new units on display at Innotrans, Berlin in September 2018. Does anyone out there know which particular unit it was by any chance ?
I saw a video around that time and from memory it was a factory mock-up for a ‘proof of concept‘ after Stadler won the supply contract two years earlier - so I doubt any of what was seen then was converted or adapted into a working vehicle…..
 

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I think it’s the sign of an organisation with very little confidence in itself that they went to such lengths to keep the introduction of these trains under the radar.
 

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I saw a video around that time and from memory it was a factory mock-up for a ‘proof of concept‘ after Stadler won the supply contract two years earlier - so I doubt any of what was seen then was converted or adapted into a working vehicle…..
Was on it at the time on one of the public days - from memory and looking back through old photos and videos it almost certainly wasn't a mockup, given that practically all other vehicles outside were real, it had all underfloor equipment installed and was placed on one of the exhibition tracks between two other vehicles with its 1219 mm gauge bogies resting on standard gauge ones suggesting that it had been dragged there. First unit was delivered to Glasgow in May 2019, not that much later. Couldn't find any vehicle numbers, though.
 

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it almost certainly wasn't a mockup
I’ll try an find a link to the video - My info sheet stated “The Stadler AG electric multiple units ordered for Glasgow Subway in 2017 and numbered 301 to 317, with vehicles number 301A, 301B, 301C, 301D to 317A, 317B, 317C and 317D.” The contract was agreed in 2016 and it was non-standard in almost every way, so if it was real, they certainly got a spurt on! I believe SPT had a hardboard mock-up In Glasgow to the correct dimensions but with no floor/undercarriage but I don’t know what happened to that
 

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New trains are going in outer circle only just now
Going in pair in case of rescue same coupler unit etc
Going in for 6 loops at a time @ 9:30 and 14:00 Approx to train drivers
 

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The new units absolutely look the part. The curvature of the doors and windows are just extreamly neat, however I think that the Stadler Stock seems slightly more compact internally than the Metro-Cammell predesseccors.

It would also be extreamly interesting if those units experiance a wealth of technical challenges akin to Merseyrail Class 777 EMUs also from the troublesome “Metro” family of multiple units.
 
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I had to hold onto the handrails to avoid falling over!
You should be holding on to something anyway in case there is an unexpected and sudden reduction in speed. Or someone else bumping into you. It's things like this which cause accidents.
 

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