First West Yorkshire & York discussion

[noddingdonkey]

I was thinking more about the timetable not being on First's own website

 

[dodecahedron67]

There is a problem with the way Leeds Commercial have been submitting changes to the BODS since summer. This has been raised internally

 

[Deerfold]

There is a problem with the way Leeds Commercial have been submitting changes to the BODS since summer. This has been raised internally

Is anything being done about it?

At the moment passengers have no access via any official source to timetables on the 590/1/2. If it was a little company doing that it'd be criticised. For a group like First it's laughable.

 

[RELL6L]

Is anything being done about it?

At the moment passengers have no access via any official source to timetables on the 590/1/2. If it was a little company doing that it'd be criticised. For a group like First it's laughable.

This is shocking. There is nothing on the Metro site, input the route numbers for 590 or 548 or 521 - says no such service. 590 isn't on First's website either. Only BusTimes gets you a 590 timetable, but nothing is tracking at all in Halifax and only the 184 is tracking in Huddersfield.

 

[Deerfold]

At least the X1 is finally on the Metro website.

 

[D6130]

Is anything being done about it?

At the moment passengers have no access via any official source to timetables on the 590/1/2. If it was a little company doing that it'd be criticised. For a group like First it's laughable.

I've managed to download PDFs of the new 590/591/592 timetables from the First Halifax/Huddersfield website.

 

[Deerfold]

I've managed to download PDFs of the new 590/591/592 timetables from the First Halifax/Huddersfield website.

Where from?

I can only see the old timetables and the weekend new ones.

This is shocking. There is nothing on the Metro site, input the route numbers for 590 or 548 or 521 - says no such service. 590 isn't on First's website either. Only BusTimes gets you a 590 timetable, but nothing is tracking at all in Halifax and only the 184 is tracking in Huddersfield.

The new 548 is on the First website, neither the 548 or 9 on Metro and Bustimes has still got the old times for both.

Have contacted Metro and First on social media. First directed me to somewhere the timetables aren't. After a couple of hours Metro pointed me to bustimes for the 590 and ignored questions about other routes despite saying they were happy to answer questions. Neither would enter into discussions about putting something on their website to let people know they knew they were missing and pointing towards where they were.

 

[TUC]

Overcrowding and a degree of chaos at Halifax Bus Station today because, even though a number of services have moved into there this week, half the bus station is not yet open, including the stands that arriving services are meant to use, resulting in them blocking stands that other services need to use for departures.

Why weren't the changes delayed until the stands were ready?

Why didn't Metro say to its contractor 'we expect you to have the stands ready on time, even if you end up paying your staff to work overtime. You have a contract. Deliver it on time?'

 

[Steve440]

Where from?

I can only see the old timetables and the weekend new ones.



The new 548 is on the First website, neither the 548 or 9 on Metro and Bustimes has still got the old times for both.

Have contacted Metro and First on social media. First directed me to somewhere the timetables aren't. After a couple of hours Metro pointed me to bustimes for the 590 and ignored questions about other routes despite saying they were happy to answer questions. Neither would enter into discussions about putting something on their website to let people know they knew they were missing and pointing towards where they were.

Bustimes has the new 548/9 timetables but also the old ones so it's a bit of a mess!

 

[TUC]

None of the 590/591/592 buses have been showing on Bustimes when I've tried looking them up today.

However - on the plus side - there's been a flurry of activity at bus stops in the upper Calder Valley over the last week or so fitting new PIS screens....many of them at stops which haven't had them previously.

Even more bizarrely, if Halifax Bus Station is entered as the location on the Next Bus webpage, the stand list to choose from appears to be for the old bus station.

 

[Deerfold]

Overcrowding and a degree of chaos at Halifax Bus Station today because, even though a number of services have moved into there this week, half the bus station is not yet open, including the stands that arriving services are meant to use, resulting in them blocking stands that other services need to use for departures.

Why weren't the changes delayed until the stands were ready?

Why didn't Metro say to its contractor 'we expect you to have the stands ready on time, even if you end up paying your staff to work overtime. You have a contract. Deliver it on time?'

To be fair, it seems to have been like that since it opened, with services not arriving into the layover stands and departing buses regularly leaving from the nearest to the correct stand they can get to.

 

[Andyh82]

It does seem to be taking an absolute age to get the last bit of construction over the line

It looks like it’s been about a week away from being finished for about a month now

 

[TUC]

To be fair, it seems to have been like that since it opened, with services not arriving into the layover stands and departing buses regularly leaving from the nearest to the correct stand they can get to.

It's really not good enough for people like my wife who is blind and so reliant upon services leaving from the correct stand. For it to be a problem in a new bus station is frankly incompetence by Metro.

 

[dodecahedron67]

The problems with tracking not showing up are now fixed. Everything tracking as it should on bustimes

You’re all welcome

 

[RELL6L]

The problems with tracking not showing up are now fixed. Everything tracking as it should on bustimes

You’re all welcome

We are all very grateful! It shows how much we depend on BusTimes now.

Pictures still emerging but, interestingly, we can now see:
590/1/2 all deckers
501/X1, 576, 579 have some single deckers on, even the 508.
Mixendens mixed (no pun intended)
540-3,548 and 549 all single deckers.

 

[noddingdonkey]

A further consequence of this mess - no timetables on the stand displays at Huddersfield bus station, although the electronic screens seemed to be accurate.

 

[Deerfold]

A day after I asked, Metro had the 549 times on its website, but no 548, though they used to be on the same timetable.

Still no 521 590-2. They pointed me towards business for the 590 and have ignored my questions about the 521.

 

[TUC]

When I lived in other parts of the country I used to look with admiration at PTEs and wish they existed everywhere. It is so disappointing now I live West Yorkshire to find that in multiple ways Metro seems rather disorganised and below par.

 

[D6130]

When I lived in other parts of the country I used to look with admiration at PTEs and wish they existed everywhere. It is so disappointing now I live West Yorkshire to find that in multiple ways Metro seems rather disorganised and below par.

Agreed.

 

[_toommm_]

Are the purple electric buses in Leeds tied to certain routes? I noted it on the 38 yesterday for most of the day.

The Yutong?? buses that regularly are on the 5 and 5A have branched out before, as I've seen them on the X84 early in the morning or late at night quite a few times.

 

[61653 HTAFC]

When I lived in other parts of the country I used to look with admiration at PTEs and wish they existed everywhere. It is so disappointing now I live West Yorkshire to find that in multiple ways Metro seems rather disorganised and below par.

I used to think the same, having lived in a non-PTE area where almost all buses finished at 6pm... then I spent time in TrentBarton land and realised that PTE's especially West Yorkshire weren't really all that.

Doesn't help that our Mayor has very little political experience, and is more interested in headline-grabbing gestures than problem-solving... though issues with Metro long predate Ms. Brabin's involvement.

 

[Bantamzen]

Are the purple electric buses in Leeds tied to certain routes? I noted it on the 38 yesterday for most of the day.

The Yutong?? buses that regularly are on the 5 and 5A have branched out before, as I've seen them on the X84 early in the morning or late at night quite a few times.

I'm pretty certain I saw one (purple electric) passing through City Square on a 4 late last week.

 

[noddingdonkey]

I think I saw photos on a Facebook group of one having had its windows smashed in or around Pudsey last week

 

[Whisky Papa]

The new 590-2 timetables are now on Metro's website.

Bus Timetables | Metro

Bus Timetables for West Yorkshire. Buses, bus timetables. bus schedules, bus stops, Ackworth, Baildon, Batley, Bingley, Birstall, Bradford, Brighouse, Castleford, Cleckheaton, Colne Valley, Denby Dale, Denholme, Dewsbury, Elland, Featherstone, Garforth, Guiseley, Halifax, Hebden Bridge...

www.wymetro.com

 

[Bantamzen]

I think I saw photos on a Facebook group of one having had its windows smashed in or around Pudsey last week

That didn't take long.... I have just seen two on Eastgate on the 42 route.

 

[Deerfold]

The new 590-2 timetables are now on Metro's website.

Bus Timetables | Metro

Bus Timetables for West Yorkshire. Buses, bus timetables. bus schedules, bus stops, Ackworth, Baildon, Batley, Bingley, Birstall, Bradford, Brighouse, Castleford, Cleckheaton, Colne Valley, Denby Dale, Denholme, Dewsbury, Elland, Featherstone, Garforth, Guiseley, Halifax, Hebden Bridge...

www.wymetro.com

I think there's just the 521 to go now.

Oddly, they've separated the 548 and 549 timetables.

 

[NorthernSpirit]

A day after I asked, Metro had the 549 times on its website, but no 548, though they used to be on the same timetable.

Still no 521 590-2. They pointed me towards business for the 590 and have ignored my questions about the 521.

The 548 has become a circular from the timetable I got from Halifax.

Journeys from Halifax to Nunnery Lane appear to terminate in Brighouse but they don't, they're only there for three minutes before departing Brighouse bus station to Nunnery Lane before running back to Brighouse where they wait for another three minutes before heading back to Halifax. Monday to Friday sees two early journeys on the 549 from Brighouse, one is the 0437 to Halifax and the other is the 0450 to Huddersfield. The last buses of the day Monday to Saturday, both being a 549 from Huddersfield is at 2319 (meaning Rastrick gets its 'nightbus' back) and 2325 from Halifax. So an improvement on a morning but could do with at least an addtional journey at 2349 (from Halifax) / 2355 (from Huddersfield) which would be enough on Friday's and Saturday's.

The 586 (Commons) doesn't seem to have anything done to it timewise but its likely a slight route change at King Cross, likewise with the 579 (Sowerby). The Elland Lines 501/X1 is some serious over saturation of buses through HX5 but there is at least a nightbus, the 2358 X1 to Haliax.

When I lived in other parts of the country I used to look with admiration at PTEs and wish they existed everywhere. It is so disappointing now I live West Yorkshire to find that in multiple ways Metro seems rather disorganised and below par.

I used to think the same, having lived in a non-PTE area where almost all buses finished at 6pm... then I spent time in TrentBarton land and realised that PTE's especially West Yorkshire weren't really all that. Doesn't help that our Mayor has very little political experience, and is more interested in headline-grabbing gestures than problem-solving... though issues with Metro long predate Ms. Brabin's involvement.

I'd rather see Metro being split into five LPTU's - Local Passenger Transport Units each covering the two boroughs and three cities of West Yorkshire with the LPTU's being answerable to the reresurected (for the third time) Passenger Transport Authority (this time relocated to Wakefield with a third of the workforce) whilst at the same time binning both the Combined Authority and MetroMayor. At this moment in time I wished West Yorkshire didn't have a Passenger Transport Executive or Combined Authority, I'd rather live in an area with a county / unitary council passenger transport unit as the budget is lower therefore wasting it on frivilous schemes is not on option. But that's just me.

 

[Andyh82]

You don’t ask for much do you, the 548/549 now starts over an hour earlier than previously and ends an hour later than previously, and that isn’t good enough, you want a bus another 30 mins later than that?

Whilst at the same time complaining that the 501/X1 improvements has resulted in too many buses?

And then I’m not sure where to start with the comment that you wish you lived somewhere with a lower public transport budget

 

[61653 HTAFC]

One possible advantage of giving the boroughs more control would be the possibility of bring back a Batley to Huddersfield direct service, which was lost a few years ago when the 229 was diverted away due to congestion... then again given the state of Kirkees Council, maybe not!

 

[Andyh82]

If anyone hasn’t seen the no expense spent Elland Lines branding for the new and improved X1/501 service, I’ve found a photo on Flickr

37129 "Elland Lines"

First Halifax 37129

www.flickr.com

Both First and Metro have done poorly with this launch. First due to the only advertising being this very low key branding, Metro by not updating any bus stops so they all still refer to 503. Some bus stops on the new route through Old Ainleys even still say ‘School services only’