fkofilee
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£40.05 is the correct fare for an Off-Peak Return with Network Card discount from Gatwick Airport to Ryde Hoverport via Barnham, according to BRFares.
What is the full itinerary you are shown - presumably train, then hovercraft, then walk from Hoverport to Esplanade?
Yes, it is.Correct - What im trying to understand is if the Hovercraft is included with the ticket.
I believe if the destination is Ryde Hoverport then yes it includes the Hovercraft, it has to be routed via the Hovercraft if it's another station on the island but tickets to the Hoverport are valid even without saying "Via Hovercraft" or similar.Question for the floor - Does this ticket include the hovercraft to the Isle of Wight - Its not clear that its included in the cost?
Conversely in the other direction the Hovercraft delivers you to the bus station (every Island destination except Sandown/Shanklin/ Brading)/ short walk to Ryde town centre. Wheras the Fastcat drops you at the end of the Pier either a long walk in the wind or the rain or waiting for a Island train to turn up if ones working/ theres no closure for planned improvements which uniquely in the IOW goes on for months on end!In my experience of going the other way, the default position is the Hoverspeed route and you have to specify if you want to use the Wightlink FastCat via Pier Head. The FastCat is, I think, more expensive, but it does drop you at Portsmouth Harbour station, rather than a bus ride away in Southsea.
Yes but I'd buy to Esplanade as there's nowt at Pier Head and it can be a miserable walk in bad weather!But the question - does the cost include the ferry is more what I am after.
Yes, that one includes the ferry.But the question - does the cost include the ferry is more what I am after.
Yes all through tickets to the IOW via Portsmouth include either the Wightlink Fast Cat (Portsmouth Harbour to Ryde Pier Head) or Hovercraft Southsea to Ryde Hoverport. The Hovercraft tickets include the Hoverbus which goes Portsmouth and Southsea > Hoverport > Portsmouth Harbour > Portsmouth and Southsea.Interesting - Thanks for the tip - This shows via Wightlink
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But the question - does the cost include the ferry is more what I am after.
It wont apply at this time of year and very rarely at any time on the hovercraft unless there is something like the IOW or Victorious festivals on, when you will have to queue at Portsmouth harbour or Ryde pier as well. You simply go to the check in desk and on the next departure.Technically, passengers using rail tickets on the hovercraft are requested to book in advance for a particular sailing, and at busy times may not be able to board the first service at Southsea or Ryde if there isn't space. That problem doesn't arise on Wightlink.
Portsmouth Group is the only associated Routeing Point for Ryde's various stations and fare locations, so there is no need to undertake the fares check; it is "appropriate" by definition.So i ended up buying for a ticket machine to Ryde Pier Head - With Wightlink included.
Added railcard discount and I got the FULL 33% off. This included travel on Super Off Peak via Any Route
Further question for the floor. What route is my ticket valid on?
Yellow Pages doesnt have my specific stations listed (GTW Yes - IOW Group or Ryde No)
So is Portsmouth to Guildford and Then GWR to Gatwick?
What about Portsmouth To Clapham and Then Southern to Gatwick?
It does make me wonder when there is no clear guidance
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Strictly speaking that's not right. Only the routes via Barnham (i.e. the first two in your list) are permitted on an "Any Permitted" ticket from Portsmouth or the Isle of Wight to Gatwick. You need a ticket routed via Clapham Junction and/or London for the other routes you mention to be permitted.Thanks for that - Spoke with some staff and on the train with SWR - They have told me that my ticket is valid via
- Southern Portsmouth to Brighton then to Gatwick
- Southern Arun Valley (Via Horsham)
- SWR From Portsmouth to Guildford and then Guildford to Gatwick Airport
- SWR From Portsmouth to Clapham via either Guildford or Winchester / Basingstoke and then Clapham to Gatwick
Indeed but most members of the public would approach it from the other end - they'd enter A to B into a journey planner, possibly specifying via or avoid if they had a particular route in mind, and see which ticket(s) it offers. That being said, I think the industry could certainly do more to make permitted routes accessible.But the routing points are not widely shown / known by the public.
Strictly speaking "Any Permitted" means neither "any route is permitted" nor "any reasonable route" - although the latter interpretation (which was the rule under British Rail until around 1996) is, in practice, how most members of staff still judge ticket validity.Thats a bit mental that they take **ANY PERMITTED** as literally any route! (Reasonable of course)
Be careful what you wish for. The rail industry has long deemed the concept of permitted routes to be "too complicated" - but rather than making it easier to determine permitted routes, they (unsuccessfully) tried to eradicate the term "Any Permitted" with "via X" or simply no stated route as all. The latter had to be implemented as "route dot" because some antiquated ticketing systems couldn't handle a completely empty route field...I can see why the fares system is a little messed up and needs reform! :/ It needs to be stated clearer I think.
Thats interesting - i used to get a tickets from a ticket machine that used to put a "Via ." - I thought it was a printing issue but i see it was legit.Be careful what you wish for. The rail industry has long deemed the concept of permitted routes to be "too complicated" - but rather than making it easier to determine permitted routes, they (unsuccessfully) tried to eradicate the term "Any Permitted" with "via X" or simply no stated route as all. The latter had to be implemented as "route dot" because some antiquated ticketing systems couldn't handle a completely empty route field...
A friend and I intend to take the Hovercraft over to the IoW and back on Easter Sunday. I was wondering about this.Technically, passengers using rail tickets on the hovercraft are requested to book in advance for a particular sailing, and at busy times may not be able to board the first service at Southsea or Ryde if there isn't space. That problem doesn't arise on Wightlink.
A friend and I intend to take the Hovercraft over to the IoW and back on Easter Sunday. I was wondering about this.
The train tickets we intend to buy are day returns from Hilsea to Ryde Hoverport. If we reserve seats on a particular crossing at least 48 hours ahead as requested, are we then obligated to cross at that time? Is it likely to be busy on Easter Sunday?
Likely as thats when trade picks up for Ryde and the season. Lots of open top buses and touristy things...
If you buy to Ryde Pier head then you can travel with Wightlink and then just buy a further ticket from Ryde Pier Head to where you want to go