It is just a rumour, it seems like people have been able to substantiate that it was being considered but was not confirmed by any mean.Apparently 175s going to GWR is just a rumour and isn’t happening? So I am being told?
I can’t go into much detail, but Someone has said GWR have said they’re not taking them? All I will say is, I don’t think the source was an official source!It is just a rumour, it seems like people have been able to substantiate that it was being considered but was not confirmed by any mean.
Where are you heading that it’s not happening ?
Angel's rolling stock for lease/disposal has them as available Q2 2024. There hasn't been an announcement from GWR but they need more stock for the Mid Cornwall Metro.I can’t go into much detail, but Someone has said GWR have said they’re not taking them? All I will say is, I don’t think the source was an official source!
I have also seen at least three of them have been parked at Ely Does this suggest at all they will not be going to GWR? Or could they be going there then to GWR?
Oh well, we can just muddle on then with short formed trains.....if your right it's frankly criminal , a real waste of good trains.Apparently 175s going to GWR is just a rumour and isn’t happening? So I am being told?
It's the corrosion and exam requirements that is the problem with TfWs 150s, they're in a really bad state.Exeter depot seems good at keeping rolling stock in service. They did it with the 143s and are doing it with the 150/2s. They could use the Welsh 150s for new services and spare parts.
I agree, just what someone told me unfortunately. Hopefully they do go back into service.Oh well, we can just muddle on then with short formed trains.....if your right it's frankly criminal , a real waste of good trains.
I do think it would make a lot of sense.For my money I would say that gwr maybe holding on for the Welsh 158 s
I wouldn’t trust that ATL document too much. Some of them 153s are already gone.Angel's rolling stock for lease/disposal has them as available Q2 2024. There hasn't been an announcement from GWR but they need more stock for the Mid Cornwall Metro.
Apparently, the TfW 150/2s are in pretty bad condition so it's unlikely they'd make their way across.
Fingers crossed.Reported on WNXX Forum today by a credible source that a deal has been been put together for GWR to receive all 27 175s and half a dozen 2 or 3-car units from elsewhere.
I'd quite like to know where those additional units will come from.Reported on WNXX Forum today by a credible source that a deal has been been put together for GWR to receive all 27 175s and half a dozen 2 or 3-car units from elsewhere.
Likewise some of the HST vehicles have also changed owner.I wouldn’t trust that ATL document too much. Some of them 153s are already gone.
Hint: look at the GCR
TfW have 24x 158s, the additional half dozen could easily be them if this deal is legitimate.I'd quite like to know where those additional units will come from.
Indeed, the TfW ones are very corroded.It's the corrosion and exam requirements that is the problem with TfWs 150s, they're in a really bad state.
The extra units is expected to be cascaded and dependent on being replaced at the current TOC.Reported on WNXX Forum today by a credible source that a deal has been been put together for GWR to receive all 27 175s and half a dozen 2 or 3-car units from elsewhere.
Yes, it isn't fully up to date.I wouldn’t trust that ATL document too much. Some of them 153s are already gone.
Hint: look at the GCR
Well, slight flaw. how can you sign a deal on an asset this is not available ? No one knows for certain when TFW’s 158’s will be available.TfW have 24x 158s, the additional half dozen could easily be them if this deal is legitimate.
Okay, so what stock in storage right now could this theoretically cover? The suggestion of 165s from Chiltern above presumably wouldn't do as they're not available either.Well, slight flaw. how can you sign a deal on an asset this is not available ? No one knows for certain when TFW’s 158’s will be available.
What source?previous rumour of fleets going to GWR that was also from a credible source has also been said to not be happening
The contributor on WNXX says the operator that will release the extra 6 or so 2/3-car units must receive replacement stock first.Well, slight flaw. how can you sign a deal on an asset this is not available ? No one knows for certain when TFW’s 158’s will be available.
Just in terms of thinking what stock is likely to be available on a shorter timeframe, let’s work with Chiltern gaining the entire fleet of ex-TPE mk5 sets. As I understand it there are more mk5 sets than Chiltern has mk3 sets in active service, which may allow an internal cascade with 168s taking on some duties that are currently run by 165s. This could possibly provide a source of 165s to transfer to GWR.Angel own both the 165/166s and the 175s. If Chiltern gets additional stock then some of their 165s doesn't seem unlikely.
That’s believed to be all off - few million being thrown/wasted on nursing more years out the Mk3s instead.Just in terms of thinking what stock is likely to be available on a shorter timeframe, let’s work with Chiltern gaining the entire fleet of ex-TPE mk5 sets. As I understand it there are more mk5 sets than Chiltern has mk3 sets in active service, which may allow an internal cascade with 168s taking on some duties that are currently run by 165s. This could possibly provide a source of 165s to transfer to GWR.
That’s a pretty massive increase if true - even allowing for HST replacement, Mid Cornwall Metro and Metro West enhancements.Reported on WNXX Forum today by a credible source that a deal has been been put together for GWR to receive all 27 175s and half a dozen 2 or 3-car units from elsewhere.
Yes it would be although GWR never received the 769s either and consequently GWR regional services are struggling for stock even before service enhancements in Cornwall, Devon (Cullompton / Wellington), and Bristol. Also, too many 5-car IETs are operating from Paddington due to being used on Cardiff-Penzance.That’s a pretty massive increase if true - even allowing for HST replacement, Mid Cornwall Metro and Metro West enhancements.
Isn't that a matter of the train supplier not meeting agreed contractual levels of availability rather than there not being theoretical capacity in the fleet to provide units for Cardiff to Penzance? Effectively bringing in more stock is letting the train supplier off the hook?Also, too many 5-car IETs are operating from Paddington due to being used on Cardiff-Penzance.
Who's to say hitachi aren't footing the bill for the additional stock?however the 80x were not intended for the route so I wonder if they had enough without those issues to run the service with 80x.Isn't that a matter of the train supplier not meeting agreed contractual levels of availability rather than there not being theoretical capacity in the fleet to provide units for Cardiff to Penzance? Effectively bringing in more stock is letting the train supplier off the hook?
That is a reasonable point.Who's to say hitachi aren't footing the bill for the additional stock?
The 80x were spare from not running Paddington to Bedwyn and Bristol fasts.however the 80x were not intended for the route so I wonder if they had enough without those issues to run the service with 80x.
Okay, so what stock in storage right now could this theoretically cover? The suggestion of 165s from Chiltern above presumably wouldn't do as they're not available either.
I don’t have an answer as to what it could be, but that’s irrelevant. As a driver at Mach depot, TFW’s 158’s could be staying with them a fair while yet, there’s still no sign of us being trained on 197’s and they’ve not even finished testing and route clearing them on the Cambrian yet.The contributor on WNXX says the operator that will release the extra 6 or so 2/3-car units must receive replacement stock first.