December 2024 timetable change

[Lg_]

04:57 MAN-GLC, not showing in RTT for TPE.

Also rumours of another 802 diagram on the WCML to allow 397's to go for overhaul.

 

[JonathanH]

04:57 MAN-GLC, not showing in RTT for TPE.

Early and late trains are often the ones that take a while to appear. If the 04:57 is removed, you would expect to see an ECS working into Glasgow Central in its place to form the service which runs south shortly after 9am.

 

[Peter0124]

04:57 MAN-GLC, not showing in RTT for TPE.

Also rumours of another 802 diagram on the WCML to allow 397's to go for overhaul.

Realtime Trains | 1S30 0457 Manchester Piccadilly to Glasgow Central | 16/12/2024

Real-time train running information for 1S30 0457 departure from Manchester Piccadilly to Glasgow Central on 16/12/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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It's showing for me

 

[A S Leib]

The 04:25 TPE from Newcastle to Liverpool will be leaving at 04:21, giving Chester-le-Street a southbound service 45 minutes earlier than the current earliest. Still no northbound service until 07:13 though, and no changes to last trains.

 

[Lg_]

Realtime Trains | 1S30 0457 Manchester Piccadilly to Glasgow Central | 16/12/2024

Real-time train running information for 1S30 0457 departure from Manchester Piccadilly to Glasgow Central on 16/12/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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It's showing for me

I stand corrected, only seems to be showing on Monday's currently though, rest of the week it doesn't appear to pass through PRE at 0530.

Realtime Trains | Departures from Preston around 0530 on 17/12/2024

Train information at Preston around 0530 on 17/12/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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[CAF397]

My internal contact suggests this is the allocation:

7x 802 on NCL - LIV
3x 802 on LIV - HUL
2x 802 on NCL - EDB
1x 802 on WCML
1x 802 on SCA-MCV

NCL - Newcastle
LIV - Liverpool
HUL - Hull
EDB - Edinburgh
MCV - Manchester Victoria
SCA - Scarborough
WCML - West Coast Mainline Anglo Scot service

The freed up 185s from the Hull Route strengthen some more South Route services to 6 cars from what I've been told. Also only one 3 car out on Redcar seservices.

That's 14 out of 19 (or 15 if an additional WCML diagram). Are they expecting further 802s in traffic at some point?

 

[sjm77]

Do the changes to the TPEx stopping patterns mean that there will only be one train every two hours (provided by LNER) connecting Northallerton with Darlington?

 

[A S Leib]

Do the changes to the TPEx stopping patterns mean that there will only be one train every two hours (provided by LNER) connecting Northallerton with Darlington?

From RTT, roughly two-hourly until 14:55, hourly until 18:55 and inconsistent after that. Only LNER between 08:55 and 20:39 on weekdays northbound; some TPEs earlier and later.

 

[childwallblues]

Good news that the Liverpool to Hull services are coming back with some worked by 802s.

 

[tram21]

Anyone know if EMR have any changes planned? And are there any changes on RTT?

 

[43055]

Anyone know if EMR have any changes planned? And are there any changes on RTT?

EMR is not in yet. Hoping for the missing North Staffs services to be reinstated (again).

 

[lincman]

- Including nothing showing up for Grimsby; a test train ran last June (2023), but I don't know if there's any updates since. No sign of Grand Central services at Seaham either.

- CrossCountry's in RTT as well. The only change I've noticed so far is the 06:03 Birmingham New Street to Bournemouth going.

- Nothing for Eurostar in RTT yet; is the target still January for restoring direct services from Amsterdam?

- Will the current placeholder paths (~xx:15 and xx:45 departures from Newcastle) be the same for Northumberland line services?

I cannot see the addition of Grimsby will improve the service via Lincoln, and will anything be done to deal with the excessive stand time at Lincoln. Could we see a 0927 departure from Lincoln to London and a later departure than the 1906 on the return from Kings Cross.

 

[thealexweb]

04:57 MAN-GLC, not showing in RTT for TPE.

Also rumours of another 802 diagram on the WCML to allow 397's to go for overhaul.

Slightly frustrating passes through the open Bolton station without stopping. Station is open for the first Northern stopper at ~05:20.
Being able to get to Scotland around 8am would be amazing.

 

[Blindtraveler]

With apologies to the presumably generally very small Bolton to Scotland market, but tpe long distance trains should not be calling it Bolton, it's unfair for those going all the way to Scotland to be deprived of a seat because thousands and thousands and thousands of Bolton commuters have all crammed onto the same train. First stop Preston is quite fine enough if you must travel to Manchester at all or indeed travel with tpe at all

 

[ChrisC]

EMR is not in yet. Hoping for the missing North Staffs services to be reinstated (again).

Also hoping that the 0851 departure from Liverpool Lime Street to Norwich will also be restored on Saturdays.

 

[JonathanH]

With apologies to the presumably generally very small Bolton to Scotland market, but tpe long distance trains should not be calling it Bolton, it's unfair for those going all the way to Scotland to be deprived of a seat because thousands and thousands and thousands of Bolton commuters have all crammed onto the same train. First stop Preston is quite fine enough if you must travel to Manchester at all or indeed travel with tpe at all

The stop at Bolton is pick up / set down to address your concern, but some go through non stop.

 

[thealexweb]

With apologies to the presumably generally very small Bolton to Scotland market, but tpe long distance trains should not be calling it Bolton, it's unfair for those going all the way to Scotland to be deprived of a seat because thousands and thousands and thousands of Bolton commuters have all crammed onto the same train. First stop Preston is quite fine enough if you must travel to Manchester at all or indeed travel with tpe at all

That is separate argument regarding commuters on TPE.

All existing off-peak Bolton-Scotland except this one pick up at Bolton.

 

[OrangeJuice]

That is separate argument regarding commuters on TPE.

All existing off-peak Bolton-Scotland except this one pick up at Bolton.

Could that be more to allow diversion via Wigan early morning without having to organise a bus from Bolton?

 

[Class 466]

That's 14 out of 19 (or 15 if an additional WCML diagram). Are they expecting further 802s in traffic at some point?

There isn't an additional West Coast Mainline diagram, just the same one. One additional diagram on the Edinburgh to Newcastle service will come about when the timetable recast happens

 

[ThameslinkUser]

For some reason these are the only Southern services showing up on RTT past December:

2010 East Croydon to Watford Junction

1928 Brighton to West Worthing
2019 West Worthing to Brighton

Good grief! They really do have a stock shortage, don't they?

 

[dk1]

Also hoping that the 0851 departure from Liverpool Lime Street to Norwich will also be restored on Saturdays.

The gaping hole is the 12:51 east of Nottingham weekdays.

 

[CAF397]

There isn't an additional West Coast Mainline diagram, just the same one. One additional diagram on the Edinburgh to Newcastle service will come about when the timetable recast happens

Thanks. Was referring to post #61 (though like anything on this forum is just speculation).

5 802s not being used is a large % of the fleet. I can understand 2 or 3 being stood down for maintenence/mods.

Can only hope more will be put on the Hull route. It needs 6 diagrams, so only half are 802s.

 

[Lg_]

There isn't an additional West Coast Mainline diagram, just the same one. One additional diagram on the Edinburgh to Newcastle service will come about when the timetable recast happens

I’m led to believe that 397’s are going to be taken out 1 at a time for refurb and that an 802 will cover the work in the meantime.

 

[800001]

I’m led to believe that 397’s are going to be taken out 1 at a time for refurb and that an 802 will cover the work in the meantime.

Worth remembering TPE currently only have 18 x 802 available for traffic.

802207 (Heaton derailment) is still with Hitachi as part of the trial on battery use, although I think this should finally be back with TPE before December timetable change.

 

[Lg_]

Slightly frustrating passes through the open Bolton station without stopping. Station is open for the first Northern stopper at ~05:20.
Being able to get to Scotland around 8am would be amazing.

Whilst this is currently shown as pathed via Bolton I expect that it will actually run via Chat Moss as the current service does.

 

[OliverH68]

Northern is now upstream.

 

[thealexweb]

All the Manchester-Manchester Airports now say timed as 323 for the first time.

 

[Peter0124]

Is it just me who has been refreshing RTT about 10 times a day waiting for Avanti to come up?

All the Manchester-Manchester Airports now say timed as 323 for the first time.

Hopefully 331s will still be used on Preston-Manchester as I'm not a fan of the 323s (the 3+2 seating specifically)

 

[A S Leib]

Ashington's mostly half-hourly (xx:00 and xx:30 departures, xx:24 and xx:54 arrivals) but with some gaps, e.g. no 07:00 or 10:30 southbound departures. Unless they've just been omitted for now for some reason?

 

[thealexweb]

Is it just me who has been refreshing RTT about 10 times a day waiting for Avanti to come up?


Hopefully 331s will still be used on Preston-Manchester as I'm not a fan of the 323s (the 3+2 seating specifically)

Northern has long since confirmed that 323 will the default north west EMU traction. Most, if not all, Blackpool-Manchester’s will be double 323. Sorry.