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Edvid

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Limited stop route 701 will operate between Maidstone and Bluewater every day between 1 and 31 August. There are no stops between Bluewater and the petrol station in Ringlestone - the suburb, not the hamlet - so if you like the 700 for its use of the motorway-in-all-but-name A2*, you'll love the 701 for its use of that and the M2 as far as J3.

We are excited to announce we will be running an August Summer special service from Maidstone Town Centre direct to Bluewater shopping centre. This service will mean those willing to travel to Bluewater will not have to worry about two buses (101 / 700), instead they can just hop on a Service 701.

The service will be every 30 minutes with the last bus back from Bluewater being 7.15pm (Mon-Sat) and 5.10pm (Sunday).

Don’t forget – you can get any single ticket for just £2!

We cannot wait to welcome you on board!
[* Four-lane NSL dual carriageway with hard shoulders without motorway regulations, so one could legally walk or cycle on it. Though I suspect very few people would want to!]
 
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Anyone got any experience of Arriva Kent, either Tunbridge Wells or Maidstone? In terms of working there?

Tunbridge Wells always seems to be looking for drivers
 

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Not long until they lose the Fastrack now to Go-ahead?

Well, they gave it up.
 

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So how many e400s is that that we've gained here at Medway? They will be welcome as something that comes loud and proud on every single customer feedback session locally is that we need more deckers. Could be to do with the two pounds fare scheme or simply people not wanting to drive. But even since I moved here 18 months ago, bus patronage does seem to be up and we have an awful lot of undersized Street lites battling hard to cope
 

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So how many e400s is that that we've gained here at Medway? They will be welcome as something that comes loud and proud on every single customer feedback session locally is that we need more deckers. Could be to do with the two pounds fare scheme or simply people not wanting to drive. But even since I moved here 18 months ago, bus patronage does seem to be up and we have an awful lot of undersized Street lites battling hard to cope
It is likely that any E400s arriving at Gillingham, assuming they stay, will be direct replacements for the increasingly life-expired Volvo B7TLs, rather than an increase in the double-deck fleet in general.
 

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Well, I certainly can't deny that most of the Volvos are knackered



I've never actually used this service so no idea on its reliability
What is it using vehicle wise and will Kent retain these post transfer? I wonder
Fastrack uses 17 E200MMCs dating from 2017 and 7 Wright Streetlites dating from 2015.
Local information is that Go-Ahead will use its own Mercedes-Benz Citaros displaced from TfL work until the Irizar electrics can be placed in service.
 

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Thought I’d bump this ..
I might be wrong, but I think you may have asked this question before?

 

duncombec

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Sadly no one seems to have much info.
Why don't you travel to the area in question and speak to the drivers who are currently working there? Tunbridge Wells mostly work the town services, 6 and 402, with a small amount of work on the 7, whilst Maidstone work the locals there and a larger portion of the 7.

It shouldn't be difficult to strike up "I'm a driver too" conversations at route ends.
 

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This evening I saw a 51 plate Volvo B7TL Wright Eclipse Gemini running on the 7 - the bus seems to work full days much of the time. Is this the oldest double decker in regular service with a large group?
 

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This evening I saw a 51 plate Volvo B7TL Wright Eclipse Gemini running on the 7 - the bus seems to work full days much of the time. Is this the oldest double decker in regular service with a large group?
National Express West Midlands still have a Y-plate ALX400, but with the withdrawal of Luton's 5425, I'd say that's the oldest bus in service in the Arriva group. Passing twenty years in service is a big achievement!
 

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I was in Kent last week and took a return trip Chatham - Maidstone on the 101 with its new 400 MMCs.

What do the Input 3 and Input 1 announcements mean, and why don't the information screens show something useful rather than IT-type gibberish?
 

duncombec

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The vehicles entered service somewhat earlier than expected, to allow cascades to happen elsewhere*, and there wasn't time to configure the screens/announcements before entering service, whilst also having to (re)train drivers on mirrored vehicles.

I can't remember which way around they are, but one "input" should become bus stopping, and the other "service number to destination".

* Six vehicles entered service almost immediately mid-transfer to cover Merseyrail rail replacement earlier in October, whilst the whole batch is now with Arriva North East.

Incidentally, if anyone in the North East has kept records of first date into service of the transferred vehicles (and/or their allocations - preferably personal sightings rather than bustimes, which we can access here as well), the local enthusiast society would much appreciate them for our records.
 

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What do the Input 3 and Input 1 announcements mean, and why don't the information screens show something useful rather than IT-type gibberish?
Input 1 is for the doors opening and input 2 and 3 are for the bells.

I was also on one of the new 74 plates earlier this month with the same technical faults. I'd assume they've been fixed by now because they are really annoying.
 

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Thanks LUYMun. They hadn't been fixed by 23/10 when I travelled. I didn't hear Input 2 at all.
Input 1 is for the doors opening and input 2 and 3 are for the bells.

I was also on one of the new 74 plates earlier this month with the same technical faults. I'd assume they've been fixed by now because they are really annoying.
 

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The 701 is back for the Christmas season. (Timetable link)

We are excited to announce the return of our popular 701 service from Maidstone Town Centre direct to Bluewater shopping centre just in time for the festive period (see timetable below for days of operation). This service will mean those willing to travel to Bluewater will not have to worry about two buses (101 / 700), instead they can just hop on a Service 701.

The service will run to the same timetable as when it operated back in the summer, with the last bus back from Bluewater being 7.15pm (Mon-Sat) and 5.10pm (Sunday).

We cannot wait to welcome you on board!

Will run on weekends (1 December - 4 January) and weekdays (23 December - 3 January), excluding Christmas / Boxing / New Year's Day.
 

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That should be made a permanent service, even more so given it's an express route bypassing Gravesend. When I went on the 701 earlier in the year, it was well loaded even for a Thursday.
 
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Even if it was only every hour or couple of hours during the week with a frequency boost at weekends, I would agree with that
There's a lot of anger on local social media in Medway at the moment about bus reliability. Increased traffic with thanks to the frequent holdups and closures of the M2 are partly responsible, but some of the threads have been getting rather nasty to say the least. And I feel sorry for all the drivers and other staff that frequent those groups
 

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Even if it was only every hour or couple of hours during the week with a frequency boost at weekends, I would agree with that
There's a lot of anger on local social media in Medway at the moment about bus reliability. Increased traffic with thanks to the frequent holdups and closures of the M2 are partly responsible, but some of the threads have been getting rather nasty to say the least. And I feel sorry for all the drivers and other staff that frequent those groups
The issue is that Gillingham Depot are really poor at communicating issues to the public. Tunbridge Wells do this really well via social media and the Arriva app. That’s why people are getting annoyed in the unofficial Facebook groups. People are not aware, unless they are part of these unofficial groups, of disruption which most of the time is out of Arriva’s hands.
 

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I've just stepped off a 166 driven by a manager filling in for someone who was late off a previous duty due to strong winds on the more exposed roads and they said that staff at Gillingham have no access to social media of any kind and whilst they used to have it it was taken away with no reason given other than customer services and social media was now centralised. I don't know if this is correct, especially if TW are communicating via it, but given the obsession of a lot of the big bus companies now of centralising such functions, I wouldn't be surprised if it was the case
 

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There's a lot of anger on local social media in Medway at the moment about bus reliability. Increased traffic with thanks to the frequent holdups and closures of the M2 are partly responsible [...]
I believe pretty much all West Kent operators are struggling slightly (again) at the moment, owing to the temptation of working for Go-Ahead on Fasttrack routes. There have also been an inordinate number of road closures ("emergency" or otherwise) recently.

The issue is that Gillingham Depot are really poor at communicating issues to the public. Tunbridge Wells do this really well via social media and the Arriva app. [...]
[...] they said that staff at Gillingham have no access to social media of any kind and whilst they used to have it it was taken away with no reason given other than customer services and social media was now centralised. I don't know if this is correct, especially if TW are communicating via it, but given the obsession of a lot of the big bus companies now of centralising such functions, I wouldn't be surprised if it was the case
I think there are two issues being slightly conflated here. It's long been my understanding (dating back to since the introduction of the new website) that nobody "local" has access to the website or social media channels, except perhaps unofficially, and in many cases, the messages passed out are simply copy-and-paste from internal systems, if the duty inspectors have time to send them to the central team. There have certainly been occasions where even relatively official looking communications sound like they've been dictated over the phone to a driver ("down here, up there, round the roundabout...").

Tunbridge Wells and Northfleet are, to the best of my knowledge, managed entirely from the garage: at least there isn't a roving inspector at, say, Gravesend or Tonbridge Station. Maidstone does move the duty inspector to the bus station in the off-peak (non run-out/in) hours, but they are often in their office at the south end of the bus station (driver's rest room), so staff see them, rather than they seeing staff. This means they are basically invisible to the public, unless you happen to know the lost property office is where they hide out!

Gillingham, by contrast, for all its faults, has the duty inspector at Chatham Bus Station during the day, and they are usually "mobile" - in the bus station, in a high-vis jacket, with a clipboard. That may make it more frustrating for drivers to find them, but they are also findable by members of the public. That does tend to mean they aren't sitting at a desk typing messages half the travelling public won't/can't read anyway, but will answer (well, most of them) if you have a question in person - and can see which queues are longest if they need to swap a bus out.
Drivers may not always be the most helpful (especially if approached 'with attitude', but I must say, after an incident which closed part of the bus station on Monday afternoon leading to services having to pick up "wherever", I saw half a dozen drivers answer queries from passengers to the best of their knowledge whilst the inspector was left to manage what he could of the situation.


Also, on different matters, Arriva Click Ebbsfleet withdrawn from the end of December (which is what I came here to post to start with... yes, I know it's officially Thamesside, but there is now more AKT in Essex than Kent!): https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/demand-responsive-transport.205430/page-15#post-7074254
 

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Gillingham, by contrast, for all its faults, has the duty inspector at Chatham Bus Station during the day, and they are usually "mobile" - in the bus station, in a high-vis jacket, with a clipboard. That may make it more frustrating for drivers to find them, but they are also findable by members of the public. That does tend to mean they aren't sitting at a desk typing messages half the travelling public won't/can't read anyway, but will answer (well, most of them) if you have a question in person - and can see which queues are longest if they need to swap a bus out.
Drivers may not always be the most helpful (especially if approached 'with attitude', but I must say, after an incident which closed part of the bus station on Monday afternoon leading to services having to pick up "wherever", I saw half a dozen drivers answer queries from passengers to the best of their knowledge whilst the inspector was left to manage what he could of the situation.
You are right and the different people in the inspector role are lovely and do a great job but of course that is only helpful if you are at Chatham Bus Station. Although most people’s journeys cover a transfer or end at the bus station, for the rest of the people they have no way of tracking journeys. This is where Gillingham need to do better - the unofficial Facebook groups ran by volunteers and drivers is useful but again not everyone is part of it.

Of course those in the know use the bustimes website as the Arriva app is actively discouraged except for ticketing in these areas. I know for example that if the 16:44(ish) 116 service from Hempstead Valley is delayed by more than 20 minutes there is a very good chance that that bus (and the subsequent and final 100 - both of which are my buses are home) is cancelled.

Ultimately this is where Medway Council and Arriva need to work better together but I suppose this will have to wait until if and when franchising reaches this area.

For what it’s worth, if any Arriva Gillingham drivers are on here, you do a great job in the awful environment of endless roadworks and never ending delays!
 

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Doesn't look to be too drastic although the return of the bus station terminus of the 101 is certainly for me at least welcome, that said, it's not going to do anything for its reliability A few frequency redactions though on Saturdays
 

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This was published a while back but hadn’t caught my attention until now: https://www.arrivabus.co.uk/latest-news/northfleet-service-changes-june-2025

Northfleet changes June 2025​

From 1 June 2025
From the 1 June 2025 we will be making the following changes:
Service 190 – Timetable changes including changes to Sat frequency and school holiday frequency
Service 414 – Revised afternoon school day peak service & the withdrawal of last departure from Dartford on Saturday.

Service 477 – Dartford to Bluewater section to cease, and Orpington to Orpington Station section to cease
Service 480 – Sat Frequency to change to every 15 mins. Sun frequency to change to every 20 mins. School holiday frequency to be every 15 mins aligned to Saturdays.
Service 481- Removal of the evening service.
Service 482 – Some evening journeys to cease
Service 483 – Sun frequency to reduce to every 60mins. Service to be withdrawn from Morrisons (and Ebbsfleet). Service to be rerouted via Springhead Park and Ebbsfleet Green.
Service 489 – Service to cease
Service 490/491 – Additional evening journeys on 491. Sun frequency to change to every 20 mins. Non-School frequency to change to every 15 mins in line with Sat frequency.
Service 497 – Service to cease
New timetables to follow
 

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