In the early 1970s when English local government structures were radically revised, there was an attempt to redraw boundaries to create a Greater Manchester County based on its economic/geographical hinterland to incorporate neighbouring areas of Cheshire, Lancashire and Yorkshire. In some places, particularly in North-Eastern Cheshire, there was great resistance to these changes, and successful lobbying led to the exclusion of Alderley Edge, Wilmslow, Handforth, Poynton and Disley from the Greater Manchester County created in 1974.
Fun fact. If you go back to the legalisation from 1969 that created the SELNEC PTE the Borough of Glossop and Disley were both included in it's remit. And probably some other areas not in Greater Manchester too.
Can anyone confirm that at this moment in time, whether TfGM issued ENCTS passes upon which the annual £10.00 surcharge for tram and train free travel are valid for such free rail travel to Disley. I assumed that Middlewood was the furthest station from Manchester where such validity existed.
SELNEC was created in 1969, pre-dating the formation of Greater Manchester County. When the latter was set up, the GMPTE boundaries were revised to be essentially co-terminus with it, in particular by incorporation of the Wigan area that had not been included within SELNEC.
Disley is considered outwith the TfGM area for rail travel, but adult (16+) travelcards (day/season) are valid on buses as far as New Mills and Hayfield.
Middlewood station is within Greater Manchester. According to maps on the Stockport council website, and similarly shown on the Ordnance Survey map of the area, the county boundary is to the south of the platforms.
There are a wide range, but people don't really want ranger and rover type day tickets, or formal cards you have to apply for. They want a reasonable automatic capping system for using different modes.
Yesterday, the Saturday Stalybridge - Stockport return shuttle was cancelled.
Pedantry but Derby was effectively a unitary from 1889 to 1974 as it was a county Borough separate from Derbyshire County Council.
These point to point by on the day multimodal fares already exist.
1) Not available using an easy contactless based system - some of them are hard to get hold of on a bus too, due to poor driver fares knowledge (understandable given how rarely some of the former System One/now Bee Network Any ticket series are issued)
I'm guessing you don't live in Derbyshire. Matlock is remote enough as it is from the north of Derbyshire, Derby might as well be a different country. The economy and most everything else in the north of Derbyshire is intimately entwined with the cities that surround it - Manchester, Halifax, Leeds, Sheffield and so on. Derby by rail transport is 3 hours and 3 trains run by 3 different TOCs away - oh, and you have to go via Manchester or Sheffield.
Misunderstanding/poor phrasing - you are making the same point I was attempting.
Wigan is in 2 counties the metropolitan county of greater Manchester and the historic county of Lancashire both still exist. Same for Warrington, Bury, Bolton, Rochdale and even half of Todmordon is
Did you think it might be Fianna Fail?
I think you are trying to convince someone with a completely fallaceous belief in their understanding of the city of Manchester against the aggregation of the ten local authorities that make up the entity known as Greater Manchester..
There’s a reason when you do a search of all the greater Manchester towns including Warrington above the Mersey they all state they are within the historic county of Lancashire
The phrase "Greater Manchester towns including Warrington" confuses me not a little.
Warrington is not Manchester or Greater Manchester, whatever definition you choose.
The Welwyn Viaduct is a massive bottleneck and there have been repeated calls for the closure of Welwyn North station to alleviate the problem. The GNR took the easy option by extending the Hertford branch to Langley Junction - these were effectively the ECML slow lines as coal trains didn’t mind how they got to London. It is, however, a very short section where flighting of fast services doesn’t affect passengers that much - very different from the WCML north of Preston/ ECML north of Peterborough /GWML west of Didcot, where the problem of stopping trains getting in the way of intercity services has been solved by closing all/most of the stations that would require a true “stopping service”.
R/e boundaries - Think it means they aren't putting Warrington inside Greater Manchester, but meaning Greater Manchester towns plus Warrington. Example - Adlington is in Lancashire but is covered by the Greater Manchester bus travelcards - here's a map showing that and other destinations outside GM that are covered;
tfgm.com
Doesn't look to be a problem if you look at the way the bus goes. The 125 goes to Horwich but uses the A673 so would be outside the zone until it gets to the edge of Horwich.
As you allude to, there are some parts of the Greater Manchester bus boundary well outside in the south-east of the region, I imagine many in and around Wilmslow or Glossop do, indeed, use GM passes yet don't enter the county at all!
For the record (as I didn't specify), in my reply I was referring to the black area on the map which is the GM county area. The pink area is the area outside Greater Manchester which is in the wider zone which adult tickets can be used in.
The Manchester Wayfarer's rail validity extends to Grindleford, only 2 miles away from the Sheffield boundary, 2/3 of the way through Totley Tunnel! On buses it can get you as far as Crich and Ashbourne.
