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TheSmiths82

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12192 expired on the 374 on Saturday on Chatsworth Road, Hazel Grove, Stockport at about 9.35 am. Mechanic arrived but although the engine was running there was no 'drive'. Sounds expensive. Finally towed away at about 12.30 pm. If they are short of vehicles, this won't help!

According to Bustimes it is has been in service on Tuesday so probably was a simple fix :). If it was the gearbox I wonder if they have spares so they can just swap them in and then repair the faulty box at another time?
 

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A matter fleet-related, is that of the Metroline refusal to accept certain new buses which have had to be sent back for alterations to the builders of these buses. Would such a matter be in the tender acceptance when the awards for the Bee Network tranche 3 were announced and whose responsibility is it for ensuring all new-build fleet buses that were ordered do fully conform to the laid-down building specification?
 

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A matter fleet-related, is that of the Metroline refusal to accept certain new buses which have had to be sent back for alterations to the builders of these buses. Would such a matter be in the tender acceptance when the awards for the Bee Network tranche 3 were announced and whose responsibility is it for ensuring all new-build fleet buses that were ordered do fully conform to the laid-down building specification?
Simply - the owner would be responsible for ensuring the builder has complied with the spec. This may or may not be delegated to the contracted operator. The operator needs to ensure the vehicles are compliant with its legal and contractual requirements.
 

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I'm guessing gnw 6159 is in for repaint like 6158 was, but has it had any other fault because its not been in service since November
 

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400MMC 10423 looks to have moved over to Stockport from Queens Road. Presumably because 11526 has returned from crash repair.

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Are their still plans for the remaining B5LHs at Queens Road to transfer to Oldham with the upcoming timetable changes?
There are plans for a swap of some kind. TFGM aren’t happy with the ones at Queens being on Free Bus in their current rather tatty state.
 

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400MMC 10423 looks to have moved over to Stockport from Queens Road. Presumably because 11526 has returned from crash repair.

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There are plans for a swap of some kind. TFGM aren’t happy with the ones at Queens being on Free Bus in their current rather tatty state.
Im not surprised I think some of Oldhams MMCs will get swapped for them if TfGM are wanting Bee Network liveried vehicles on them.
 

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400MMC 10423 looks to have moved over to Stockport from Queens Road. Presumably because 11526 has returned from crash repair.
10423/24/29 only went on loan to Queens because there was a backlog of MOT’s that Stockport were doing for Queens.
I know for a fact like every depot Stockport are struggling for vehicles so guessing with 11526 back they have asked for 10423 back.
 

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Hello new to this forum. Does anyone know why we have solo mini busses on the 603/604 routes? They feel like such a downgrade to a normal single decker
 

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Hello new to this forum. Does anyone know why we have solo mini busses on the 603/604 routes? They feel like such a downgrade to a normal single decker
Well I know 2 ex Queens Road E400s went for refurb, not sure if they are back yet but they usually work 603/4 routes
 

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Some of the school allocations since January are ridiculous. A Diamond short Enviro 200MMC (28 seats) running this morning on a route that was a Bullocks double decker before Christmas. Needless to say there was a standing load after a few stops. It seems a strange way to attract the next generation onto buses.
 

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Some of the school allocations since January are ridiculous. A Diamond short Enviro 200MMC (28 seats) running this morning on a route that was a Bullocks double decker before Christmas. Needless to say there was a standing load after a few stops. It seems a strange way to attract the next generation onto buses.

I wonder if not all drivers were bothering to record passengers with bus passes which made it look like a bus service was much quieter than it is actually is?
 

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The vehicle Merry-Go-Round at Stagecoach seems to be continuing as MMC400 10430 has today been operating out of Middleton Depot not to sure whether any more vehicles have transferred/gone on loan to Middleton Depot recently.
 

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Some of the school allocations since January are ridiculous. A Diamond short Enviro 200MMC (28 seats) running this morning on a route that was a Bullocks double decker before Christmas. Needless to say there was a standing load after a few stops. It seems a strange way to attract the next generation onto buses.
There been a lot complaints about this on Social Media, with the operators claiming that they are using the size of vehicles, which they are contracted to use by TfGM.
 

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The vehicle Merry-Go-Round at Stagecoach seems to be continuing as MMC400 10430 has today been operating out of Middleton Depot not to sure whether any more vehicles have transferred/gone on loan to Middleton Depot recently.
10406 was on loan from Little Hulton during the half term but has returned now
 
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The vehicle Merry-Go-Round at Stagecoach seems to be continuing as MMC400 10430 has today been operating out of Middleton Depot not to sure whether any more vehicles have transferred/gone on loan to Middleton Depot recently.
Middleton also appear to have 10608 on loan from Oldham and 36783 from Queens Road, they also had 11841 on loan from Queens Road last week but that has returned now.
 

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The vehicle Merry-Go-Round at Stagecoach seems to be continuing as MMC400 10430 has today been operating out of Middleton Depot not to sure whether any more vehicles have transferred/gone on loan to Middleton Depot recently.
A lot of the MMC’s have their MOT’s due at the same time so vehicles were being moved to Stockport who have the ability to clear them sooner. In the case of 10423/4/9 that went from Stockport to Queens Road, these although being used by Stockport were technically in reserve, I’d assume it’s the same for 10430.

It’s worth remembering that all depots are now run on a very tight VOR margin so buses will move around to make service.
 

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Does anybody know how the recent rewrite/service changes at Oldham Depot have affected vehicle output only I'm sure some services now have extra vehicles allocated to them now? For example my local services 181/182 on most duties now get up-to 30mins drop-back in Manchester so they will come in as 181 then drop back and do a 182 same with 182s they will arrive into Manchester then drop back to do a 181.
 

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Does anybody know how the recent rewrite/service changes at Oldham Depot have affected vehicle output only I'm sure some services now have extra vehicles allocated to them now? For example my local services 181/182 on most duties now get up-to 30mins drop-back in Manchester so they will come in as 181 then drop back and do a 182 same with 182s they will arrive into Manchester then drop back to do a 181.

Sounds about right. Not looked at the Oldham boards yet but the same as happened at Queens road. Worst effected services, 52/53/95/135 now get big drop backs to try and improve reliability. They don’t call it drop back time anymore it’s ‘recovery time’.
 

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Does anybody know how the recent rewrite/service changes at Oldham Depot have affected vehicle output only I'm sure some services now have extra vehicles allocated to them now? For example my local services 181/182 on most duties now get up-to 30mins drop-back in Manchester so they will come in as 181 then drop back and do a 182 same with 182s they will arrive into Manchester then drop back to do a 181.
Where do they layover in Manchester for such a length of time?
 

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Does anybody know how the recent rewrite/service changes at Oldham Depot have affected vehicle output only I'm sure some services now have extra vehicles allocated to them now? For example my local services 181/182 on most duties now get up-to 30mins drop-back in Manchester so they will come in as 181 then drop back and do a 182 same with 182s they will arrive into Manchester then drop back to do a 181.

Sounds about right. Not looked at the Oldham boards yet but the same as happened at Queens road. Worst effected services, 52/53/95/135 now get big drop backs to try and improve reliability. They don’t call it drop back time anymore it’s ‘recovery time’.
And in fairness, reliability on the 135 at least has improved vastly. Think the PVR on it is now 16 vehicles up from 14.
 

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And in fairness, reliability on the 135 at least has improved vastly. Think the PVR on it is now 16 vehicles up from 14.
It’s a lot better. 53’s and 95’s tend to be problem free now.
It’s the sad reality of franchising, the only way operators can avoid punctuality fines is to insist on lots of running time and recovery time.
 

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