Actual 377 and 387 Cascades (GN, SN, SE)

[Sutton in Ant]

387119 and 387121 moved over to Southern yesterday afternoon.

Slowly but surely. The electrostar cascade is taking place, and more to come in the next few months.

 

[stadler]

There has been quite a few more transfers so here is an up to date list as of today of which units have transferred:

SN to SE:
377 121
377 122
377 123
377 126
377 127
377 129
377 130

GN to SN:
387 119
387 121
387 123
387 126
387 127
387 128
387 129
387 301
387 302
387 305
387 306

The transfers definitely seem to be speeding up now so we should probably expect more in the coming days.

 

[444013]

387121 first day in service with Southern 26/05/2025 paired with 387223 started with 1W03 06:09 Brighton to Victoria...

 

[Class455]

377124 and 377128 moved to Southeastern over the weekend. This just leaves 377125 and 131-133 to move over to Southeastern.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

Oh look, a Heathrow Express 387.



Or at least, you’d THINK it was!



(Not my photo / Image shows a brown 387112 at Cambridge)

That’s absolutely disgusting. I believe Great Northern are keeping 112? I hope it receives some TLC soon… that’s laughably bad.

 

[driverd]

Quick one for those who know (as I cannot remember) - which interior do 377121-133 have?

Fingers crossed Southern not giving away the good ones (2+2 throughout)!

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

Quick one for those who know (as I cannot remember) - which interior do 377121-133 have?

Fingers crossed Southern not giving away the good ones (2+2 throughout)!

This one throughout. The least popular one, according to most people on here. 377101-119 have the 2+2 throughout, with the sprung seats.

(Not my image / Image shows a Southern 377/1 interior (Connex walls) with 3+2 seating in the saloon space between the external doors and 2+2 seating with armrests in the space between external doors and internal gangway.)

 

[driverd]

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I believe you're one of the people who know, do correct me if I'm wrong but...

Could you give me the run down of which 377/1s have which fit out? (From the pic I'm assuming those transferring are the ones with 2+2 at the ends and 3+2 in the middle)?

Is that the highest density layout on the /1s or are there some that are 3+2 throughout?

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

I believe you're one of the people who know, do correct me if I'm wrong but...

Could you give me the run down of which 377/1s have which fit out? (From the pic I'm assuming those transferring are the ones with 2+2 at the ends and 3+2 in the middle)?

Is that the highest density layout on the /1s or are there some that are 3+2 throughout?

None are 3+2 throughout, but considering the section between external door and internal gangways is already quite small, PLUS the front and rear most sections are first class, they are definitely a higher density interior 377 than others in Southern's fleet.

377101-119 have Connex beige walls, deep blue skirting and circle shaped PIS screens, with 2+2 seating, armrests and full size tables throughout.

377120-139 have Connex beige walls, deep blue skirting and circle shaped PIS screens, with the high density layout as described above.

377140 + and 377/2 have Southern pale blue walls, silver skirting and more contemporary rectangle PIS screens, with 2+2 seating, armrests and full size tables in the driving cars and 3+2 seating with half tables and no armrests in the centre cars.

377/4 and 377/5 are the same as 377140+ and 377/2, except First Class also has saloon doors.

377/3 have Connex beige walls, deep blue skirting and circle shaped PIS screens, with 2+2 seating, armrests and half size tables throughout.

377/6 and 377/7 obviously have the second generation Fainsa 2+2 layout throughout which is almost identical to the later 387s from a passenger perspective, although there are some minor differences.

 

[stadler]

I believe there are some that are 3+2 in all four carriages while some are 2+2 in all four carriages and some are 2+2 in driving carriages and 3+2 in centre carriages.

I believe this is the current 375 and 377 arrangement:

• 2+2 in all coaches:
377/1 (101 to 119 only), 377/3, 375/3, 375/6, 375/7, 375/8,

• 3+2 in all coaches:
377/1 (120 to 139 only), 375/9,

• 2+2 in driving coaches and 3+2 in centre coaches:
377/1 (140 to 164 only), 377/2, 377/4, 377/5,

It is certainly the most confusing stock when it comes to different interiors and seating layouts.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

I believe there are some that are 3+2 in all four carriages

• 3+2 in all coaches:
377/1 (120 to 139 only)

Respectfully, this isn't correct. This is the case for the 375/9, but no 377 is entirely 3+2. 377120-139 have both 2+2 and 3+2 in all four carriages. The 3+2 is in the middle saloon section in between the two external doors. The outer sections have 2+2. For an example of what I mean see the image I attached in post 37

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(Not my image / Image shows a Southern 377/1 interior (Connex walls) with 3+2 seating in the saloon space between the external doors and 2+2 seating with armrests in the space between external doors and internal gangway.)

 

[driverd]

None are 3+2 throughout, but considering the section between external door and internal gangways is already quite small, PLUS the front and rear most sections are first class, they are definitely a higher density interior 377 than others in Southern's fleet.

377101-119 have Connex beige walls, deep blue skirting and circle shaped PIS screens, with 2+2 seating, armrests and full size tables throughout.

377120-139 have Connex beige walls, deep blue skirting and circle shaped PIS screens, with the high density layout as described above.

377140 + and 377/2 have Southern pale blue walls, silver skirting and more contemporary rectangle PIS screens, with 2+2 seating, armrests and full size tables in the driving cars and 3+2 seating with half tables and no armrests in the centre cars.

377/4 and 377/5 are the same as 377140+ and 377/2, except First Class also has saloon doors.

377/3 have Connex beige walls, deep blue skirting and circle shaped PIS screens, with 2+2 seating, armrests and half size tables throughout.

377/6 and 377/7 obviously have the second generation Fainsa 2+2 layout throughout which is almost identical to the later 387s from a passenger perspective, although there are some minor differences.

I believe there are some that are 3+2 in all four carriages while some are 2+2 in all four carriages and some are 2+2 in driving carriages and 3+2 in centre carriages.

I believe this is the current 375 and 377 arrangement:

• 2+2 in all coaches:
377/1 (101 to 119 only), 377/3, 375/3, 375/6, 375/7, 375/8,

• 3+2 in all coaches:
377/1 (120 to 139 only), 375/9,

• 2+2 in driving coaches and 3+2 in centre coaches:
377/1 (140 to 164 only), 377/2, 377/4, 377/5,

It is certainly the most confusing stock when it comes to different interiors and seating layouts.

This encyclopedic knowledge is impressive anyway! You both have a much better awareness of the stock than I do.

I do like the variability of the units, though. Reminds me of growing up in West Yorkshire, at the back end of ATN/early Northern. On the odd occasion the parents/grandparents took me for a train journey somewhere, you wouldn't have a clue what was going to turn up and it was all a very exciting lottery as a child!

Anyway, back on topic - good to hear they've not shipped off the nice ones! (Selfishly), more likely for me to get a decent unit on my trips down to southern land.