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Trips by Bus and Coach: Your reports

TheGrandWazoo

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New trip report!

Last Monday, I travelled across to see a friend of mine in Skegness from Chesterfield using only service buses.

Leg one: Stagecoach East Midlands - Pronto

Still sporting the Trentbarton-esque Pronto livery, 10979 was my chariot between Chesterfield and Nottingham. Running every 10 minutes between Nottingham and Mansfield, with half-hourly extensions to Chesterfield, the Pronto service connects places such as Winsick, Glapwell, Pleasley, Ravenshead and Daybrook. Arriving into Nottingham roughly 10 minutes late, I grabbed some breakfast and got some quick photos whilst I had time.

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Leg two: Central Connect - 93

The 93 had just been extended to Nottingham, originally running between Bingham and Grantham. It has also been upgraded to an hourly service.

I'll be honest, being crammed into a bread van for an hour-long journey isn't pleasant. I was the only passenger between Nottingham and Bottesford; and at an assumption, the only passenger sub-65 years old at all!

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Leg three: Stagecoach East Midlands - 1

A fairly straight shot upwards from Grantham towards Lincoln aboard ex-North East Trident2 19201. There's some lovely scenery between the two locations.
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Shown is Wellingore All Saints Church in, you guessed it, Wellingore!
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Leg four: Stagecoach East Midlands - 56

I didn't manage to get a photo of the vehicle, but Skegness' 11737 was my noble steed from Lincoln, through Horncastle and into Skegness. Being used to Stagecoach Yorkshire's next stop anoucements being a recorded voice, the text-to-speech announcements on board this vehicle seemed lower quality. Direct and clear however, so no complaints there.
Thanks for sharing - I imagine that Grantham to Lincoln service is pleasant but that the e400 is showing its age, having been hammered around the streets of Newcastle.

I really must get a trip to Lincolnshire in. A county I really don't know so thanks for the info.
As I reported earlier, last Wednesday I was in Yorkshire overnight and able to take a further trip for the morning. I had a route in mind to head for which I am sure I have been advised of some time ago, quite possibly by @TheGrandWazoo, but I can’t find any record of this on the forum. This tied in well with another couple of routes I had not previously done. So I started at the East Yorkshire depot in Elloughton on the way into Hull. A number of vehicles inside the depot, all looking pretty smart, mostly heading out on school services while my 55 to Hull, a Volvo B9TL, arrived from an earlier return trip to Hull. The 55 route operates west of Elloughton as far as Goole but there is no peak service from any of these villages towards Hull which seems quite a gap. The bus took us through Brough and a couple of smaller villages, then a business park alongside the A63 where some passengers alighted, and then headed into Hull. All was going well, indeed we were early, until we hit a very slow moving queue just before we got to Anlaby Road in Hull. Anlaby Road itself was OK as there is a bus lane all the way along but the other traffic was moving incredibly slowly. After the hospital the road ahead was closed so I alighted here to walk straight on into the city centre. Police had closed a number of roads with ambulances and fire trucks also in evidence and some places were even not accessible by foot, notably the junction of Anlaby Road and Ferensway, and I had to divert through the station forecourt and cross central flowerbeds in Ferensway, although there were no cars here. It was clear that buses from all directions were very badly delayed, our bus actually being least affected although it missed out all the town centre stops. I learned afterwards that a man had threatened to throw himself from a roof and the city was paralysed until mid morning. This was not looking good for my onward journey – I had researched what it did previously and it was already 25 minutes late. There was nothing I could do now though so I bought some breakfast and enjoyed a short wander round the city centre, devoid of cars and largely devoid of people too.

I arrived back at the Interchange in time for my next bus which was showing as ‘on time’, although I did not have a great deal of faith in this as I knew the planned bus was now about 45 minutes late heading to Hymers College. I was hoping that East Yorkshire would have someone ‘in control’ who would prioritise departures and swap buses round to maintain key services – classing my chosen one as key of course! It seems they did just that, as shortly after the scheduled arrival time a driver turned up at the stand and said that he had driven the inward journey, been relieved at the bus station, there was a problem with the bus as well as the traffic and another bus was on its way for him. A couple of minutes later he revised that to say that he had been given authority to take another bus from elsewhere in the bus station. Unfortunately this meant a single decker Volvo B8RLE MCV Evora for my next two journeys instead of the scheduled B9TL double decker but that was better than no bus at all!

So, about 10 minutes late, we departed the bus station on the 24 to Hornsea. I was right about key services, being a sunny day there were many people who wished to take the bus to the coast and we picked up in the city centre and at many stops heading out of town. Some were making local journeys, as the local services were in greater chaos, but many were taking a longer journey. We did not quite have standing passengers but a good load and we were still about 10 minutes late as we arrived at Hornsea. I have been to Hornsea before, previously I arrived from Withernsea and departed to Bridlington, spending all my time in the sea front area, this time I wanted to see the area around the market place and this worked well with the timetables. As my 24 would travel 10 minutes each way to the old depot before turning round and heading back as a 25 I knew I should have at least 20 minutes or so here. This gave me time to head over to close to Hornsea Mere and look around the quieter bits of the centre of town before moving on.

The same Volvo B8RLE, with the same driver, then retraced our steps virtually on time as far as Leven before heading out on the 25 to Beverley. It was market day in Beverley and this journey was also very busy, we did have standing passengers arriving into Beverley, slightly delayed by a level crossing. I have been to Beverley a couple of times before but I enjoyed a decent break here exploring some of the side streets and also visiting the famous Beverley Bar, in years gone by some East Yorkshire double deckers were especially bodied to fit through this – it has long since been bypassed by other roads and now shows a height limit of 9’9”!

From Beverley I was able to take the main route I had come here to travel. This only runs on Mondays, Wednesdays and Saturdays with one or two trips a day. Had I been an hour later coming up from Hull and Hornsea I would have missed it. This was the East Yorkshire 143 back to Elloughton, run exclusively by double deckers, on school days between school contracts but also on other days, as this is pretty much all that Elloughton depot has. Loading up we took on about 25 passengers, which was impressive for a market day service. We headed west out of Beverley through the pretty but clearly wealthy village of Walkington and then into the real East Yorkshire Wolds, turning north to go to the village of North Newbald. Very rural stuff, about 7 or 8 passengers alighted here and in the nearby and even smaller village of Hotham. Fabulous rolling scenery here. Then we turned south and joined up with the 55 route west of Elloughton, dropping off a number of passengers in North Cave and South Cave and one even at the prison between them. After South Cave we headed off the main 55 route to visit Ellerker and Brantingham, two other small pretty villages. No-one got off here but one passenger joined at Ellerker, where this route is the only bus service. Then we were back at Elloughton, where I alighted and headed home.

A slightly disjointed day with the disruption in Hull, but credit to East Yorkshire for making some decisions and keeping services running. Very easy to say ‘chaos in Hull, various services not running’, but the shoppers heading into Beverley would not have been impressed. And I strongly recommend visiting the 143 route, great Wolds scenery!

Some photos of the day:
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Hull

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Hull

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Hornsea Mere

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Hornsea

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Beverley, showing the Beverley Bar archway

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East Yorkshire wolds near North Newbald

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North Newbald

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South Cave

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Ellerker
It was me, I think, that recommended the 143 @RELL6L ;) I did it on a cold and clear day in December 1994 when you could see from the Wolds across to the power stations at Drax, Eggborough and Ferrybridge. As in those days, it was a market day service and used a decker from Elloughton depot (though it was a 1981 VR then).

It's a cracker of a route on a sunny day - in fact, EY has a good few lovely routes to enjoy. Not been on that operator for a few years but can't fit them all in!

ps Hull city centre is looking much better these days. I was there with work (c.2017) and it was much improved. Sadly, I then had to go up Hessle Road to see a potential customer...not so good.
 
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Thursday last week was MOT day for my trusty chariot, so I decided that it'd be nice to have a day out courtesy of Stagecoach. Drop-off time for the car was 11.30 and I set out around 10.30; travel time from home is only about 20 minutes, but I wanted to pay a visit to Harry Gow's for a coffee and a bacon roll beforehand.

Feeling a little less hungry, I dropped the car off and headed to the nearest bus stop. I had no real plan about where I wanted to go, but I was advised that I'd receive a call from the garage around 15.00. How could I do the maximum number of journeys within the time available and which ticket would be best? I opted for the Moray DayRider and the next bus was the Aberdeen-bound 35; I decided that I'd plan my next move while on the move.

The bus turned up and I hopped aboard. I do quite like the Enviro 400s (it's a bit of a novelty to travel on a decker these days) but it seems to me that they're missing a gear; they're fine for town, but not quite suited to country work. At that point I began looking at timetables - I knew that I wanted to sample one of the new Yutong electrics at some point through the day and tried to figure out how I could make it work. I thought that it would be a good idea to alight in Fochabers and use the time to grab a meal deal from the Co-op while I waited. My heart sank slightly when I realised that the M96 bypasses Fochabers!

Plan B! There was a 10 due and it'd get me to Keith in time to catch the M96 leaving just after 13.00, in theory... As it turned out, everything that was coming from Inverness was delayed at Nairn by around 40 minutes. The M96 service from Aberdeen that I had intended to catch back from Keith was showing as on time and I knew that there was no way I'd make it.

Plan C? The timetable said that I'd probably missed the next Aberdeen-bound M96, but if the delays were so severe there might be a chance of making it. So I decided to hoof it to Baxter's (of beetroot fame) where the service does stop. 10 minutes walk, I told myself... 20 minutes later, I arrived at the stop and the bus had disappeared from the Stagecoach app. Surely I couldn't have missed it? I'd have seen it go past. By then, the Inverness-bound bus that I had originally intended to catch from Keith was getting closer and I considered giving up and heading back to Elgin. Unfortunately, it appeared in the distance and I knew that there was no way I'd be able to cross the road and leg it down to the stop on the other side of the road in time. Eventually, the late runner turned up and I was on my way.

I have to say that I have mixed feelings about the Yutong TCe12. It was very smooth while accelerating and it made short work of the climbing lane coming out of Fochabers. The interior was nice enough and the air conditioning was absolutely spot on (it was a rather warm day). The seats were okay, although I wouldn't want to be any bigger. My main gripe was the transmission - these coaches are doing the full Inverness to Aberdeen run and I really wouldn't want to be doing an end-to-end journey. There's a high-pitched whine while it's under power and that could easily drive me mad; fortunately I was only doing a short hop. The other issue I had was with the automated announcements; I hate them with a passion but I understand why they're there but they really don't give enough warning when approaching a stop.

Anyhow, having arrived in Keith and in need of a comfort break, I was pleased to see that there are still facilities available at Reidhaven Square. I was also pleased to note that there was a 10 due from Aberdeen and it arrived bang on time. My return steed was one of the 2017 Elites that I've grown rather fond of and I wasn't disappointed to discover that the driver had a rather heavy right foot! Volvo 2, Yutong 1! Arrival back in Elgin was bang on time.

Next was a hurl "roon the toon" on X25HBS, an Enviro 200MMC. I'd never done the Elgin part of the 33A/C route before and I hadn't realised that it went round that many houses! My final journey of the day was on another Elite on the 10, on the way back to the garage to pick up the car that I was assured was ready (it actually failed the MOT and wasn't ready, but that's another story...).

All in all, it was a fairly enjoyable day. My biggest regret is not having a better plan to start with, although traffic delays would have buggered that up anyway. What is really frustrating is that late-running journeys disappear from the Stagecoach app once they're beyond the due time. When you're standing at a stop that has real-time information that says a bus is due and the app says something different, it just creates confusion.

Next time, methinks I'll go west with an Inverness Zone 4.
 
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Thanks for sharing - I imagine that Grantham to Lincoln service is pleasant but that the e400 is showing its age, having been hammered around the streets of Newcastle.

I really must get a trip to Lincolnshire in. A county I really don't know so thanks for the info.

It was me, I think, that recommended the 143 @RELL6L ;) I did it on a cold and clear day in December 1994 when you could see from the Wolds across to the power stations at Drax, Eggborough and Ferrybridge. As in those days, it was a market day service and used a decker from Elloughton depot (though it was a 1981 VR then).

It's a cracker of a route on a sunny day - in fact, EY has a good few lovely routes to enjoy. Not been on that operator for a few years but can't fit them all in!

ps Hull city centre is looking much better these days. I was there with work (c.2017) and it was much improved. Sadly, I then had to go up Hessle Road to see a potential customer...not so good.
Thank you, I thought it was you - good call. Still a cracking route and well used. I agree on central Hull, this is now a pretty decent place to look around.

Thanks @GusB for your report from the Elgin area. I would just love to have a sunny day exploring the towns and villages along the 35, as well as the route itself. Could spend a whole day doing just that...

Surprisingly I was able to take a third trip within eight days last Tuesday. This time I chose to visit Manchester for my first visit since the full implementation of the Bee Network. I started in Stagecoach territory using the park and ride at Hazel Grove, a free and useful but very underused facility, hopping straight onto a 192 for the short ride into Stockport. My bus was a modern ADL E400 City from the huge batch Stagecoach took last year. It was school holidays back home and I had assumed it would be in Manchester also, but it wasn’t and we started hitting traffic but I was early enough into Stockport that it wasn’t yet bad.

I have only been to Stockport once before and I knew that within the heart of the city centre was a decent area of narrow streets, few cars, shops and a market hall. After buying some breakfast I headed into this area in the early morning light and it is indeed very attractive, not what one would expect for a large metropolitan town. The market hall is charming but looks slightly fragile. Well worth a wander round here. My next leg was a marathon journey of 1hr 45 minutes for a journey which would take little over 15 minutes on the train. This was also with Stagecoach and was the 11 to Altrincham. My bus was a 12-plate ADL E400 and we started slowly, taking over 5 minutes to exit the bus station; the traffic lights were red for ages on the bus station exit but there was pretty much no other traffic either – what about some bus priority here? The route heads out through middle class areas such as Cheadle and Gatley before hitting Wythenshawe, where it winds all over the place around the town centre and hospital. There is a bus station in Wythenshawe town centre and another one at the hospital, plenty of Metroline vehicles around these parts, many still in Stagecoach colours with Bee Network stickers. The hospital bus station had notices warning that this was for buses only but even in the short time we paused there two cars arrived, stopped in the bus stop area, the drivers got out, new drivers got in and they drove away, clearly these were Metroline staff cars for driver changes. Most noticeable on the lengthy route 11 was how few passengers there were, most of ours took relatively short journeys while the ones we passed seemed to have very few passengers at least upstairs. Although the traffic in Stockport was heavy due to roadworks we had to wait time a few times as we were early and we arrived at Altrincham interchange 4 minutes ahead of time. I thought there were a notable number of buses running ‘Not in Service’ in this part of Greater Manchester – is that a feature of the distance between depots and routes or of the way the operators choose to run their services?

Altrincham is a more middle class town than Stockport but also has an attractive market hall, this one more substantially built, and some attractive streets in the town centre and I had time for a short stroll here, including to Goose Green, which those of us of a certain age remember as a location of military significance in the Falkland islands but here is a cobbled square with cafes. From Altrincham I took the Metroline 263, which largely parallels the Metrolink tram up through Sale to Stretford. There were a decent number of passengers all the way, either because it was cheaper or simply more convenient. I alighted briefly in Stretford but soon continued my journey into Manchester city centre on a Metroline 256, my bus being an ADE class ADL E400 EV. This was the first time I had been on one of these electric double deckers and it seemed pretty refined, not full of rattles and pretty smooth. We passed Old Trafford and the area of Hulme approaching the city centre close to Castlefield. I alighted here as one of my main plans was to visit parts of the canals around the Castlefield Basin area. Many years ago I passed through here in a boat but the change since then has been huge, the whole canalside area has been reinvigorated and it is now very attractive and popular for leisure including canalside pubs and cafes. I then walked up past the Peterloo Massacre memorial, the library and the town hall, although the town hall is annoyingly still wrapped in plastic. I passed through St Peters Square to the Piccadilly Gardens area from where I continued my journey.

The next leg was to Oldham on either the 83 or 84 with Stagecoach. The lack of places for buses to wait time while terminating in central Manchester affects the services here, as a bus late arriving will invariably mean it is late leaving. An 83 came first, this being an older 08-plate E400 in Stagecoach stripes. Although we left on time we were nearly 10 minutes late heading through Failsworth with more slow traffic due to a road closure in Oldham town centre. At Failsworth I noted a batch of double deckers in Bee Network yellow parked up in an area north of the main road – could these be the unloved Scanias? I am pretty sure they were. Several of the ex-Oxford Volvo B5LHs were working in the Oldham area and these looked pretty smart. I didn’t have long at Oldham as I was now heading for the highlight scenic journey of my day, the Diamond 356 out into the Pennines. For some reason all the Diamond routes had vanished from BusTimes although on the map the buses themselves still showed and I could see that my incoming vehicle, a Mellor Strata, was pretty much on time. We set off on time and headed off going round an estate on the east side of Sholver and then on to Denshaw. After Sholver this is real hilly Pennine country with the scenery to match and it was stunning on a sunny April day. Denshaw was lovely and then it was into Delph before more diversions and deviations and more cracking scenery around Uppermill and Saddleworth Moor. A great bit of the Pennines within Greater Manchester. The hourly 356 seems to be a route that knits together lots of uncommercial sections, visiting well-to-do Dobcross, a less glamorous estate in Diggle, a very narrow estate in Greenfield and another one in Mossley. I understand that there is a further deviation not currently covered because sometimes it is necessary to use E200s on the route and they cannot go that way, but I am not sure where this is. We were held up by a few road works and were a little late by the time I alighted in Mossley Market Place, this area being referred to as Top Mossley as opposed to the area by the railway station which is Bottom Mossley.

My next leg was another Diamond Bus and I could see this was running late from the map on BusTimes so I had a few minutes in Top Mossley. I had been here before one freezing early morning in December 2022, this time it was now quite warm with people enjoying the sunshine. In due course my bus arrived, another E200 on the Diamond 343 towards Hyde. This is another route sticking together some more uncommercial sections with a long loop around Brocklehurst before a double-run to Carrbrook and then to Stalybridge and the edge of Dukinfield. I had never been to Dukinfield before and I alighted here, walking to the very attractive town hall. Not much else in Dukinfield though and I then took the Stagecoach 330 to Hyde on an E400 MMC. The town hall at Hyde is good too but, being on the west side of the road, did not photograph as well at this time of day. I continued two buses later on a Wright Streetdeck, unusual buses for Stagecoach, on the 330 to Stockport. The first journey was pretty busy but the second one was quiet. We had been delayed slightly by roadworks in Dukinfield but were much more delayed by further roadworks on the approach to Stockport with the actual route, along Carrington Road, being closed. I alighted at the edge of the town centre and wandered back to the market hall area which was much busier in the early evening than it had been in the early morning. Heading back to the Mersey Square area I had just missed a 192 back to Hazel Grove but a High Peak Citaro on the 199 to Buxton appeared, running around half an hour late, so I took this back to Hazel Grove to grab my car and head home.

Thoughts on the Bee Network? Well, some of the routes are very frequent and I am not sure there are enough passengers for them all, while several less frequent routes, eg the 356 and 343, had plenty of custom. A bit more bus priority would be helpful, in some places the traffic lights seemed timed to help the cars get through but not the slower buses. And the roadworks – for goodness sake get a grip on the roadworks and the companies given free rein to dig up roads where and when they like! I didn’t see much of Go North West in the phase 1 area, Stagecoach in phase 2 and Stockport are getting there with most buses in yellow, while phase 3 Metroline still have some way to go with lots of buses still in Stagecoach colours, although of course they have been going for a much shorter time.

Scenically, Central Manchester by the canal is great on a sunny day, Stockport and Altrincham have great town centres and the Saddleworth area of Tameside is glorious in good weather. A most enjoyable day.

A selection of photos from the day:
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Altrincham market hall

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Altrincham Goose Green

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Canalside in Manchester near Castlefield

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Manchester library

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Pennines, near Denshaw

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Saddleworth, near Mossley

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Dukinfield town hall

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Stockport, a back street

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Stockport market hall
 

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@RELL6L I had a few days in Manchester last September and endured the number 11 between Altrincham and Stockport. I’d been walking around the National Trust Gardens and Parkland at Dunham Massey just to the west of Altrincham and arrived at the Interchange, saw a bus just about to depart for Stockport, and got on it. I hadn’t realised it was such an indirect route and I was so bored by the time I‘d been around almost every housing estate in Wythenshawe. If only I hadn’t made such a spur of the moment decision I would have realised there there were quicker options. I also had a good explore of those interesting old streets up the hill in the older part of Stockport. I found the area quite fascinating and also had a very good pizza in a restaurant on that street in your photo just under the bridge.

I really like the area around Uppermill and Saddleworth Moor. It’s an area that I explored years ago by car but must do it again by bus. On another of my days out whilst in Manchester I got the number 84 out to Uppermill. After a walk around Uppermill and along the canal I continued my journey on the 184 Huddersfield bus up over the moors and down the other side as far as Marsden. I then enjoyed a drink in the Riverhead Brewery Tap before doing the short walk over the railway and along the lane to Tunnel End at the eastern end of the Standedge Tunnel and then returned along the canal.
 
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@RELL6L I had a few days in Manchester last September and endured the number 11 between Altrincham and Stockport. I’d been walking around the National Trust Gardens and Parkland at Dunham Massey just to the west of Altrincham and arrived at the Interchange, saw a bus just about to depart for Stockport, and got on it. I hadn’t realised it was such an indirect route and I was so bored by the time I‘d been around almost every housing estate in Wythenshawe. If only I hadn’t made such a spur of the moment decision I would have realised there there were quicker options. I also had a good explore of those interesting old streets up the hill in the older part of Stockport. I found the area quite fascinating and also had a very good pizza in a restaurant on that street in your photo just under the bridge.

I really like the area around Uppermill and Saddleworth Moor. It’s an area that I explored years ago by car but must do it again by bus. On another of my days out whilst in Manchester I got the number 84 out to Uppermill. After a walk around Uppermill and along the canal I continued my journey on the 184 Huddersfield bus up over the moors and down the other side as far as Marsden. I then enjoyed a drink in the Riverhead Brewery Tap before doing the short walk over the railway and along the lane to Tunnel End at the eastern end of the Standedge Tunnel and then returned along the canal.

Agreed on the 11. I knew what I was letting myself in for with the long journey but other options, eg 370/371 or the train, are much quicker.

Uppermill is delightful by the canal. I have also taken the 184 ‘over the top’ to Huddersfield, stopping at Marsden and Slaithwaite on the way, also great canal villages.

And the old part of Stockport is charming!
 

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Stockport was of course North Western Road Car territory, with the company's HQ and main garage in Charles Street among classical terraced housing. At the time of posting, Google Streetview has a continuity oddity as you go eastwards. You see the garage ahead empty and to let as you approach, then when alongside there is modern so-called affordable housing.
 

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Thank you, I thought it was you - good call. Still a cracking route and well used. I agree on central Hull, this is now a pretty decent place to look around.

Thanks @GusB for your report from the Elgin area. I would just love to have a sunny day exploring the towns and villages along the 35, as well as the route itself. Could spend a whole day doing just that...

Surprisingly I was able to take a third trip within eight days last Tuesday. This time I chose to visit Manchester for my first visit since the full implementation of the Bee Network. I started in Stagecoach territory using the park and ride at Hazel Grove, a free and useful but very underused facility, hopping straight onto a 192 for the short ride into Stockport. My bus was a modern ADL E400 City from the huge batch Stagecoach took last year. It was school holidays back home and I had assumed it would be in Manchester also, but it wasn’t and we started hitting traffic but I was early enough into Stockport that it wasn’t yet bad.

I have only been to Stockport once before and I knew that within the heart of the city centre was a decent area of narrow streets, few cars, shops and a market hall. After buying some breakfast I headed into this area in the early morning light and it is indeed very attractive, not what one would expect for a large metropolitan town. The market hall is charming but looks slightly fragile. Well worth a wander round here. My next leg was a marathon journey of 1hr 45 minutes for a journey which would take little over 15 minutes on the train. This was also with Stagecoach and was the 11 to Altrincham. My bus was a 12-plate ADL E400 and we started slowly, taking over 5 minutes to exit the bus station; the traffic lights were red for ages on the bus station exit but there was pretty much no other traffic either – what about some bus priority here? The route heads out through middle class areas such as Cheadle and Gatley before hitting Wythenshawe, where it winds all over the place around the town centre and hospital. There is a bus station in Wythenshawe town centre and another one at the hospital, plenty of Metroline vehicles around these parts, many still in Stagecoach colours with Bee Network stickers. The hospital bus station had notices warning that this was for buses only but even in the short time we paused there two cars arrived, stopped in the bus stop area, the drivers got out, new drivers got in and they drove away, clearly these were Metroline staff cars for driver changes. Most noticeable on the lengthy route 11 was how few passengers there were, most of ours took relatively short journeys while the ones we passed seemed to have very few passengers at least upstairs. Although the traffic in Stockport was heavy due to roadworks we had to wait time a few times as we were early and we arrived at Altrincham interchange 4 minutes ahead of time. I thought there were a notable number of buses running ‘Not in Service’ in this part of Greater Manchester – is that a feature of the distance between depots and routes or of the way the operators choose to run their services?

Altrincham is a more middle class town than Stockport but also has an attractive market hall, this one more substantially built, and some attractive streets in the town centre and I had time for a short stroll here, including to Goose Green, which those of us of a certain age remember as a location of military significance in the Falkland islands but here is a cobbled square with cafes. From Altrincham I took the Metroline 263, which largely parallels the Metrolink tram up through Sale to Stretford. There were a decent number of passengers all the way, either because it was cheaper or simply more convenient. I alighted briefly in Stretford but soon continued my journey into Manchester city centre on a Metroline 256, my bus being an ADE class ADL E400 EV. This was the first time I had been on one of these electric double deckers and it seemed pretty refined, not full of rattles and pretty smooth. We passed Old Trafford and the area of Hulme approaching the city centre close to Castlefield. I alighted here as one of my main plans was to visit parts of the canals around the Castlefield Basin area. Many years ago I passed through here in a boat but the change since then has been huge, the whole canalside area has been reinvigorated and it is now very attractive and popular for leisure including canalside pubs and cafes. I then walked up past the Peterloo Massacre memorial, the library and the town hall, although the town hall is annoyingly still wrapped in plastic. I passed through St Peters Square to the Piccadilly Gardens area from where I continued my journey.

The next leg was to Oldham on either the 83 or 84 with Stagecoach. The lack of places for buses to wait time while terminating in central Manchester affects the services here, as a bus late arriving will invariably mean it is late leaving. An 83 came first, this being an older 08-plate E400 in Stagecoach stripes. Although we left on time we were nearly 10 minutes late heading through Failsworth with more slow traffic due to a road closure in Oldham town centre. At Failsworth I noted a batch of double deckers in Bee Network yellow parked up in an area north of the main road – could these be the unloved Scanias? I am pretty sure they were. Several of the ex-Oxford Volvo B5LHs were working in the Oldham area and these looked pretty smart. I didn’t have long at Oldham as I was now heading for the highlight scenic journey of my day, the Diamond 356 out into the Pennines. For some reason all the Diamond routes had vanished from BusTimes although on the map the buses themselves still showed and I could see that my incoming vehicle, a Mellor Strata, was pretty much on time. We set off on time and headed off going round an estate on the east side of Sholver and then on to Denshaw. After Sholver this is real hilly Pennine country with the scenery to match and it was stunning on a sunny April day. Denshaw was lovely and then it was into Delph before more diversions and deviations and more cracking scenery around Uppermill and Saddleworth Moor. A great bit of the Pennines within Greater Manchester. The hourly 356 seems to be a route that knits together lots of uncommercial sections, visiting well-to-do Dobcross, a less glamorous estate in Diggle, a very narrow estate in Greenfield and another one in Mossley. I understand that there is a further deviation not currently covered because sometimes it is necessary to use E200s on the route and they cannot go that way, but I am not sure where this is. We were held up by a few road works and were a little late by the time I alighted in Mossley Market Place, this area being referred to as Top Mossley as opposed to the area by the railway station which is Bottom Mossley.

My next leg was another Diamond Bus and I could see this was running late from the map on BusTimes so I had a few minutes in Top Mossley. I had been here before one freezing early morning in December 2022, this time it was now quite warm with people enjoying the sunshine. In due course my bus arrived, another E200 on the Diamond 343 towards Hyde. This is another route sticking together some more uncommercial sections with a long loop around Brocklehurst before a double-run to Carrbrook and then to Stalybridge and the edge of Dukinfield. I had never been to Dukinfield before and I alighted here, walking to the very attractive town hall. Not much else in Dukinfield though and I then took the Stagecoach 330 to Hyde on an E400 MMC. The town hall at Hyde is good too but, being on the west side of the road, did not photograph as well at this time of day. I continued two buses later on a Wright Streetdeck, unusual buses for Stagecoach, on the 330 to Stockport. The first journey was pretty busy but the second one was quiet. We had been delayed slightly by roadworks in Dukinfield but were much more delayed by further roadworks on the approach to Stockport with the actual route, along Carrington Road, being closed. I alighted at the edge of the town centre and wandered back to the market hall area which was much busier in the early evening than it had been in the early morning. Heading back to the Mersey Square area I had just missed a 192 back to Hazel Grove but a High Peak Citaro on the 199 to Buxton appeared, running around half an hour late, so I took this back to Hazel Grove to grab my car and head home.

Thoughts on the Bee Network? Well, some of the routes are very frequent and I am not sure there are enough passengers for them all, while several less frequent routes, eg the 356 and 343, had plenty of custom. A bit more bus priority would be helpful, in some places the traffic lights seemed timed to help the cars get through but not the slower buses. And the roadworks – for goodness sake get a grip on the roadworks and the companies given free rein to dig up roads where and when they like! I didn’t see much of Go North West in the phase 1 area, Stagecoach in phase 2 and Stockport are getting there with most buses in yellow, while phase 3 Metroline still have some way to go with lots of buses still in Stagecoach colours, although of course they have been going for a much shorter time.

Scenically, Central Manchester by the canal is great on a sunny day, Stockport and Altrincham have great town centres and the Saddleworth area of Tameside is glorious in good weather. A most enjoyable day.

A selection of photos from the day:
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Altrincham market hall

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Altrincham Goose Green

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Canalside in Manchester near Castlefield

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Manchester library

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Pennines, near Denshaw

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Saddleworth, near Mossley

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Dukinfield town hall

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Stockport, a back street

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Stockport market hall
Very late to this but been away etc.

First of all, very jealous of @GusB. I don't know that part of Scotland at all, and it's been a while since I ventured north of the border. Must fix that!

Also, love the images of @RELL6L's trip out in Greater Manchester. I did have a little trip there in December and whilst I managed to get to Stockport, night was closing in and I didn't get chance to explore the town itself but only got as far as the interchange. I did notice in December that the level of bus priority was good in parts but the area around the interchange was quite bad.

The last time I was in Stockport proper would've been c.1998 - the only time I've bought an ironing board :lol: I was living sort of locally - about the same time, I went into an off license and bumped into Pakistani cricket legend Wasim Akram. Altrincham is the sort of high end place I'd expect to find him, but not in an offy! As for the exploration of the Pennine foothills... again, a bit of jealousy. Looks fabulous.

Not been out much this year...but I feel that might be about to change with the weather getting better!
 

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Thanks @GusB for your report from the Elgin area. I would just love to have a sunny day exploring the towns and villages along the 35, as well as the route itself. Could spend a whole day doing just that...
First of all, very jealous of @GusB. I don't know that part of Scotland at all, and it's been a while since I ventured north of the border. Must fix that!
There's never any guarantee of a sunny day in this part of the world and you know what the Law of Sod is like... ;)

To be honest, I've only ever done the full route once and it was a "distress purchase", having missed the direct service via Huntly and not wanting to spend another hour waiting in a cold, dreary Aberdeen for the next one (and being charged an extra quid for the privilege of the extra hour's journey time). I'd love to have a slightly more leisurely journey at some point, and preferably not in winter.

If anyone is planning to visit all the wee places along the 35 route, I'd suggest that one day really isn't enough. Ideally you'd need to have at least one overnight stop somewhere on the route, either at one of the extremities or somewhere in the middle.

A few years ago I met up with a few forumites in Cullen and we walked westwards along the disused railway. The original plan was to cross the Spey to Garmouth but time was getting tight for onward connections and it was decided that we should stop in Buckie and head back to Elgin. It was a pleasant day out and the weather was favourable but, for me at least, having to make sure I was back in Elgin by 1830 to catch the last bus back home was a bit of a worry.
 

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I was able to get another day out last week with the good weather, my fourth in the month which is very unusual. I started the day in Bishops Stortford, heading mainly for some routes and places in Cambridgeshire which I had not visited. A few minutes for a short look around the southern side of the town centre included crossing the river and finding a mural showing a Hong Kong tram. I have no idea what the history if this is, maybe somebody is able to enlighten us?

My first leg was on an E200 on the Stephensons 301 heading north into Essex, my destination being the reasonably attractive village of Newport, the fourth location with that name I have visited. My research indicated that this route was very unreliable with long delays common, sometimes mounting through the day, so to get an early journey seemed sensible. The scourge of timekeeping everywhere was the problem on this occasion with lengthy delays at roadworks, first near the oddly-named Stansted Mountfitchett – luckily the latter part of the name never made it to the nearby airport – and more near Quendon. As a result we were about 10 minutes late by the time we arrived in Newport where I had a short wander around the centre of the village. There is a school here and a number of Stephensons school buses turned up, generally Scania Omnidekkas with only a handful of children aboard. There didn’t seem to be many arriving by foot either. My plan onwards from here was to get the Stephensons school route 446 as far as Saffron Walden school, this turned up about 10 minutes late and refused to stop for me at the Coach and Horses stop on the main road in Newport. This was somewhat annoying, it is a public route fully shown as such, and should take all passengers, even though I would have had a bit of a walk into the town from the school. I had indeed used a schooldays only route with Stephensons some 15 years ago from Wethersfield into Saffron Walden so I know they are public. Plan B was the 319 due soon after but this was running increasingly late on its inward journey as a 321 from Haverhill. Unusually this was showing on BusTimes as an Omnidekka, the first time I have ever seen any evidence of a double decker on the routes between Saffron Walden and Haverhill. It did turn up and was indeed an Omnidekka and did pick me up at the Coach and Horses. However at Audley End station I, the only passenger, and the driver swapped onto an E200 waiting for us for the rest of the trip to Saffron Walden where we arrived about 20 minutes late.

Saffron Walden is a lovely small town, named from the manufacture of saffron several hundred years ago. OK, so maybe it knows it is pretty and can be a little pretentious as a result but it has several really attractive old buildings and streets, not to mention the market square, the remains of a castle and a common. Pargetting is a local style of decorative plaster on timber-framed buildings and there is plenty in evidence here. Bus-wise Saffron Walden is dominated by Stephensons, with hourly services to Bishops Stortford, Stansted Airport, Great Dunmow and Haverhill and a town route giving a good service in this rural corner of Essex, while Stagecoach provide an hourly service north to Cambridge. Almost nothing to the west though. I didn’t now have as much time as I intended and would have liked but I have been here before and grabbed a sausage roll as well as a few photos before moving on. My next leg was using another Stephensons E200, onwards to Haverhill on the 320, the quicker of the two routes between the termini, going via Radwinter and Steeple Bumpstead. With the 319 via Shudy Camps and Helions Bumpstead (aren’t they wonderful names!) these routes provide a combined hourly service (the 321 is a school journey combination). They are long established routes and must be pretty heavily subsidised by Essex council as we did not attract many passengers despite being the first bus after 9.30. Given that the destination was in Suffolk this is quite surprising. Leaving Saffron Walden we encountered more road works with a road closure, the alternative route being narrow and having many parked cars. This did not delay us by much but was clearly having a much greater impact on incoming services, hence the delay to my earlier 321 coming into Newport.

As we approached Haverhill I started looking at the bus for my next leg, the Stagecoach 13A to Cambridge, noting that the inward journey was nearly half an hour late. This journey had left Cambridge at 8.15 and was very late by the time it left the city limits. I had seen before that this journey was often delayed. The 13/13A/X13 is a relatively frequent inter-urban service running from an outstation in Haverhill. There is a core service every half hour from Cambridge fairly quickly to the edge of Haverhill, then round some housing areas before reaching the centre of the town and then on to a further loop to the east of town. Some journeys run as X13 and omit parts of the route, only to spend more time in Haverhill, but inward X13 journeys to Cambridge are oddly allowed 30 minutes from Addenbrooks Hospital to the city centre while the 13 and 13A are only given 15 minutes. The published timetable makes it all look even more complicated as the software has not picked up the nuances of the routes in Haverhill. Tracking my bus, an ADL E400 MMC, it had reached the bus station but nearly half an hour late and not continued round the loop to the east so I thought it might be going to return straight to Cambridge, roughly on time, this would be more sensible than two buses running in convoy. Haverhill has a lot of houses but not a great deal else, and few other bus services serve the town. In the bus station I saw the 13 blinded for Cambridge so I decided to stay on my 319 to go straight to Sainsburys. At this large edge of town store I stocked up on lunch and was still able to take the 13A onwards, now on time. We went through Horseheath and the attractive village of Linton, still in Suffolk, then around a couple of villages in Cambridgeshire before heading into the city past Addenbrooks Hospital. As we approached the city centre, comfortably on time, there were more three-way traffic lights at roadworks near the station and so we arrived a few minutes late. Buses heading out of the city centre were delayed much more and I understood more why my incoming bus had been so late.

I didn’t have long in Cambridge as I wished to visit a couple of villages north of Cambridge and go on to the lovely town of Ely. I took a Park and Ride route, the PR5, on a double decker MCV bodied Volvo BZL north from the city centre to Milton Park and Ride and then on to Waterbeach. MCV has a local connection in that Marshall was a local bus body builder which bodied many single decker buses in the 1960s and 1970s and later on the Dennis Dart and even made its own not very successful minibus. Marshall went into administration in 2001 and MCV bought some design rights; MCV is Egyptian and its UK base is near Ely. This electric bus was very quiet and rattle free as we headed out of town along a radial route which has been completely remodelled in recent years with wide cycle lanes but little bus priority. The 2 and PR5 provide eight buses an hour here, via different routes, but the park and ride car park did not look that full so I suspect there is quite a subsidy on these routes, especially with the electric buses. There are clearly carrots to attract Cambridge drivers out of their cars but I’m not sure there are enough sticks, cars are able to go most places around Cambridge with few restrictions except the absolute city centre.

Two PR5s each hour extend beyond Milton Park and Ride to Landbeach and Waterbeach and I took one of these and alighted in the village of Waterbeach. This village has a pleasant green but not a great deal else. The prevalent architecture here uses rather yellow brickwork which is not, in my view, the most attractive style, but presumably uses materials available locally. I took the next PR5 back, another Volvo BZL, as far as Cambridge Science Park. This is a publicly accessible area and I took a short walk in to where a large number of very clever people were enjoying their lunch in the sunshine close to a small lake with other facilities. I felt a little intimidated by the huge IQs as these learned young people passed by and returned to the bus stop for my next leg.

I then proceeded to head back north, this time on the Stagecoach 9. This used to be a trunk hourly service run from an outstation in Ely but this all changed a couple of years ago when Stagecoach virtually pulled out of all services outside Cambridge city – apart from the Busway, the Haverhill routes and the route south to Saffron Walden. They still run one bus on the 9 to Ely and Littleport, providing three journeys roughly four hours apart. A2B Buses have been contracted to provide another bus to make the service roughly two hourly. Stagecoach have just given notice that they are to withdraw even this remnant of the route later in the summer. My bus was another ADL E400, this one an 11-plate, now quite old, and there were probably around 20 aboard when I joined at the Science Park. The route bypasses the park and ride and all the local villages with some fairly prolonged running on the A10 at reasonable speeds, although further north it does divert into Stretham and a stop at the edge of Little Thetford. A few alighted en route but most stayed all the way to Ely and some beyond. At Ely we took a very convoluted route round the town before arriving in the centre. I stayed on here and we took a further wiggly route round the former council estate to the north of the town, where more people alighted, before continuing on the short journey to Littleport. There is a station on the edge of Littleport but otherwise this service is the only public transport. This section was slowly timed and we waited time at a couple of stops, although there is a level crossing which may delay buses at some times.

I alighted as soon as we got to the centre of Littleport and had a look around. The architecture was similar yellow brick and most notably of the few shops in the centre of town, no less than four were barber’s shops. I cannot imagine what the demand can be here for four barber’s shops, unless other services are provided. There is a monument to the father of the founder of Harley Davidson in the form of a motorbike and some attractive corners but generally Littleport is a rather nondescript small town. The 9 is even more incredibly slowly timed to perform a loop round what houses there are in Littleport which gave me almost 25 minutes to walk a few yards to another stop in the town centre to head back to Ely, where we arrived almost 10 minutes early.

Ely is a delightful small city with its cathedral towering over it, visible from some distance. I had visited a couple of times before but only in the morning so I had not been able to take any photos of the cathedral from the western side. This time I was able to do this and walk down the footpath from the cathedral through a park area to the waterfront on the River Great Ouse. This was the end of my bus trip for the day as I took a train back to Bishops Stortford, changing at the new Cambridge North station.

A change from my recent emphasis on trips in the north and great to have managed four bus trips in April, good because holidays mean it will be some time before I have any chance of further days out. Generally things ended up working according to plan although I was annoyed that the Stephensons 446 did not stop for me. Stagecoach dominate the Cambridge area and ran well although congestion is clearly a major issue. Franchising is starting in Cambridgeshire with more supposedly on the horizon, but with a Conservative mayor and a Liberal Democrat council now elected, who knows what will happen. I think I have been to most places now in this area, another trip is fairly unlikely unless we get more exciting routes to travel - maybe the recently announced T7 from nowhere much to nowhere much via nowhere at all - my sort of route!

Some photos:
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Bishops Stortford, complete with Hong Kong tram mural

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Newport, Essex

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Saffron Walden

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Waterbeach

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Huge brains taking on sustenance in Cambridge Science Park

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Littleport, three barbers shops in the picture, the other is just behind

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Littleport, Harley Davidson memorial

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Ely cathedral

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Ely, River Great Ouse
 

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I was able to get another day out last week with the good weather, my fourth in the month which is very unusual. I started the day in Bishops Stortford, heading mainly for some routes and places in Cambridgeshire which I had not visited. A few minutes for a short look around the southern side of the town centre included crossing the river and finding a mural showing a Hong Kong tram. I have no idea what the history if this is, maybe somebody is able to enlighten us?

My first leg was on an E200 on the Stephensons 301 heading north into Essex, my destination being the reasonably attractive village of Newport, the fourth location with that name I have visited. My research indicated that this route was very unreliable with long delays common, sometimes mounting through the day, so to get an early journey seemed sensible. The scourge of timekeeping everywhere was the problem on this occasion with lengthy delays at roadworks, first near the oddly-named Stansted Mountfitchett – luckily the latter part of the name never made it to the nearby airport – and more near Quendon. As a result we were about 10 minutes late by the time we arrived in Newport where I had a short wander around the centre of the village. There is a school here and a number of Stephensons school buses turned up, generally Scania Omnidekkas with only a handful of children aboard. There didn’t seem to be many arriving by foot either. My plan onwards from here was to get the Stephensons school route 446 as far as Saffron Walden school, this turned up about 10 minutes late and refused to stop for me at the Coach and Horses stop on the main road in Newport. This was somewhat annoying, it is a public route fully shown as such, and should take all passengers, even though I would have had a bit of a walk into the town from the school. I had indeed used a schooldays only route with Stephensons some 15 years ago from Wethersfield into Saffron Walden so I know they are public. Plan B was the 319 due soon after but this was running increasingly late on its inward journey as a 321 from Haverhill. Unusually this was showing on BusTimes as an Omnidekka, the first time I have ever seen any evidence of a double decker on the routes between Saffron Walden and Haverhill. It did turn up and was indeed an Omnidekka and did pick me up at the Coach and Horses. However at Audley End station I, the only passenger, and the driver swapped onto an E200 waiting for us for the rest of the trip to Saffron Walden where we arrived about 20 minutes late.

Saffron Walden is a lovely small town, named from the manufacture of saffron several hundred years ago. OK, so maybe it knows it is pretty and can be a little pretentious as a result but it has several really attractive old buildings and streets, not to mention the market square, the remains of a castle and a common. Pargetting is a local style of decorative plaster on timber-framed buildings and there is plenty in evidence here. Bus-wise Saffron Walden is dominated by Stephensons, with hourly services to Bishops Stortford, Stansted Airport, Great Dunmow and Haverhill and a town route giving a good service in this rural corner of Essex, while Stagecoach provide an hourly service north to Cambridge. Almost nothing to the west though. I didn’t now have as much time as I intended and would have liked but I have been here before and grabbed a sausage roll as well as a few photos before moving on. My next leg was using another Stephensons E200, onwards to Haverhill on the 320, the quicker of the two routes between the termini, going via Radwinter and Steeple Bumpstead. With the 319 via Shudy Camps and Helions Bumpstead (aren’t they wonderful names!) these routes provide a combined hourly service (the 321 is a school journey combination). They are long established routes and must be pretty heavily subsidised by Essex council as we did not attract many passengers despite being the first bus after 9.30. Given that the destination was in Suffolk this is quite surprising. Leaving Saffron Walden we encountered more road works with a road closure, the alternative route being narrow and having many parked cars. This did not delay us by much but was clearly having a much greater impact on incoming services, hence the delay to my earlier 321 coming into Newport.

As we approached Haverhill I started looking at the bus for my next leg, the Stagecoach 13A to Cambridge, noting that the inward journey was nearly half an hour late. This journey had left Cambridge at 8.15 and was very late by the time it left the city limits. I had seen before that this journey was often delayed. The 13/13A/X13 is a relatively frequent inter-urban service running from an outstation in Haverhill. There is a core service every half hour from Cambridge fairly quickly to the edge of Haverhill, then round some housing areas before reaching the centre of the town and then on to a further loop to the east of town. Some journeys run as X13 and omit parts of the route, only to spend more time in Haverhill, but inward X13 journeys to Cambridge are oddly allowed 30 minutes from Addenbrooks Hospital to the city centre while the 13 and 13A are only given 15 minutes. The published timetable makes it all look even more complicated as the software has not picked up the nuances of the routes in Haverhill. Tracking my bus, an ADL E400 MMC, it had reached the bus station but nearly half an hour late and not continued round the loop to the east so I thought it might be going to return straight to Cambridge, roughly on time, this would be more sensible than two buses running in convoy. Haverhill has a lot of houses but not a great deal else, and few other bus services serve the town. In the bus station I saw the 13 blinded for Cambridge so I decided to stay on my 319 to go straight to Sainsburys. At this large edge of town store I stocked up on lunch and was still able to take the 13A onwards, now on time. We went through Horseheath and the attractive village of Linton, still in Suffolk, then around a couple of villages in Cambridgeshire before heading into the city past Addenbrooks Hospital. As we approached the city centre, comfortably on time, there were more three-way traffic lights at roadworks near the station and so we arrived a few minutes late. Buses heading out of the city centre were delayed much more and I understood more why my incoming bus had been so late.

I didn’t have long in Cambridge as I wished to visit a couple of villages north of Cambridge and go on to the lovely town of Ely. I took a Park and Ride route, the PR5, on a double decker MCV bodied Volvo BZL north from the city centre to Milton Park and Ride and then on to Waterbeach. MCV has a local connection in that Marshall was a local bus body builder which bodied many single decker buses in the 1960s and 1970s and later on the Dennis Dart and even made its own not very successful minibus. Marshall went into administration in 2001 and MCV bought some design rights; MCV is Egyptian and its UK base is near Ely. This electric bus was very quiet and rattle free as we headed out of town along a radial route which has been completely remodelled in recent years with wide cycle lanes but little bus priority. The 2 and PR5 provide eight buses an hour here, via different routes, but the park and ride car park did not look that full so I suspect there is quite a subsidy on these routes, especially with the electric buses. There are clearly carrots to attract Cambridge drivers out of their cars but I’m not sure there are enough sticks, cars are able to go most places around Cambridge with few restrictions except the absolute city centre.

Two PR5s each hour extend beyond Milton Park and Ride to Landbeach and Waterbeach and I took one of these and alighted in the village of Waterbeach. This village has a pleasant green but not a great deal else. The prevalent architecture here uses rather yellow brickwork which is not, in my view, the most attractive style, but presumably uses materials available locally. I took the next PR5 back, another Volvo BZL, as far as Cambridge Science Park. This is a publicly accessible area and I took a short walk in to where a large number of very clever people were enjoying their lunch in the sunshine close to a small lake with other facilities. I felt a little intimidated by the huge IQs as these learned young people passed by and returned to the bus stop for my next leg.

I then proceeded to head back north, this time on the Stagecoach 9. This used to be a trunk hourly service run from an outstation in Ely but this all changed a couple of years ago when Stagecoach virtually pulled out of all services outside Cambridge city – apart from the Busway, the Haverhill routes and the route south to Saffron Walden. They still run one bus on the 9 to Ely and Littleport, providing three journeys roughly four hours apart. A2B Buses have been contracted to provide another bus to make the service roughly two hourly. Stagecoach have just given notice that they are to withdraw even this remnant of the route later in the summer. My bus was another ADL E400, this one an 11-plate, now quite old, and there were probably around 20 aboard when I joined at the Science Park. The route bypasses the park and ride and all the local villages with some fairly prolonged running on the A10 at reasonable speeds, although further north it does divert into Stretham and a stop at the edge of Little Thetford. A few alighted en route but most stayed all the way to Ely and some beyond. At Ely we took a very convoluted route round the town before arriving in the centre. I stayed on here and we took a further wiggly route round the former council estate to the north of the town, where more people alighted, before continuing on the short journey to Littleport. There is a station on the edge of Littleport but otherwise this service is the only public transport. This section was slowly timed and we waited time at a couple of stops, although there is a level crossing which may delay buses at some times.

I alighted as soon as we got to the centre of Littleport and had a look around. The architecture was similar yellow brick and most notably of the few shops in the centre of town, no less than four were barber’s shops. I cannot imagine what the demand can be here for four barber’s shops, unless other services are provided. There is a monument to the father of the founder of Harley Davidson in the form of a motorbike and some attractive corners but generally Littleport is a rather nondescript small town. The 9 is even more incredibly slowly timed to perform a loop round what houses there are in Littleport which gave me almost 25 minutes to walk a few yards to another stop in the town centre to head back to Ely, where we arrived almost 10 minutes early.

Ely is a delightful small city with its cathedral towering over it, visible from some distance. I had visited a couple of times before but only in the morning so I had not been able to take any photos of the cathedral from the western side. This time I was able to do this and walk down the footpath from the cathedral through a park area to the waterfront on the River Great Ouse. This was the end of my bus trip for the day as I took a train back to Bishops Stortford, changing at the new Cambridge North station.

A change from my recent emphasis on trips in the north and great to have managed four bus trips in April, good because holidays mean it will be some time before I have any chance of further days out. Generally things ended up working according to plan although I was annoyed that the Stephensons 446 did not stop for me. Stagecoach dominate the Cambridge area and ran well although congestion is clearly a major issue. Franchising is starting in Cambridgeshire with more supposedly on the horizon, but with a Conservative mayor and a Liberal Democrat council now elected, who knows what will happen. I think I have been to most places now in this area, another trip is fairly unlikely unless we get more exciting routes to travel - maybe the recently announced T7 from nowhere much to nowhere much via nowhere at all - my sort of route!

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Bishops Stortford, complete with Hong Kong tram mural

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Newport, Essex

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Saffron Walden

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Waterbeach

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Huge brains taking on sustenance in Cambridge Science Park

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Littleport, three barbers shops in the picture, the other is just behind

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Littleport, Harley Davidson memorial

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Ely cathedral

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Ely, River Great Ouse
As ever, great photos and lots of lovely details.

The area around Saffron Walden, Haverhill and Bishops Stortford are a complete void for me. I've been to BS, but not the other two but even then, my visits have been confined to a client visit nearby. I know nothing of the area so thanks for the insight.

Cambridge and that bit of the Fens is more in my wheelhouse. Not least because I cycled in the area about 10 years ago and was equally surprised by the fact that the man behind Harley Davidson has a memorial in Littleport, an otherwise dull and unremarkable town that seems to have no discernible point - nearby Chatteris is equally bereft! Ely is a joy though. I can only assume that Stagecoach has taken the view that outside of the city, Haverhill and the Busway, the pickings are now so meagre that the routes are barely worth doing and/or they may as well as use precious driving resource on those areas that are more lucrative.

I think I did Cambridge to Newmarket (decent passenger numbers) and then went to Ely on a thinly loaded journey before then going to March via Manea where there was me and another passenger on a Trident. Similarly, last time in that area involved a March to St Ives run where a leather seated Eclipse had about 5 passengers. Not enough to make money but if the Combined Authority want to fritter money away and Stagecoach can smell a profit, no wonder they now fancy a bit of that!

IIRC, Cambridge used to have an extensive Stagecoach Express network in the late 1990s but I think that for anything of distance, the train wins.
 

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As ever, great photos and lots of lovely details.

The area around Saffron Walden, Haverhill and Bishops Stortford are a complete void for me. I've been to BS, but not the other two but even then, my visits have been confined to a client visit nearby. I know nothing of the area so thanks for the insight.

Cambridge and that bit of the Fens is more in my wheelhouse. Not least because I cycled in the area about 10 years ago and was equally surprised by the fact that the man behind Harley Davidson has a memorial in Littleport, an otherwise dull and unremarkable town that seems to have no discernible point - nearby Chatteris is equally bereft! Ely is a joy though. I can only assume that Stagecoach has taken the view that outside of the city, Haverhill and the Busway, the pickings are now so meagre that the routes are barely worth doing and/or they may as well as use precious driving resource on those areas that are more lucrative.

I think I did Cambridge to Newmarket (decent passenger numbers) and then went to Ely on a thinly loaded journey before then going to March via Manea where there was me and another passenger on a Trident. Similarly, last time in that area involved a March to St Ives run where a leather seated Eclipse had about 5 passengers. Not enough to make money but if the Combined Authority want to fritter money away and Stagecoach can smell a profit, no wonder they now fancy a bit of that!

IIRC, Cambridge used to have an extensive Stagecoach Express network in the late 1990s but I think that for anything of distance, the train wins.
Thanks for your response. You should visit north west Essex, it’s quite scenic and a contrast to the nearby Fens. There is also a reasonable bus network. Thaxted and Great Dunmow are particularly worth visiting as well as Saffron Walden. I’m not sure but possibly the proximity to Stansted Airport has provided some funding to the area.

Agree on Littleport and Stagecoach. I took a bus from Cambridge to Newmarket when they still ran this and it was well loaded, I was very surprised they gave up this route. As you say, if resources are short, concentrate on the most lucrative, presumably the city services. My last trip to Chatteris included some very lightly loaded journeys.
 

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Thanks for your response. You should visit north west Essex, it’s quite scenic and a contrast to the nearby Fens. There is also a reasonable bus network. Thaxted and Great Dunmow are particularly worth visiting as well as Saffron Walden. I’m not sure but possibly the proximity to Stansted Airport has provided some funding to the area.
I also can really recommend visiting that area of NW Essex just to explore the interesting historical small towns and villages. I stayed in the Premier Inn on the edge of Saffron Walden for a few days last June whilst meeting up with friends. I mainly used my car whilst there and spent a whole day at Audley End and another day at the Duxford Imperial War Museum. I also had a day using my car to visit and wander around lots of the villages to the east of Saffron Walden including a walk between the two villages of Finchingfield and Great Bardfield. Beautiful countryside with very quiet country lanes and deserted footpaths. Also some wonderful historic churches to look around.

I did use the Stephensons 313/314 Saffron Walden-Thaxted-Great Dunmow routes one day to visit the lovely old town of Thaxted with its fantastic church and windmill. I then continued an hour later to the small village of Little Easton from where I did a walk of around 5 miles including visiting Easton Lodge Gardens. Later in the day I continued my journey by bus for a short visit to Great Dunmow before returning to Saffron Walden.

I‘ve just returned from a week down in East Sussex based in Eastbourne. I will try to get around soon to writing a report of my 6 days exploring the area mostly by bus.
 
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It's been a few months as I've jealously read reports from @GusB @RELL6L and @Hyebone but I finally managed to get out and about. Good things come to those who wait... hope you enjoy reading about it. I'll split the day into two halves...

I was in my native North and began the day in Morpeth. This is Northumberland's county town and a really pleasant town to walk around. The bus station was rebuilt about 15 years ago but the town's bus services seem quieter these days as Arriva has scaled back. Still, the main Great North Road routes continue and I was getting the X18 along the coast route to Alnwick. My steed was one of a batch of 72 plate e400s that Ashington depot has - these are a bit basic in terms of the seating for services where the average journey length is longer than usual. However, in bright morning sunshine, we headed north passing through Widdrington and seeing one of only a few departures from that station that day having been through Ulgham (pronounced Uffam) with lots of VE day bunting still on show. The X18 then begins to head north and run parallel with the coast and there are fabulous views across the fields to the glinting North Sea. Amble requires a bit of a loop to serve the village and similarly, you cross the water into Alnmouth. For an early journey, passenger figures were pretty healthy and we probably had 30 people on arrival into Alnwick.

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Warkworth Castle - as seen from your X18

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Looking across to Alnmouth

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Alnwick Castle from the Lion Bridge

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Alnwick bus station


Alnwick is one of my favourite towns in the North East. As well as a castle that has starred in many TV and films (e.g. Blackadder, Harry Potter), the whole town centre is historic and full of character. Definitely a place to wander around and I did head to the Lion Bridge to get a shot of the castle before getting breakfast. It was a short walk back to the bus station - a rather basic structure next to where Arriva used to have a travel office that is retained for staff welfare purposes for some local outbased drivers and those visiting from Ashington. My next journey was to head further north and to Berwick. This was once home to a shared depot of Eastern/Lowland and United/Northumbria but is now only fleetingly visited by one of those successors with Arriva's X15/X18 reaching there. Once a bustling town, Berwick seems bereft of its previous energy and the town bus station/depot has long since been redeveloped. Bus stops at Golden Square are augmented by many services serving the rail station. It had been a while since I'd been to Berwick but I know the town well so felt no need to really explore though I would recommend it to others. The journey up follows the coast and affords stunning views of Holy Island though if you get the X18 (rather than my X15), you get even more coastal scenery as you pass Seahouses, Bamburgh and Buddle Bay. As it was, I was on the fast X15 via Belford but the views are still killer!

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Lindisfarne (Holy Island) in the distance

The next bus would require payment as we headed over the border to Kelso. This is Borders Buses 67 that ultimately heads to Galashiels but it was nearly £8 for a single to Kelso! It's another super

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Arrival into Kelso

We arrived into Kelso in the midst of road closures with the town centre cordoned off for a parade. Our very nicely appointed Versa (with wrong destination display) was allowed in though and it was a pleasant walk through the town. I still miss the old bus station/depot that seemed to be a time capsule of 1950s-ness even into the 21st century. Loadings were decent on this journey too with plenty being picked up in places like Norham and Coldstream as we hopped around the border whilst paralleling the old rail line for much of the trip. Absolutely fabulous countryside and with views for miles across to the Eildon Hills. This continued as a short walk to avoid road closures allowed the catching of Peter Hogg's 20 to Jedburgh and Hawick. I thought it might have been hourly once (?) but it's a two hourly run using e200mmcs and very nice too. We skipped along and were soon in Jedburgh.

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Eildon Hills in the distance

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Jedburgh bus stance - unchanged in millennia

Two things about Jedburgh. The bus stance is seemingly almost unchanged since the 1980s where I first encountered it. You could have some preserved Seddons in there and nothing would seem out of place. Also, why do some Scottish towns have bus "stances" rather than "stations" - never worked that out! Jedburgh is a super small town as most in the Borders are. Yes, they've lost their banks and there's an out of town superstore but places like Kelso and Jedburgh still have plenty of local shops. It was, however, time for lunch.

And here endeth part one... The rest of the journey comes later in the week when I've time :D

Hope you've enjoyed the scenery and the photos thus far (reflections and motion blur permitting).
 

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Thanks for the write-up. So far. I've never understood. The poverty spec on the latest batch of x15 and x18 vehicles, I know that times were perhaps challenging when they were ordered but still. How often do they tend to change these as I've still to do those runs and not sure how regularly the fleet get replaced

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Thanks for the write-up. So far. I've never understood. The poverty spec on the latest batch of x15 and x18 vehicles, I know that times were perhaps challenging when they were ordered but still. How often do they tend to change these as I've still to do those runs and not sure how regularly the fleet get replaced

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I know. I should say (for the non-initiated) that buses on the X15/X18 (and their predecessors) have generally been coach seated whether they were coach shell (e.g. Leyland Leopards, Tigers, DAF SBS3000) or bus shell (Olympians, e400, etc).

Ashington depot received a batch of e400mmc with standard eLeather bus seats (i.e. no headrest), with USB charging as a bonus. Long overdue investment but the spec sadly lacking.
 

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Thanks for the write-up. There's some spectacular scenery in Northumberland though you did miss quite a lot of it by getting the X15 rather than the X18 from Alnwick to Berwick.

I theorise that part 2 of your trip is to get the Peter Hogg X74 back to Morpeth/Newcastle ;)
 

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Thanks for the write-up. There's some spectacular scenery in Northumberland though you did miss quite a lot of it by getting the X15 rather than the X18 from Alnwick to Berwick.

I theorise that part 2 of your trip is to get the Peter Hogg X74 back to Morpeth/Newcastle ;)
Right on both counts...

As I mentioned, you do get more coastal scenery on the X18 through Craster, Bamburgh and the hidden gem that is Buddle Bay but time was a consideration. The X18 would've meant a tight connection in Berwick (and didn't want to risk it) but you're right, it is a much more scenic route. However, the X15 isn't a bad alternative.

Heading south is part two, as you rightly surmised.
 

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Right on both counts...

As I mentioned, you do get more coastal scenery on the X18 through Craster, Bamburgh and the hidden gem that is Buddle Bay but time was a consideration. The X18 would've meant a tight connection in Berwick (and didn't want to risk it) but you're right, it is a much more scenic route. However, the X15 isn't a bad alternative.

Heading south is part two, as you rightly surmised.
It's a shame you're going south on the X74 - the view at Carter Bar going northbound is one of the biggest "wow" moments I've ever experienced on a bus! You will still have got a fantastic journey though and the scenery is very good regardless of how you do it - perhaps you managed a change at or near the Airport to try the brand new (and very good) 777 service too?

Agree though that Kelso and Jedburgh are both very pleasant towns; you really can't go wrong with that part of the world and even the more built up border towns tend to be pleasant enough. I really need to make more use of the X74 which has opened up much improved journey opportunities for me personally via Jed; previously travel from Newcastle into the Borders was difficult without either resorting to the train (which can be expensive, especially on the east coast) or long bus detours via Carlisle or Berwick.

Incidentally, the 67 route seems to have a particularly strange working pattern. It's marked as a through route but in practice buses seem to turn at Kelso, and I've actually been refused boarding at Berwick when I requested Gala on a 67 (fortunately, a 60 was just coming in - otherwise my plans for the entire day would have been totally scuppered at 8am!). So I don't actually think your buses display was wrong - really Borders Buses ought to renumber the eastern half of route (keeping the number 67 for the stretch that parallels the 68 through Melrose) to avoid this confusion if they genuinely aren't running through services via Kelso!
 

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Incidentally, the 67 route seems to have a particularly strange working pattern. It's marked as a through route but in practice buses seem to turn at Kelso, and I've actually been refused boarding at Berwick when I requested Gala on a 67 (fortunately, a 60 was just coming in - otherwise my plans for the entire day would have been totally scuppered at 8am!). So I don't actually think your buses display was wrong - really Borders Buses ought to renumber the eastern half of route (keeping the number 67 for the stretch that parallels the 68 through Melrose) to avoid this confusion if they genuinely aren't running through services via Kelso!

That's been my experience too (albeit a few years ago). There were 2 separate 67 buses, one running from Gala to Kelso and one running from Kelso to Berwick. I remember having to scramble across Kelso in about 5 minutes to connect onwards!

I haven't had chance to do the X74 yet but it's on my 'list' at some point. I hear that the views are very good. Unfortunately the last time I was up in the borders was Good Friday, and the bus was not running that day despite most companies in Scotland running a Saturday service.

I thought the X74 went through Morpeth but I'm getting my geography mixed up. In that case, I think changing at the airport for the 777 does seem like the next plausible step.
 

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Right on both counts...

As I mentioned, you do get more coastal scenery on the X18 through Craster, Bamburgh and the hidden gem that is Buddle Bay but time was a consideration. The X18 would've meant a tight connection in Berwick (and didn't want to risk it) but you're right, it is a much more scenic route. However, the X15 isn't a bad alternative.

Heading south is part two, as you rightly surmised.
Very envious as something very similar is absolutely top of my ‘to do’ list. I’ve done all the X18 and Morpeth, Alnwick and Berwick, also the 60 west of Berwick, but not the 67 nor been to Kelso or Jedburgh or taken the X74. My guess is that you will have taken the 777 from Ponteland back to Morpeth.

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Interesting report, look forward to the second part.
 

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That's been my experience too (albeit a few years ago). There were 2 separate 67 buses, one running from Gala to Kelso and one running from Kelso to Berwick. I remember having to scramble across Kelso in about 5 minutes to connect onwards!

I haven't had chance to do the X74 yet but it's on my 'list' at some point. I hear that the views are very good. Unfortunately the last time I was up in the borders was Good Friday, and the bus was not running that day despite most companies in Scotland running a Saturday service.

I thought the X74 went through Morpeth but I'm getting my geography mixed up. In that case, I think changing at the airport for the 777 does seem like the next plausible step.
The 67 was split at Kelso at Covid. I agree that changing buses at Kelso can be frustrating but it is only 30 seconds to walk through the passageway between the two bus stops.

The Peter Hogg X74 is a Northumberland contract hence the reason it does not run on English holidays. The X74 keeps to the main road and unlike its predecessor number 131 does not serve the Airport.

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It's been a few months as I've jealously read reports from @GusB @RELL6L and @Hyebone but I finally managed to get out and about. Good things come to those who wait... hope you enjoy reading about it. I'll split the day into two halves...

I was in my native North and began the day in Morpeth. This is Northumberland's county town and a really pleasant town to walk around. The bus station was rebuilt about 15 years ago but the town's bus services seem quieter these days as Arriva has scaled back. Still, the main Great North Road routes continue and I was getting the X18 along the coast route to Alnwick. My steed was one of a batch of 72 plate e400s that Ashington depot has - these are a bit basic in terms of the seating for services where the average journey length is longer than usual. However, in bright morning sunshine, we headed north passing through Widdrington and seeing one of only a few departures from that station that day having been through Ulgham (pronounced Uffam) with lots of VE day bunting still on show. The X18 then begins to head north and run parallel with the coast and there are fabulous views across the fields to the glinting North Sea. Amble requires a bit of a loop to serve the village and similarly, you cross the water into Alnmouth. For an early journey, passenger figures were pretty healthy and we probably had 30 people on arrival into Alnwick.

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Warkworth Castle - as seen from your X18

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Looking across to Alnmouth

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Alnwick Castle from the Lion Bridge

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Alnwick bus station


Alnwick is one of my favourite towns in the North East. As well as a castle that has starred in many TV and films (e.g. Blackadder, Harry Potter), the whole town centre is historic and full of character. Definitely a place to wander around and I did head to the Lion Bridge to get a shot of the castle before getting breakfast. It was a short walk back to the bus station - a rather basic structure next to where Arriva used to have a travel office that is retained for staff welfare purposes for some local outbased drivers and those visiting from Ashington. My next journey was to head further north and to Berwick. This was once home to a shared depot of Eastern/Lowland and United/Northumbria but is now only fleetingly visited by one of those successors with Arriva's X15/X18 reaching there. Once a bustling town, Berwick seems bereft of its previous energy and the town bus station/depot has long since been redeveloped. Bus stops at Golden Square are augmented by many services serving the rail station. It had been a while since I'd been to Berwick but I know the town well so felt no need to really explore though I would recommend it to others. The journey up follows the coast and affords stunning views of Holy Island though if you get the X18 (rather than my X15), you get even more coastal scenery as you pass Seahouses, Bamburgh and Buddle Bay. As it was, I was on the fast X15 via Belford but the views are still killer!

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Lindisfarne (Holy Island) in the distance

The next bus would require payment as we headed over the border to Kelso. This is Borders Buses 67 that ultimately heads to Galashiels but it was nearly £8 for a single to Kelso! It's another super

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Arrival into Kelso

We arrived into Kelso in the midst of road closures with the town centre cordoned off for a parade. Our very nicely appointed Versa (with wrong destination display) was allowed in though and it was a pleasant walk through the town. I still miss the old bus station/depot that seemed to be a time capsule of 1950s-ness even into the 21st century. Loadings were decent on this journey too with plenty being picked up in places like Norham and Coldstream as we hopped around the border whilst paralleling the old rail line for much of the trip. Absolutely fabulous countryside and with views for miles across to the Eildon Hills. This continued as a short walk to avoid road closures allowed the catching of Peter Hogg's 20 to Jedburgh and Hawick. I thought it might have been hourly once (?) but it's a two hourly run using e200mmcs and very nice too. We skipped along and were soon in Jedburgh.

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Eildon Hills in the distance

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Jedburgh bus stance - unchanged in millennia

Two things about Jedburgh. The bus stance is seemingly almost unchanged since the 1980s where I first encountered it. You could have some preserved Seddons in there and nothing would seem out of place. Also, why do some Scottish towns have bus "stances" rather than "stations" - never worked that out! Jedburgh is a super small town as most in the Borders are. Yes, they've lost their banks and there's an out of town superstore but places like Kelso and Jedburgh still have plenty of local shops. It was, however, time for lunch.

And here endeth part one... The rest of the journey comes later in the week when I've time :D

Hope you've enjoyed the scenery and the photos thus far (reflections and motion blur permitting).
Did you download the Borders Buses app to pay for your Berwick to Kelso fare? If so this would have been cheaper fare. £6.79?

ENCT holders can travel on the 67 free of charge so long as one end of their journey is in Northumberland.
 
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It's a shame you're going south on the X74 - the view at Carter Bar going northbound is one of the biggest "wow" moments I've ever experienced on a bus! You will still have got a fantastic journey though and the scenery is very good regardless of how you do it - perhaps you managed a change at or near the Airport to try the brand new (and very good) 777 service too?

Agree though that Kelso and Jedburgh are both very pleasant towns; you really can't go wrong with that part of the world and even the more built up border towns tend to be pleasant enough. I really need to make more use of the X74 which has opened up much improved journey opportunities for me personally via Jed; previously travel from Newcastle into the Borders was difficult without either resorting to the train (which can be expensive, especially on the east coast) or long bus detours via Carlisle or Berwick.

Incidentally, the 67 route seems to have a particularly strange working pattern. It's marked as a through route but in practice buses seem to turn at Kelso, and I've actually been refused boarding at Berwick when I requested Gala on a 67 (fortunately, a 60 was just coming in - otherwise my plans for the entire day would have been totally scuppered at 8am!). So I don't actually think your buses display was wrong - really Borders Buses ought to renumber the eastern half of route (keeping the number 67 for the stretch that parallels the 68 through Melrose) to avoid this confusion if they genuinely aren't running through services via Kelso!
I lived in Berwick for the summer mid 1970's, working as a holiday site barman. I had a bus day out. United to Cornhill, walk to Coldstream and a bus back to Berwick.
 

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Border Country trip - part 2

The second half of the trip report begins in Jedburgh, having made my way from Morpeth via the coastal route to Alnwick. Having gone inland on the fast route because of time considerations, it had then been an expensive trip to Kelso (yes, only realised on paying the driver that there's a large cost benefit in buying on Border Buses' app) before the short hop to Jedburgh. A relaxed lunch was followed by a stroll around Jedburgh which is a typical Borders town and was a regular stopping point when my family used to head north to visit relatives. Hence, Jedburgh bus stance will always be indelibly linked with memories of green and white Seddons. Nowadays, it is home to Border Buses running in from Gala/Newton, and Peter Hogg who runs the Hawick to Kelso service that I'd arrived on. Having had a rest, bus and driver were now readied and so I was reunited with my e200mmc to head south on the X74 (as many had guessed). The earlier run arrived with about 8 passengers, and we had a similar number heading south with a few suitcases carried on both loads (so people using it for Newcastle Airport even if it doesn't serve it directly?).

One poster has mentioned the views north from Carter Bar. As we were heading south, and the A68 slaloms to the submit, it required much craning of necks to enjoy that view. It really is a stunning ascent and, to be fair, the views from above and then the descent back into England are also pretty special. The e200mmc was a bit underpowered but it managed ok and then we were scooting along the edge of Catcleugh Reservoir and then past the Snaiths depot in Otterburn. I always forget just how far it is in the wilds. The X74 really is a fabulous route - I doubt it will ever be sustainable but it is one of those routes where it can be legitimately argued that there is a need, and not just for enthusiasts having a day out or a "nice to have".

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View north from Carter Bar - you can see the A68 hairpin beneath

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The views north are stunning

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Speeding past a depleted Catcleugh Reservoir

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Outside the Pele Tower in Ponteland

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Goodbye to our old friend - it had taken us from Kelso to Ponteland


Eventually, we arrived into Ponteland where the affluence of the area was apparent in the people quaffing outside various bars. As one person guessed, it was a quick change here and onto the 777 to Morpeth, though not before I had chance to read about the Vicar's Pele Tower - in the lawless borders, many places had these defensive structures; a bit like a communal panic room where people could congregate. I had already travelled on the 777 last year and I can't see it surviving the loss of BSIP funds. There was one other passenger on this journey and I doubt it gets double figures on any journey except schools. Still, the Arriva Pulsar was a decent enough machine as we exited through Ponteland and headed back to Northumberland's county town.

Arrival at Morpeth might have been the end of the day but I had one more excursion to tick off. So it was onto another Arriva e400mmc for the trip to Ashington. This is one of those routes that is every 20 mins on a weekday but is every 30 on a Saturday. Moreover, we had 4 Arriva drivers who'd clearly finished their duties in Morpeth and were then heading back as passengers to Ashington depot; they were busy chatting about golf days and holidays and seemed pretty chirpy. Their colleague dropped them off near the depot whilst we proceeded to Ashington bus station - a rudimentary affair and the third Ashington bus station I've known. I wandered off to get a drink from a shop, and then headed to the latest development in Northumbrian public transport - the rail line to Newcastle. Ashington station is a basic affair and the 1960s office block adjacent is being pulled apart as they try to redevelop the area. Ashington is one of those towns where the tide really has gone out. I paid £1.60 to have a short trip to Newsham to experience a bit of the line, whilst two young ladies talked about their respective tattoos. There were also plenty of people heading early into Newcastle for a night out, passing by those arriving who'd already enjoyed the city.

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End of the line at Ashington - the lines do continue north, and the soon to be demolished offices are just visible on the left
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The Arriva depot (not proudly showing the name) at Blyth. The e400 nearest had just deposited me and you can now see through the building as the far shed has gone.
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Evening sun at Nedderton
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Journey's end at Morpeth bus station


Newsham station is, of course, brand new and the design is fairly standard with footbridges and lifts etc. The onward travel map wasn't the clearest but I made my way to where I thought the bus might head from. I got to the bus stop and my iphone promptly died! There is no travel information in the cases, just a QR code. Brilliant. I walked up the road and then an X30 to Blyth passed me. Bugger! Thankfully, as I reached the next stop, another Arriva decker arrived for Blyth. This is the X10 but, as I discovered, it takes a circuitous route into Blyth via most of Newsham, obviously having replaced a former town service in that regard. It will certainly be interesting to see how the Northumberland line impacts the main Arriva services from Ashington and Blyth into Newcastle - I suspect some cutting back will happen. I arrived into the timewarp that is Blyth bus station - it barely changes from each time I go there. The adjoining depot has changed with part demolished to accommodate the Jesmond routes and in preparation for electric vehicles. My e400 was one of number sent north from Yorkshire and still has Max livery but it was pretty rough around the edges in comparison to the other Arriva fleet. It was a quick change and, one again, onto another nearly new e400mmc of Ashington depot - my fourth trip on that type of the day. By now, the sun was setting on a glorious day as we headed out towards Morpeth again. This route passes Bedlington station (the building work I'd seen earlier is continuing apace) and then through the town. At night, the route has an additional loop in Bedlington that adds even more time onto an already leisurely trip. Thus it was a decent load of passengers heading into Morpeth for sophisticated eating and drinking that disembarked in Morpeth.

I hope you enjoyed the read. Tickets were the TNE DaySaver (which I bought in case I headed to Newcastle) though a Northumberland one would've sufficed. Train fare cheap - Borders Buses expensive if you don't buy off the app in advance. The X74 fare was not bad as I believe it's a tendered service that combines £3 England fares with a Scottish component. Loadings were pretty decent with the exception of the X74 (though it had more than I expected), the 20 from Kelso, and the 777 which really is a waste of money. The weather was superb and whilst these are all places that I know reasonably well, it was still delightful to explore. The buses were all well turned out except the Arriva 58 plate in Blyth - very tired. And that's it - hope you liked it and that it prompts you to visit the far north of England.
 

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The Southern Vectis open top Needles Breezer service links Yarmouth, Freshwater, Totland and Alum Bay in the western part of the Isle of Wight, but to a different routing than the ‘normal’ 7 bus. The outbound leg runs inland through countryside from the northern to southern coastlines of the island to reach Freshwater Bay, the west to Freshwater and Totland. A large turning circle outside The Needles Landmark Attraction (a family attraction with rides, amusements, attractions and famous chairlift down to the beach) has several stops for the handful of routes that serve it. From here to the terminus at the Needles Battery the road is in places very narrow and steep, so buses are timed to pass here with layover time provided. One assumes the driver of the Needles-bound journey is instructed not to continue until the Yarmouth-bound journey has arrived.

The terminus at the Battery uses a semi circular shape in the wall to facilitate the turning of the bus. Buses then retrace their route back down the hill as far as Totland, where they then return direct to Yarmouth rather than via Freshwater and Freshwater Bay.

A round trip takes 1hr 20mins, with three buses providing a half-hourly frequency. Weekday May loadings were typically single figures around 10am increasing to around 25 by the time I headed back around 3pm. An audio commentary provides information about the areas you are travelling through and what to look out for.

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Optare Visionaire Scania with matching flower planter at Yarmouth

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Buses at Needles Landmark Attraction turning circle

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Top deck view climbing up to the two battery

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Hairpin bend on the climb up to the New Battery

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Optare Visionaire Scania at Needles New Battery near the former secret rocket launch site

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View of the bay and cliffs as a bus climbs up the hill

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A bus descending the hill passes a bus stop for the National Trust Old Battery

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The chairlift viewed from the beach

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The Needles, from which the bus route gets its name
 

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Border Country trip - part 2

The second half of the trip report begins in Jedburgh, having made my way from Morpeth via the coastal route to Alnwick. Having gone inland on the fast route because of time considerations, it had then been an expensive trip to Kelso (yes, only realised on paying the driver that there's a large cost benefit in buying on Border Buses' app) before the short hop to Jedburgh. A relaxed lunch was followed by a stroll around Jedburgh which is a typical Borders town and was a regular stopping point when my family used to head north to visit relatives. Hence, Jedburgh bus stance will always be indelibly linked with memories of green and white Seddons. Nowadays, it is home to Border Buses running in from Gala/Newton, and Peter Hogg who runs the Hawick to Kelso service that I'd arrived on. Having had a rest, bus and driver were now readied and so I was reunited with my e200mmc to head south on the X74 (as many had guessed). The earlier run arrived with about 8 passengers, and we had a similar number heading south with a few suitcases carried on both loads (so people using it for Newcastle Airport even if it doesn't serve it directly?).

One poster has mentioned the views north from Carter Bar. As we were heading south, and the A68 slaloms to the submit, it required much craning of necks to enjoy that view. It really is a stunning ascent and, to be fair, the views from above and then the descent back into England are also pretty special. The e200mmc was a bit underpowered but it managed ok and then we were scooting along the edge of Catcleugh Reservoir and then past the Snaiths depot in Otterburn. I always forget just how far it is in the wilds. The X74 really is a fabulous route - I doubt it will ever be sustainable but it is one of those routes where it can be legitimately argued that there is a need, and not just for enthusiasts having a day out or a "nice to have".

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View north from Carter Bar - you can see the A68 hairpin beneath

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The views north are stunning

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Speeding past a depleted Catcleugh Reservoir

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Outside the Pele Tower in Ponteland

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Goodbye to our old friend - it had taken us from Kelso to Ponteland


Eventually, we arrived into Ponteland where the affluence of the area was apparent in the people quaffing outside various bars. As one person guessed, it was a quick change here and onto the 777 to Morpeth, though not before I had chance to read about the Vicar's Pele Tower - in the lawless borders, many places had these defensive structures; a bit like a communal panic room where people could congregate. I had already travelled on the 777 last year and I can't see it surviving the loss of BSIP funds. There was one other passenger on this journey and I doubt it gets double figures on any journey except schools. Still, the Arriva Pulsar was a decent enough machine as we exited through Ponteland and headed back to Northumberland's county town.

Arrival at Morpeth might have been the end of the day but I had one more excursion to tick off. So it was onto another Arriva e400mmc for the trip to Ashington. This is one of those routes that is every 20 mins on a weekday but is every 30 on a Saturday. Moreover, we had 4 Arriva drivers who'd clearly finished their duties in Morpeth and were then heading back as passengers to Ashington depot; they were busy chatting about golf days and holidays and seemed pretty chirpy. Their colleague dropped them off near the depot whilst we proceeded to Ashington bus station - a rudimentary affair and the third Ashington bus station I've known. I wandered off to get a drink from a shop, and then headed to the latest development in Northumbrian public transport - the rail line to Newcastle. Ashington station is a basic affair and the 1960s office block adjacent is being pulled apart as they try to redevelop the area. Ashington is one of those towns where the tide really has gone out. I paid £1.60 to have a short trip to Newsham to experience a bit of the line, whilst two young ladies talked about their respective tattoos. There were also plenty of people heading early into Newcastle for a night out, passing by those arriving who'd already enjoyed the city.

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End of the line at Ashington - the lines do continue north, and the soon to be demolished offices are just visible on the left
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The Arriva depot (not proudly showing the name) at Blyth. The e400 nearest had just deposited me and you can now see through the building as the far shed has gone.
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Evening sun at Nedderton
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Journey's end at Morpeth bus station


Newsham station is, of course, brand new and the design is fairly standard with footbridges and lifts etc. The onward travel map wasn't the clearest but I made my way to where I thought the bus might head from. I got to the bus stop and my iphone promptly died! There is no travel information in the cases, just a QR code. Brilliant. I walked up the road and then an X30 to Blyth passed me. Bugger! Thankfully, as I reached the next stop, another Arriva decker arrived for Blyth. This is the X10 but, as I discovered, it takes a circuitous route into Blyth via most of Newsham, obviously having replaced a former town service in that regard. It will certainly be interesting to see how the Northumberland line impacts the main Arriva services from Ashington and Blyth into Newcastle - I suspect some cutting back will happen. I arrived into the timewarp that is Blyth bus station - it barely changes from each time I go there. The adjoining depot has changed with part demolished to accommodate the Jesmond routes and in preparation for electric vehicles. My e400 was one of number sent north from Yorkshire and still has Max livery but it was pretty rough around the edges in comparison to the other Arriva fleet. It was a quick change and, one again, onto another nearly new e400mmc of Ashington depot - my fourth trip on that type of the day. By now, the sun was setting on a glorious day as we headed out towards Morpeth again. This route passes Bedlington station (the building work I'd seen earlier is continuing apace) and then through the town. At night, the route has an additional loop in Bedlington that adds even more time onto an already leisurely trip. Thus it was a decent load of passengers heading into Morpeth for sophisticated eating and drinking that disembarked in Morpeth.

I hope you enjoyed the read. Tickets were the TNE DaySaver (which I bought in case I headed to Newcastle) though a Northumberland one would've sufficed. Train fare cheap - Borders Buses expensive if you don't buy off the app in advance. The X74 fare was not bad as I believe it's a tendered service that combines £3 England fares with a Scottish component. Loadings were pretty decent with the exception of the X74 (though it had more than I expected), the 20 from Kelso, and the 777 which really is a waste of money. The weather was superb and whilst these are all places that I know reasonably well, it was still delightful to explore. The buses were all well turned out except the Arriva 58 plate in Blyth - very tired. And that's it - hope you liked it and that it prompts you to visit the far north of England.

Very interesting to read the two instalments reporting on your trip to the Borders. As I said I would really like to do something similar and I have it planned, just need the opportunity and the weather. My plan is the same way round as yours but I ought to look to see if I can do it the other way to get Carter Bar northwards. I have done the Ashington routes (but not the railway) before the 72-plates arrived, the previous batch for the X routes seemed pretty good, but they were getting tired. Some old junk on other routes then, notably the 35.

When I did my Borders trip from Berwick to Peebles, Edinburgh, North Berwick and Dunbar I did buy a Borders Buses ticket on the App as it seemed by far the cheapest way.

Fabulous scenery on this trip and great pictures.

As for the Needles and the report from @flangesqueal, this open top route really is a must! Good to post a report with so many photos.
 

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Very interesting to read the two instalments reporting on your trip to the Borders. As I said I would really like to do something similar and I have it planned, just need the opportunity and the weather. My plan is the same way round as yours but I ought to look to see if I can do it the other way to get Carter Bar northwards. I have done the Ashington routes (but not the railway) before the 72-plates arrived, the previous batch for the X routes seemed pretty good, but they were getting tired. Some old junk on other routes then, notably the 35.

When I did my Borders trip from Berwick to Peebles, Edinburgh, North Berwick and Dunbar I did buy a Borders Buses ticket on the App as it seemed by far the cheapest way.

Fabulous scenery on this trip and great pictures.

As for the Needles and the report from @flangesqueal, this open top route really is a must! Good to post a report with so many photos.
Seconded on the report from @Flange Squeal on the Needles. Did it a long time ago (2012 - still using Olympians then) as part of a Jubilee weekend trip to the IOW. Have to agree on the quality of the photos - cracking ones and really does showcase that route.


To follow up to @RELL6L, I'd toyed with the Border Buses app and if I'd have known how much the on-bus cost was, I'd have definitely done that! The 35 still generally gets the older stuff but it's now ten year old e400s. The junk is now mainly at Blyth depot with some pretty tired e400s and Daf DB300s - I assume that new EVs are awaited to sweep some of those away. However, I do wonder if the Northumberland train line will impact services so that route rationalisation might also claim a few?

Look forward to seeing your X74 report when you get time.
 

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A brief report on a few glorious days on the Clyde Coast last week by bus, train and ferry, based at Largs. The itineraries were as follows:

Day One after travel to Largs:
  • Ferry Largs to Cumbrae Slip
  • Millport Motors to Millport (EvoRa)
  • return by the same routes
Day Two:
  • McGill's 901 to Gourock (Citaro)
  • CalMac ferry to Kilcreggan
  • Wilson's of Rhu 316 Kilcreggan to Helensburgh (Solo)
  • Garelochhead Minibus & Coach 302 Helensburgh to Luss (Sprinter)
  • McColl's 305 Luss to Balloch (E200)
  • Trains Balloch to Glasgow, Glasgow to Largs
Day Three
  • McGill's 901 to McInroy's Point (Citaro)
  • Western Ferries to Hunter's Quay
  • Walk to Dunoon Town Centre, via WMC Depot
  • West Coast Motors 489 round trip Dunoon to Toward Castle (Metrocity)
  • West Coast Motors 478 Dunoon to Portavadie (Solo)
  • West Coast Motors 478 Portavadie to Colintraive (Solo)
  • CalMac ferry Colintraive to Rhubodach (Bute)
  • West Coast Motors 490 Rhubodach to Rothesay (E200)
  • CalMac ferry to Wemyss Bay
  • McGill's 906 to Wemyss Bay to Largs (Citaro)
Shortage of time restricts me to a few highlights, but among them were:
  • Millport and the iconic Millport Motors service is always worth the trip, I do it at least three times a year and I live in London... Excellent pub grub in the little Victorian town before returning.
  • McGill's 901 is the scenic option on the Clyde Coast Flyers, taking the coast route with lots to see.
  • The journey on Wilson's and Garelochhead joint service 316 was, as always, very busy, with superb views round Loch Gare, including across to the sub base at Faslane, and passing both operators' depots.
  • Helensburgh to Luss on the very sparse service that continues to Carrick Castle was a spirited ride on a smart Sprinter, packed with folks headed for the pier, beach and Loch Lomond ferries at Luss.
  • West Coast Motors fine old depot at Dunoon, complete with spotless fleet. Later in the day, the Bute depot at Port Bannatyne, as originally owned and used by the Rothesay Tramways undertaking, a true relic.
  • Toward Castle is the ultimate terminus of the main WCM service across Dunoon, but most journeys stop short of there. Superb views across the Clyde.
  • The 478 is tenuous and difficult to plan, but in my view one of the great rural services; we were on it for the best part of two and a half hours, and it is very tightly timed. Travelling out to the remote Portavadie ferry terminal, from where CalMac operate to Kintyre, then back to Colintraive, which had already been served outwards, but returning there by a different route, with all the schoolday variations, affords many gems. Astonishing views from high up above the Kyles of Bute, as the bus slowly passes the viewpoints; no less than five double runs at various points, including one into the tiny remote Kilmodan Primary School; and a journey to drop the pupils off along what is technically a B road but in fact little more than a single carriageway rutted track.
 

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Some great reports to catch up on. I need to get back to Northumberland to do the routes to Wooler and from there to Berwick. I have done the coastal X18 but not the X15.

Yesterday I took the X94 from Middlesborough to Whitby and 840 service down to York. The 840 has been on my list for a long time and I have complted the other route 843 in stages over the years.

The day started at Middlesborough Bus Station which I visited a only a few times. Its one of the them bus stations which plays music like Derby. I was expecting a double decker for the X94 but a Solar turned up for the 0845 to Whitby.

The route became scenic as expected after Guisborough with a steep incline up onto the moor. This is the inland route as the X4 goes coastal which is on my list. After an hour we dropped into a busy Whitby.

I had 90 minutes in Whitby before I would catch the 840. Whitby was certainly busy as the sun was out. I took a wonder around the harbour and the railway station.

The 840 was boarding around 15 minutes before departure, its usually the opposite with boarding last minute for buses! The bus was hot as there was no air flow. At £3 in England for bus fares, its good value. This was certainly a scenic ride with sweeping views of the moors and the road ahead. Goathland looked a very nice village to spend the afternoon. Thornton le dale was also very pretty.

At Malton there was a driver swap and not a bus swap we were warned that was going to happen. The last section to York was on the busy A64 and I got off in York to find some lunch.

I still have loads of routes and areas to explore in York. I have recently travelled on the 59, 64 and 36 over Harrogate and Skipton way.
 

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