Very envious! Apart from Ardrossan to Largs to Greenock in the rain 20 years ago I have done none of these, although have taken the car to Bute using both the Rothesay and Rhubadoch ferries. They all sound fabulous, I doubt that I will ever do most of these. Day three looks very adventurous, if the connections and ferries hadn't worked you could have been somewhat stuck at Rhubadoch! Would the 490 wait for the ferry?
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Very envious! Apart from Ardrossan to Largs to Greenock in the rain 20 years ago I have done none of these, although have taken the car to Bute using both the Rothesay and Rhubadoch ferries. They all sound fabulous, I doubt that I will ever do most of these. Day three looks very adventurous, if the connections and ferries hadn't worked you could have been somewhat stuck at Rhubadoch! Would the 490 wait for the ferry?
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Bedford OB
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Thanks, yes, I have done a bit of risk-taking over the years when it comes to connections in the remoter parts of Scotland, but I guess it adds to the excitement. But it is the weather that made all the difference, such trips can be pretty miserable when you cannot see out of the window or are soaked through. I'll make sure to report further such trips. The bus does wait at Rhubodach - it only leaves for Rothesay when the ferry has arrived, set down/picked up, then departed, so all very disciplined there.
I remember taking a service that went from Dunoon to Rothesay that went on the ferry. I am thinking of going that way on the bus but don't want any long waits.
peterblue
Member
I think there used to be a direct bus as I was looking into that area a few years ago. You have to take 2 buses now to complete that journey (or go via the mainland with 2 ferries and 1 bus)
Bedford OB
Member
The only bus that goes across on the ferry now is the three times weekly (school days) 477 shoppers bus to Rothesay from Kames and Tighnabruaich. To do the through journey between Dunoon and Rothesay or vice versa requires a change either side of the ferry. I too have travelled the full journey, several times, when that was possible. The journey now requires planning, to use the limited 490 journeys that reach the ferry terminus at Rhubodach in Bute, and to use the 478 between Colintraive and Dunoon, or vice versa.
ChrisC
Established Member
Firstly @Bedford OB I also think that your Day 3 must have been an amazing day. The area around Dunoon and the roads out to Collintraive, Tignabruaich, Portavardie etc is somewhere I know very well. For 25 years, from 1993 to 2018, my sister lived around 10 miles out of Dunoon in a somewhat remote cottage. During those years I visited at least twice each year and explored the area by car and on foot quite extensively. I always drove up from Nottinghamshire and used my car whilst there. I have to admit that in all those 25 years I never once used a bus whilst up there. It’s now around 8 years since I was last up in that area and I do wonder if I will ever get to visit the area again.
Now to my main posting. At the beginning of last month I was down in East Sussex for a week, mostly using buses for days out visiting interesting locations in the area. I based myself in Eastbourne as I knew of a good hotel there where I had previously stayed around 10 years ago. Unlike my return to East Kent last year where I found a much reduced bus network, I did think there had been an uplift in bus services in East Sussex since my last visit. There did seem to have been an increase in frequency on some routes especially in the evenings.
Although the Stagecoach 99 bus, running from Eastbourne to Hastings, stopped right outside my hotel door, I used the train on a few occasions to travel quickly between Eastbourne and Hastings, because I remember from my previous visit that the 99 bus route can be a bit tedious if used regularly. It was a good 20 minutes walk from my hotel to Eastbourne railway station but very reasonable £1 fares for local journeys within Eastbourne enabled me to get a frequent bus to the station even before my ENCTS pass was valid at 0930.
DAY 1
My main destination on my first day were the gardens at Great Dixter near Northian, which is on the very infrequent Stagecoach 329 route between Hastings and Tenterden. There are only 3 buses a day which travel the whole route with an additional 4 buses which just run between Hastings and Northian. I needed to get the 1018 departure from Hastings and so used the train to reach Hastings rather than the 99 bus. There were only a handful of passengers on the single decker bus as it left Hastings but it did pick up a few more on its way out of town. The bus did take a long time to get out of Hastings running through a number of quite upmarket looking housing estates. After calling at the hospital it was around 25 minutes after leaving Hastings bus station before the bus actually left the built up area to run through some very attractive villages to Northian. After getting off the bus in Northian, on what was a very hot day, I walked the up lane to Great Dixter where I was to spend almost 3 hours looking around these wonderful gardens. I had seen them many times on tv and had always wanted to visit.
The gardens at Great Dixter
After visiting the gardens I walked back into the village to get the Stagecoach 313 bus for the short 25 minute journey to Rye. The 313 runs roughly 2 hourly between Rye and Northian. I have been to the historic town Rye on a number of pervious occasions, but it’s a town that I never tire of wandering around, or should I say considering its steep streets, climbing around. To get back to Hastings from Rye I had the difficult choice of whether to use the Stagecoach 100 or 101. Both run hourly with the 100 running through the lovely village of Winchelsea which I had stopped of at on a previous occasion visiting Spike Milligan’s grave in the churchyard there. I decided to get the 101 which does the coastal route through Winchelsea Beach, Pett Levels and Fairlight. There were some very good views from the top of the double decker as it climbed up from the flat Pett Levels towards Hastings. On reaching Hastings I used my return rail ticket to return to as far as Bexhill to get something to eat before using the 99 bus back to my hotel in Eastbourne.
Mermaid Street in Rye
DAY 2
My plan for this day was to visit Bodiam Castle which is only around 5 miles west of Great Dixter where I was the day before, but it is on a complete different bus route from Hastings. It was again train to Hastings and then the Stagecoach 349 bus which runs roughly every 2 hours between Hastings and Hawkhurst, which is just about a couple of miles over the border in Kent. The Kent and East Sussex Railway has stations at both Northian and Bodiam but as it was weekday out of season there were no trains. The 349 bus was almost 20 minutes late coming into Hastings from its inward journey and after picking up about half a dozen passengers quickly left. Again it was a Stagecoach single decker. The 349 did seem to get out of Hastings and into open countryside by a more direct route and after running through some very attractive villages and along some very narrow country lanes I got off opposite the entrance to Bodiam Castle around 20 minutes later than expected. Bodiam is a wonderful castle, absolutely traditional in appearance surrounded by a water filled moat. Even with my late arrival there was time to have a good look around the castle and enjoy a coffee and a cake in the National Trust cafe before getting the next bus towards Hawkhurst.
Bodiam Castle
The next bus was only around 5 minutes late but the combination of that and roadworks in Hawkhurst resulted in me missing the Stagecoach 1066 bus to Tunbridge Wells. With around 55 minutes to spare I had a good walk Hawkhurst including walking to the Hawkhurst Green area with its large village green and interesting church. From there I got the next 1066 via Wadhrust to Tunbridge Wells, another Stagecoach single but with more people aboard. I was intending visiting Tunbridge Wells the following day so didn't spend much time there before getting the Stagecoach 51 bus back to Eastbourne. The 51 bus passes through some lovely countryside of the Sussex Weald and through some very attractive towns and villages but it is a journey of almost 2 hours. Leaving Tunbridge Wells at around 4pm the bus was very busy especially with school children and it was again only a standard single decker which for large parts of the journey was very noisy and crowded. On reaching Hailsham, and with another 30 minutes to go, I’d had enough and got off for a drink and something to eat in what was quite a reasonable Wetherspoons.
From Hailsham back to Eastbourne I got the Brighton and Hove number 28, Regency Route, bus back into Eastbourne. This was again a well loaded bus but this time a double decker. I believe the 28 running between Eastbourne and Brighton via Lewis is quite a new route and seemed to be doing very well.
DAY 3
This was a day of travel mainly by train from Eastbourne to Tunbridge Wells stopping off at Battle to visit Battle Abbey and a walk Battle of Hastings site.
DAY 4
As this was Sunday and the May Day Bank Holiday weekend my plans were to use the Brighton and Hove 13X route to visit the area around and do some walking near Beachy Head. The 13X only runs at weekends and bank holidays and diverts off the main Eastbourne to Brighton route via Beachy Head and Birling Gap. There was a very large classic car rally on Eastbourne seafront so I had a look around that in the morning before getting a Brighton and Hove 13X double decker to Beachy Head. There are some wonderful views from the bus back toward Eastbourne as the bus climbs out of the town towards Beachy Head. The footpaths around Beachy Head were very busy but it was still enjoyable walking with some good views. I returned to the Beachy Head bus stop to join a long queue of people waiting for the 13X towards Brighton. I do like the coastal route between Eastbourne and Brighton so wanted to this just for scenic ride. It’s a great ride past the Severn Sisters Country Park and the coastal road into Brighton. The double bus was very busy but I managed to get a seat by the window upstairs on the coastal side. On reaching the bus stop at Birling Gap there were huge queues and the bus departed full leaving at least 30 people behind.
Beachy Head
Brighton on a hot Sunday afternoon was heaving but I did manage to find a good place in the Lanes to get a late afternoon Sunday roast before returning to Eastbourne on another very busy 13X.
DAY 5
May Day Bank Holiday Monday I began with a walk along the sea front and past the pier to a bus stop not far from the railway station. From here I caught a Cuckmere Valley Community Bus to the lovely historic downland village of Alfriston. They run quite a comprehensive network of buses around the villages in the South Downs around the Cuckmere Valley to the west of Eastbourne. Lots of their routes only run in certain days of the week and many just at weekends and bank holidays. They are operated by volunteer drivers. I got the 10am number 26:which runs on Sundays and Bank Holidays to Seaford via Alfriston. The minibus departed with just myself and a family with 2 children aboard. They got off at the Long Man of Wilmington leaving just myself on board to Alfriston.
The Cuckmere Valley
After having a walk around Alfriston village I set off to walk down the Cuckmere Valley to where the river flows into the sea at Cuckmere Haven at the Western end of the Severn Sisters. This is a walk that I last did around 40 years ago! I began by crossing the river and walking through the small villages of Lullington and Litlington before joining the footpath down the eastern bank of the river. The walk down the side of the river has changed very little but the whole area around the Severn Sisters Country Park is now very busy as the area is now within the South Downs National Park. My walk was around 7 miles including walking back to the bus stop at Exceat Bridge to get the Brighton and Hove bus 12 back into Eastbourne. Coming across the Long Man Brewery during my walk was an added bonus!
Cuckmere Haven
DAY 6
This was my final day and I caught the Stagecoach 99 bus, a double decker, from right outside my hotel to the village of Pevensey. In Pevensey I visited the the surprisingly large castle which is in the care of English Heritage. From there I got a Stagecoach number 8 bus through Pevensey Bay to Beachlands. This was one of the very small Stagecoach single deckers. I really must do bit of research to learn what models these buses are! Anyone who has read my reports will understand that I know nothing about types of buses but my interest is travelling on interesting routes especially in rural and scenic areas to visit interesting locations.
On arrival at Beachlands, an area of seaside houses and bungalows, set just back from the shingle beach between there and low lying marshland I set off to walk along the coast towards Normans Bay. This is so named because it is the stretch of where William the Conquerer and the Normans would have landed prior to the Battle of Hastings. After a few days of hot weather it was quite a cool windy day and along this otherwise quite built up coast Normans Bay seemed quite remote and somewhat desolate. I continued walking past Cooden Beach Station and eventually into Bexhill. I liked Bexhill with its Grade 1 listed modernist De La Warr Pavillion. From Bexhill I travelled back on the Stagecoach 53 bus to Eastbourne which takes a longer inland route through some attractive villages with good views from the top of the double decker over the edge of the weald and towards the south downs.
It was a good week down in East Sussex and good to return after around 10 years. My next trip is at the end of this month when I will be spending a few days based in Caernarfon. On the day I arrive I will attempt to purchase a Weekly Concessionary 1bws ticket from the driver on the Arriva bus from outside Bangor Station to Caernarfon.
Now to my main posting. At the beginning of last month I was down in East Sussex for a week, mostly using buses for days out visiting interesting locations in the area. I based myself in Eastbourne as I knew of a good hotel there where I had previously stayed around 10 years ago. Unlike my return to East Kent last year where I found a much reduced bus network, I did think there had been an uplift in bus services in East Sussex since my last visit. There did seem to have been an increase in frequency on some routes especially in the evenings.
Although the Stagecoach 99 bus, running from Eastbourne to Hastings, stopped right outside my hotel door, I used the train on a few occasions to travel quickly between Eastbourne and Hastings, because I remember from my previous visit that the 99 bus route can be a bit tedious if used regularly. It was a good 20 minutes walk from my hotel to Eastbourne railway station but very reasonable £1 fares for local journeys within Eastbourne enabled me to get a frequent bus to the station even before my ENCTS pass was valid at 0930.
DAY 1
My main destination on my first day were the gardens at Great Dixter near Northian, which is on the very infrequent Stagecoach 329 route between Hastings and Tenterden. There are only 3 buses a day which travel the whole route with an additional 4 buses which just run between Hastings and Northian. I needed to get the 1018 departure from Hastings and so used the train to reach Hastings rather than the 99 bus. There were only a handful of passengers on the single decker bus as it left Hastings but it did pick up a few more on its way out of town. The bus did take a long time to get out of Hastings running through a number of quite upmarket looking housing estates. After calling at the hospital it was around 25 minutes after leaving Hastings bus station before the bus actually left the built up area to run through some very attractive villages to Northian. After getting off the bus in Northian, on what was a very hot day, I walked the up lane to Great Dixter where I was to spend almost 3 hours looking around these wonderful gardens. I had seen them many times on tv and had always wanted to visit.
The gardens at Great Dixter
After visiting the gardens I walked back into the village to get the Stagecoach 313 bus for the short 25 minute journey to Rye. The 313 runs roughly 2 hourly between Rye and Northian. I have been to the historic town Rye on a number of pervious occasions, but it’s a town that I never tire of wandering around, or should I say considering its steep streets, climbing around. To get back to Hastings from Rye I had the difficult choice of whether to use the Stagecoach 100 or 101. Both run hourly with the 100 running through the lovely village of Winchelsea which I had stopped of at on a previous occasion visiting Spike Milligan’s grave in the churchyard there. I decided to get the 101 which does the coastal route through Winchelsea Beach, Pett Levels and Fairlight. There were some very good views from the top of the double decker as it climbed up from the flat Pett Levels towards Hastings. On reaching Hastings I used my return rail ticket to return to as far as Bexhill to get something to eat before using the 99 bus back to my hotel in Eastbourne.
Mermaid Street in Rye
DAY 2
My plan for this day was to visit Bodiam Castle which is only around 5 miles west of Great Dixter where I was the day before, but it is on a complete different bus route from Hastings. It was again train to Hastings and then the Stagecoach 349 bus which runs roughly every 2 hours between Hastings and Hawkhurst, which is just about a couple of miles over the border in Kent. The Kent and East Sussex Railway has stations at both Northian and Bodiam but as it was weekday out of season there were no trains. The 349 bus was almost 20 minutes late coming into Hastings from its inward journey and after picking up about half a dozen passengers quickly left. Again it was a Stagecoach single decker. The 349 did seem to get out of Hastings and into open countryside by a more direct route and after running through some very attractive villages and along some very narrow country lanes I got off opposite the entrance to Bodiam Castle around 20 minutes later than expected. Bodiam is a wonderful castle, absolutely traditional in appearance surrounded by a water filled moat. Even with my late arrival there was time to have a good look around the castle and enjoy a coffee and a cake in the National Trust cafe before getting the next bus towards Hawkhurst.
Bodiam Castle
The next bus was only around 5 minutes late but the combination of that and roadworks in Hawkhurst resulted in me missing the Stagecoach 1066 bus to Tunbridge Wells. With around 55 minutes to spare I had a good walk Hawkhurst including walking to the Hawkhurst Green area with its large village green and interesting church. From there I got the next 1066 via Wadhrust to Tunbridge Wells, another Stagecoach single but with more people aboard. I was intending visiting Tunbridge Wells the following day so didn't spend much time there before getting the Stagecoach 51 bus back to Eastbourne. The 51 bus passes through some lovely countryside of the Sussex Weald and through some very attractive towns and villages but it is a journey of almost 2 hours. Leaving Tunbridge Wells at around 4pm the bus was very busy especially with school children and it was again only a standard single decker which for large parts of the journey was very noisy and crowded. On reaching Hailsham, and with another 30 minutes to go, I’d had enough and got off for a drink and something to eat in what was quite a reasonable Wetherspoons.
From Hailsham back to Eastbourne I got the Brighton and Hove number 28, Regency Route, bus back into Eastbourne. This was again a well loaded bus but this time a double decker. I believe the 28 running between Eastbourne and Brighton via Lewis is quite a new route and seemed to be doing very well.
DAY 3
This was a day of travel mainly by train from Eastbourne to Tunbridge Wells stopping off at Battle to visit Battle Abbey and a walk Battle of Hastings site.
DAY 4
As this was Sunday and the May Day Bank Holiday weekend my plans were to use the Brighton and Hove 13X route to visit the area around and do some walking near Beachy Head. The 13X only runs at weekends and bank holidays and diverts off the main Eastbourne to Brighton route via Beachy Head and Birling Gap. There was a very large classic car rally on Eastbourne seafront so I had a look around that in the morning before getting a Brighton and Hove 13X double decker to Beachy Head. There are some wonderful views from the bus back toward Eastbourne as the bus climbs out of the town towards Beachy Head. The footpaths around Beachy Head were very busy but it was still enjoyable walking with some good views. I returned to the Beachy Head bus stop to join a long queue of people waiting for the 13X towards Brighton. I do like the coastal route between Eastbourne and Brighton so wanted to this just for scenic ride. It’s a great ride past the Severn Sisters Country Park and the coastal road into Brighton. The double bus was very busy but I managed to get a seat by the window upstairs on the coastal side. On reaching the bus stop at Birling Gap there were huge queues and the bus departed full leaving at least 30 people behind.
Beachy Head
Brighton on a hot Sunday afternoon was heaving but I did manage to find a good place in the Lanes to get a late afternoon Sunday roast before returning to Eastbourne on another very busy 13X.
DAY 5
May Day Bank Holiday Monday I began with a walk along the sea front and past the pier to a bus stop not far from the railway station. From here I caught a Cuckmere Valley Community Bus to the lovely historic downland village of Alfriston. They run quite a comprehensive network of buses around the villages in the South Downs around the Cuckmere Valley to the west of Eastbourne. Lots of their routes only run in certain days of the week and many just at weekends and bank holidays. They are operated by volunteer drivers. I got the 10am number 26:which runs on Sundays and Bank Holidays to Seaford via Alfriston. The minibus departed with just myself and a family with 2 children aboard. They got off at the Long Man of Wilmington leaving just myself on board to Alfriston.
The Cuckmere Valley
After having a walk around Alfriston village I set off to walk down the Cuckmere Valley to where the river flows into the sea at Cuckmere Haven at the Western end of the Severn Sisters. This is a walk that I last did around 40 years ago! I began by crossing the river and walking through the small villages of Lullington and Litlington before joining the footpath down the eastern bank of the river. The walk down the side of the river has changed very little but the whole area around the Severn Sisters Country Park is now very busy as the area is now within the South Downs National Park. My walk was around 7 miles including walking back to the bus stop at Exceat Bridge to get the Brighton and Hove bus 12 back into Eastbourne. Coming across the Long Man Brewery during my walk was an added bonus!
Cuckmere Haven
DAY 6
This was my final day and I caught the Stagecoach 99 bus, a double decker, from right outside my hotel to the village of Pevensey. In Pevensey I visited the the surprisingly large castle which is in the care of English Heritage. From there I got a Stagecoach number 8 bus through Pevensey Bay to Beachlands. This was one of the very small Stagecoach single deckers. I really must do bit of research to learn what models these buses are! Anyone who has read my reports will understand that I know nothing about types of buses but my interest is travelling on interesting routes especially in rural and scenic areas to visit interesting locations.
On arrival at Beachlands, an area of seaside houses and bungalows, set just back from the shingle beach between there and low lying marshland I set off to walk along the coast towards Normans Bay. This is so named because it is the stretch of where William the Conquerer and the Normans would have landed prior to the Battle of Hastings. After a few days of hot weather it was quite a cool windy day and along this otherwise quite built up coast Normans Bay seemed quite remote and somewhat desolate. I continued walking past Cooden Beach Station and eventually into Bexhill. I liked Bexhill with its Grade 1 listed modernist De La Warr Pavillion. From Bexhill I travelled back on the Stagecoach 53 bus to Eastbourne which takes a longer inland route through some attractive villages with good views from the top of the double decker over the edge of the weald and towards the south downs.
It was a good week down in East Sussex and good to return after around 10 years. My next trip is at the end of this month when I will be spending a few days based in Caernarfon. On the day I arrive I will attempt to purchase a Weekly Concessionary 1bws ticket from the driver on the Arriva bus from outside Bangor Station to Caernarfon.
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JGurney
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Not so much a trip as a misadventure report, especially as we ended up going home by rail.
The semaphore tower on Ockham Common, Surrey, had an open day on Sunday. My wife and I were staying in Teddington at the time and went to visit.
We got the Falcon 715 from Kingston intending to get off at the Ockham Park stop, or the Wisley Lane stop if that proved to be back in existence. (Falcon's own online map showed it in use, but neither Google Maps nor Bustimes showed it, and as it had been closed on the last occasion we went that way I was dubious). The ride from Kingston went well until we reached Wisley Common. As suspected, the former Wisley Lane stop was not restored: in fact it had been obliterated by a new overbridge built on it's site. That was as anticipated so I rang the bell for Ockham Park. On reaching that stop, we saw that it was coned off as part of roadworks. This was more worrying but I assumed at first that there would be a replacement stop, probably opposite the northbound stop beyond the roundabout. However the driver refused a plea to stop there, saying the stop was closed, and carried us a mile further to the next stop at Ripley Post Office. He stated that the Ockham Park northbound stop was in use and suggested we caught another bus back there. Having alighted we saw a poster at the stop stating that while Ockham Park and Wisley Lane stops were closed there would be a "minibus shuttle" between this stop (Ripley Post Office) and Wisley RHS Gardens, with frequency "depending on traffic". The notice was dated Feb 2024, so we were unsure whether this 'shuttle' still existed. A search online found no reference to it. We also established that there was a White Bus 462 coming in 30mins which would call at Wisley Gardens, so we decided to get whichever came first. The Wisley Gardens stop should have been nearer to our goal than Ockham Park. No shuttle appears but the 462 was on time and carried us to Wisley Gardens (of course requiring another fare each). On route we passed the Ockham Park northbound stop, noticing that while the layby was accessible there was a plastic bag taped over the bus stop flag. Alighting at Wisley Gardens I asked the driver about the stop: he said he had no instruction not to stop there, and would stop if requested, but he was not sure if other drivers would.
We set off to walk to the semaphore tower, but found that the direct footpath route to Ockham Common was blocked by a temporary road construction depot. To get around that we had to walk three-quarters of a mile back along the 462 route until we reached the site of Ockham Park southbound stop, where we had been unable to get off the passing 715 an hour earlier. From there we could take the footpath route planned in the first place.
Being left unsure whether the 715 would pick us up at Ockham Park northbound stop, given it's plastic-wrapped condition, we gave up on the buses and after reaching the semaphore tower and taking the interesting opportunity to see the views from the top, we walked the longer way to Effingham Junction station for a train back.
Not an experience that would encourage a novice to try using buses again.
The semaphore tower on Ockham Common, Surrey, had an open day on Sunday. My wife and I were staying in Teddington at the time and went to visit.
We got the Falcon 715 from Kingston intending to get off at the Ockham Park stop, or the Wisley Lane stop if that proved to be back in existence. (Falcon's own online map showed it in use, but neither Google Maps nor Bustimes showed it, and as it had been closed on the last occasion we went that way I was dubious). The ride from Kingston went well until we reached Wisley Common. As suspected, the former Wisley Lane stop was not restored: in fact it had been obliterated by a new overbridge built on it's site. That was as anticipated so I rang the bell for Ockham Park. On reaching that stop, we saw that it was coned off as part of roadworks. This was more worrying but I assumed at first that there would be a replacement stop, probably opposite the northbound stop beyond the roundabout. However the driver refused a plea to stop there, saying the stop was closed, and carried us a mile further to the next stop at Ripley Post Office. He stated that the Ockham Park northbound stop was in use and suggested we caught another bus back there. Having alighted we saw a poster at the stop stating that while Ockham Park and Wisley Lane stops were closed there would be a "minibus shuttle" between this stop (Ripley Post Office) and Wisley RHS Gardens, with frequency "depending on traffic". The notice was dated Feb 2024, so we were unsure whether this 'shuttle' still existed. A search online found no reference to it. We also established that there was a White Bus 462 coming in 30mins which would call at Wisley Gardens, so we decided to get whichever came first. The Wisley Gardens stop should have been nearer to our goal than Ockham Park. No shuttle appears but the 462 was on time and carried us to Wisley Gardens (of course requiring another fare each). On route we passed the Ockham Park northbound stop, noticing that while the layby was accessible there was a plastic bag taped over the bus stop flag. Alighting at Wisley Gardens I asked the driver about the stop: he said he had no instruction not to stop there, and would stop if requested, but he was not sure if other drivers would.
We set off to walk to the semaphore tower, but found that the direct footpath route to Ockham Common was blocked by a temporary road construction depot. To get around that we had to walk three-quarters of a mile back along the 462 route until we reached the site of Ockham Park southbound stop, where we had been unable to get off the passing 715 an hour earlier. From there we could take the footpath route planned in the first place.
Being left unsure whether the 715 would pick us up at Ockham Park northbound stop, given it's plastic-wrapped condition, we gave up on the buses and after reaching the semaphore tower and taking the interesting opportunity to see the views from the top, we walked the longer way to Effingham Junction station for a train back.
Not an experience that would encourage a novice to try using buses again.
TheGrandWazoo
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Been a bit busy and away for a few weeks so tardy in my responses to some lovely trip reports.
First of all, I shall join the collective envy of @Bedford OB and their trip to the Clyde Coast. I've only ever visited a couple of times and the only one of any duration was as part of a cycling holiday where a trip started and finished in Largs (lovely place) and necessitated a trip on the 585 from Ardrossan (more rugged type of place) to get back after a mechanical issue in Campbeltown. The views from the coast to Arran were superb and imagine the scenery around Dunoon was very engaging.
More recently, I visited Sussex last year. A few of the places that @ChrisC visited were on my itinerary but I applaud the sheer amount of places you explored by public transport. Brighton & Hove are a great operator and i believe Cuckmere CB is a very well run operation. Great photos too.
Shame that @JGurney had such problems with Wisley. I assume it's all to do with the rebuilding of the junction that is in no way to support the wholesale redevelopment of the former nearby air base
Shame too as Surrey CC and Falcon are usually very good at providing info. At least you got home ok.
Looking forward to seeing more trip reports and sharing one of my own soon.
First of all, I shall join the collective envy of @Bedford OB and their trip to the Clyde Coast. I've only ever visited a couple of times and the only one of any duration was as part of a cycling holiday where a trip started and finished in Largs (lovely place) and necessitated a trip on the 585 from Ardrossan (more rugged type of place) to get back after a mechanical issue in Campbeltown. The views from the coast to Arran were superb and imagine the scenery around Dunoon was very engaging.
More recently, I visited Sussex last year. A few of the places that @ChrisC visited were on my itinerary but I applaud the sheer amount of places you explored by public transport. Brighton & Hove are a great operator and i believe Cuckmere CB is a very well run operation. Great photos too.
Shame that @JGurney had such problems with Wisley. I assume it's all to do with the rebuilding of the junction that is in no way to support the wholesale redevelopment of the former nearby air base
Shame too as Surrey CC and Falcon are usually very good at providing info. At least you got home ok.Looking forward to seeing more trip reports and sharing one of my own soon.
Flange Squeal
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A couple of days in the Peak District while the weather was nice but before the mahem of summer holidays allowed me the chance to visit Crich Tramway Village on Tuesday and use the Peak Sightseer bus on Wednesday (yesterday by time I’m writing this!).
I opted to stay in Baslow, not because of the Hulleys link (although I did take a gander at the empty depot and its neighbouring cows!) but because the first Blue Peak Sightseer of the day towards Mam Tour skips the tourist trap of Chatsworth on its way from Chesterfield, so I thought it might be a less busy one. This proved a good idea as I got my preferred open top bus seats at the back of top deck and, even later on the return journey, it was never near full. By contrast, the 1000/1100 from Chatsworth we passed on the way all looked packed! The bus was around 15 mins late but arrived at Mam Tour only 3 late (1013), but for reasons I never did fathom didn’t leave Mam Tour until 1030 (vice 1020). The driver did tell us we wouldn’t be leaving until then though, so had time to enjoy the view and sheep baa-ing. Winnats Pass was certainly an interesting view from a bus, I thought most dramatic on the return.
The Enviro 400, 15718 (YN60 CKP), got us to Chatsworth around 7 mins later than the booked 1138, but still in time to hop abroad sister 15717 (YN60 CKO) for a lap of the circular 1155 Red route to Bakewell and Ashford in the Water.
After returning to Chatsworth and spending a very warm and sunny afternoon walking around the gardens, it was time to head back to the hotel on the 1600 Blue route. I was pleased to get Trident 18304 (WA05 MHJ) for the 10 minute hop to Baslow. Unlike the Enviros though, this didn’t have audio commentary.
The buses were all smart in the attractive livery and clean inside, and both drivers (same driver did my 1155 Red and 1600 Blue trips) were very friendly and drove well. The first bus was only printing the right hand side of tickets though, with the driver having to write the dates on in biro which, despite looking suss, didn’t cause any issues and made our second driver laugh. I’d very much recommend a trip, but based on the 1000/1100 observations and queue for the 1300, the Blue in particular can be a squeeze on nice days so get in the queue with time to spare at Chatsworth! The Reds I saw still had decent loadings but not rammed today.
I opted to stay in Baslow, not because of the Hulleys link (although I did take a gander at the empty depot and its neighbouring cows!) but because the first Blue Peak Sightseer of the day towards Mam Tour skips the tourist trap of Chatsworth on its way from Chesterfield, so I thought it might be a less busy one. This proved a good idea as I got my preferred open top bus seats at the back of top deck and, even later on the return journey, it was never near full. By contrast, the 1000/1100 from Chatsworth we passed on the way all looked packed! The bus was around 15 mins late but arrived at Mam Tour only 3 late (1013), but for reasons I never did fathom didn’t leave Mam Tour until 1030 (vice 1020). The driver did tell us we wouldn’t be leaving until then though, so had time to enjoy the view and sheep baa-ing. Winnats Pass was certainly an interesting view from a bus, I thought most dramatic on the return.
The Enviro 400, 15718 (YN60 CKP), got us to Chatsworth around 7 mins later than the booked 1138, but still in time to hop abroad sister 15717 (YN60 CKO) for a lap of the circular 1155 Red route to Bakewell and Ashford in the Water.
After returning to Chatsworth and spending a very warm and sunny afternoon walking around the gardens, it was time to head back to the hotel on the 1600 Blue route. I was pleased to get Trident 18304 (WA05 MHJ) for the 10 minute hop to Baslow. Unlike the Enviros though, this didn’t have audio commentary.
The buses were all smart in the attractive livery and clean inside, and both drivers (same driver did my 1155 Red and 1600 Blue trips) were very friendly and drove well. The first bus was only printing the right hand side of tickets though, with the driver having to write the dates on in biro which, despite looking suss, didn’t cause any issues and made our second driver laugh. I’d very much recommend a trip, but based on the 1000/1100 observations and queue for the 1300, the Blue in particular can be a squeeze on nice days so get in the queue with time to spare at Chatsworth! The Reds I saw still had decent loadings but not rammed today.
TheGrandWazoo
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Great report from @Flange Squeal - I haven't made it up to Derbyshire for a while and feel I'm missing out. Others have previously highlighted the scenery and quality of service on the Peak Explorer and now getting serious FOMO!!
I do have another trip report to share of my own. As is often the case, it involved being in some former mining area (!) and also played into my love of South Wales. However, it was slightly less ambitious than normal but I hope you enjoy the report. PS - for those of a nervous disposition, there is a lot of Wright Streetlite action as these dominate the First Cymru fleet.
I began my day in Ammanford, parking up in the free car park near the station. Ammanford used to have two bus depots (or three if you include nearby Tycroes) with a combined depot/bus station where the current bus station/Coop store is. Sadly, the weather wasn't as good as predicted and I began the day in a steady drizzle. The first bus of the day was a Wright Streetlite that had been reallocated west last year but still had Neath and Port Talbot fleetnames. We were visiting neither, heading on the 129 to Carmarthen. There was a decent load on the two hourly service that combines with the Llanelli route to provide an hourly headway out of Ammanford. Now, hard to believe, but I was pleasantly surprised by this Streetlite - no telltale rattles from the usual spots, reasonable ride quality. What I didn't know was that it was a reunion having travelled on the same vehicle a few years earlier near Neath. It's now ten years old and to be honest, the interior has stood up pretty well and was reasonably tidy. Sadly, the weather was gloomy and I didn't get the best view but reckon it's probably a lovely trip on a nice day. Sadly, as we arrived, a warning buzzer began sounding and whilst our driver got us to the bus station, I think that was the end of the day for our vehicle. Carmarthen is a town I know very well - the mother in law used to live nearby so I had no wish to suffer the drizzle and explore, grabbing a coffee and bacon sandwich and then heading to the 195 to Llanelli. This was a Streetlite from the same batch, again reallocated from Port Talbot but sadly, it was a lesser example. The incessant rattling of the emergency door handle was back to annoy me and our young driver seemed to be unable to keep to time whilst observing near constant changes in speed limits. Such is Wales. We also had two "out and back" deviations in Pontyberem (a large village that once had a Western Welsh outstation, I believe) and then Ponthenri of which neither involved losing or gaining passengers. Hence we were about 10 mins late into the bus station in Llanelli.
Second bus of the day arrives - bit damp in Carmarthen
Llanelli is one of those places where the trials of modern day bus operation seem starkest. The town has been hollowed out courtesy of a large out of town complex with plentiful car parking that has led to the decline of the traditional high street. Llanelli did get some redevelopment and that included a new bus station about 15 years ago, replacing the old depressing facility with a new one nearby. Similarly, First's presence has ebbed away following the downgrading and closure of Llanelli depot. The former travel office is still maintained as a welfare facility but looks tired and jaded. One thing that I've never noticed until now though... All of Carmarthen's bus stations have automated barriers to restrict access... Seen them before but never twigged. I had chance to get coffee and checked on my next bus, the 111 to Swansea. I was quite shocked to see it was one of the few deckers in First Cymru's fleet - numbers had swelled a few years ago but have now declined. 36242 was one new to Leeds, passed via Sheffield, Worcester and Weston super Mare to end up in Swansea. As a consequence, it's not been loved and just feels tired. These vehicles really should have been refurbished (as some were) but are probably now too old to justify the expenditure. Shame as it was a decent trip as we made our way via the aforementioned retail park and then across the estuary and towards Gorseinon before we then did a deviation around Penlan to descend into Swansea. At least the drizzle had given way and the day was getting much brighter.
A little bit of sun in Swansea and my only decker of the day
The former United Welsh bus station in Singleton Street, Swansea (next to the current bus station)
Pulling away up the hill in Townhill - it's old home can be worked out!
Moody monochrome from Townhill - there wasn't that much colour as it was!
Ordinarily, I'd have had a more detailed explore of Swansea but I had a couple of things that I wanted to tick off. So it was an exit off my decker and onto another old friend, a Streetlite that I'd previously travelled on in Worcester; it had been moved over a year earlier but still has Worcester fleetnames! I wanted to experience the climb up to Townhill, an estate above the city accessed by a punishing climb. To be fair, the little Streetlite was fine with the 10% incline and I had chance to take a few moody panoramic shots of the city and Swansea Bay before returning back to the city centre. After a short wander, I headed to the bus station and had a trip out to Oystermouth. This again highlighted another issue with Welsh bus services. Covid and its aftermath was really badly handled in terms of funding by the Government, as they sought to exercise central control, at least in my opinion. When funding began to decline and passenger numbers didn't return, many services were either withdrawn or had their frequencies cut. Some cuts around Swansea were swingeing, such as Townhill (now partially reversed). I may be wrong but I think the routes to Oystermouth were similarly affected so the 1, 2 and 3A comprise a 15 min headway but in truth, the direct route 2 is half hourly and takes 22 mins, and the others are hourly (combined half hourly) but diverted via Singleton taking 42 mins. I took the direct 2 to Oystermouth on my sole e200 of the day and enjoyed a nice wander around the pleasant town before deciding to head back. Lovely views across Swansea Bay and down to the Mumbles (which I would recommend that people visit). There's also a castle to explore, a walk along the seafront back towards Swansea, and it's an affluent place with nice shops and bars.
Across to the Mumbles taken from what had been Oystermouth bus station
My steed back to Swansea descending the main street in Oystermouth
Here's the thing - the journey length disparity there's no 15 min headway on the return. Instead its a slow bus, then a fast 10 mins later, then 20 mins later a slow and a fast arrive almost together, and then a 30 min gap. It really should be a straight forward 20 min fast link (and let the slower ones do their job) but First can't make it pay on the pass remuneration. I decided to take the longer trip in any case and had a circuitous trip around a former council estate and Singleton Hospital/Campus where the former ftr signs still advertise the 4 service that used to have Streetcars. Perhaps this is the thing... in the early 1990s, SWT and the Council were great at bus priority and investment. It feels that First burnt through a lot of goodwill with the ill-fated ftr adventure which was doomed to failure. Now there's some residual bus lanes but otherwise, its a scratchy First operation and local/national government that is performative in its public transport commitment - big on TrawsCymru and SW Metro but this corner feels neglected all round.
It was time to head back to Ammanford. Rather than waiting for 45 mins, I got the X13a shortworking that would take me to Pontardulais. In fact, it would take me almost to Ammanford but only to Tycroes depot which was arguably a worst destination. The X13a was worked by a former Fareham Solo. Not having travelled on this route before, it wasn't long before we were diverting around random areas of Swansea (Cockett?). Again, I'm guessing that this covers another withdrawn route, on a service that was once the direct X13 every 20 mins and is now an hourly direct run and the slower X13a - more evidence of paring back of frequencies and diversions to cover other routes? The Solo was a decent machine and got me into Pontardulais on time on what had been a reasonably loaded service for a late Saturday afternoon. However, the times on a Saturday are the same as a weekday (peak) so we sat for 5 mins on the main road in order to keep to time. The town itself is a real quiet affair, being a dormitory town for Swansea and being close to the M4. I went to Tesco, used their toilets, had a wander, and then discovered the bus stops had no timetables but was comfortable I was ok for the last bus. And so it was, a last Streetlite of the day and a former Southampton vehicle, it's red livery almost fitting in with the now redundant First Cymru scheme. At last, we had blue skies and beautiful scenery as we climbed out of the town by the River Loughor and then via a never ending 20 mph limit in Llanedi and over the top to Tycroes where a driver change took place, and then dropped me into Ammanford.
Pontardulais - you can spell it with two D's if you want
Exit Ammanford - why do Carmarthenshire council like barriers on bus stations?
I really do love South Wales. The people are lovely and when it isn't drizzling, the scenery is superb. It's a slight quirk of mine but I even enjoy those hidden bits of towns that you sometimes see. I'd definite recommend a trip to Swansea and out to the Mumbles (or the Gower which I've done before). The area around Llanelli is also really pleasant and whilst I didn't travel on it this time, the X11 is another good service to try out.
However, I think the people of Swansea and its environs are being sadly let down. First are culpable - I think Jane Reakes Davies was doing a decent job there but then the restructure came and the operation is now run from Bristol by Doug Claringbold. It feels like a zombie operation... no investment, poor attention to detail, and seemingly just waiting for the inevitability of franchising. There was, before Covid, a plan to develop the business and it was looking smarter with the application of the red livery. The only repaints recently were ex Bee Network Streetlites that were done in Bristol and have since arrived in South Wales, and a couple of random ones (accident damage?). Then you have the local authorities - they are really quite meh and there's not much coming from Swansea or Carmarthenshire. In terms of Welsh Government, they're quite happy to have electric buses carrying fresh air to Blaenau but that the second city doesn't have one is quite something. Still, the drivers were all decent and everything turned up when it should do... but there's little to indicate any move from anyone to reverse or even delay such an evident decline. Doubtless, I'll be there again in a year or two, exploring some other random spots nonetheless.
Hope you enjoyed the report and photos, despite the weather and my opinionated waffle.
I do have another trip report to share of my own. As is often the case, it involved being in some former mining area (!) and also played into my love of South Wales. However, it was slightly less ambitious than normal but I hope you enjoy the report. PS - for those of a nervous disposition, there is a lot of Wright Streetlite action as these dominate the First Cymru fleet.
I began my day in Ammanford, parking up in the free car park near the station. Ammanford used to have two bus depots (or three if you include nearby Tycroes) with a combined depot/bus station where the current bus station/Coop store is. Sadly, the weather wasn't as good as predicted and I began the day in a steady drizzle. The first bus of the day was a Wright Streetlite that had been reallocated west last year but still had Neath and Port Talbot fleetnames. We were visiting neither, heading on the 129 to Carmarthen. There was a decent load on the two hourly service that combines with the Llanelli route to provide an hourly headway out of Ammanford. Now, hard to believe, but I was pleasantly surprised by this Streetlite - no telltale rattles from the usual spots, reasonable ride quality. What I didn't know was that it was a reunion having travelled on the same vehicle a few years earlier near Neath. It's now ten years old and to be honest, the interior has stood up pretty well and was reasonably tidy. Sadly, the weather was gloomy and I didn't get the best view but reckon it's probably a lovely trip on a nice day. Sadly, as we arrived, a warning buzzer began sounding and whilst our driver got us to the bus station, I think that was the end of the day for our vehicle. Carmarthen is a town I know very well - the mother in law used to live nearby so I had no wish to suffer the drizzle and explore, grabbing a coffee and bacon sandwich and then heading to the 195 to Llanelli. This was a Streetlite from the same batch, again reallocated from Port Talbot but sadly, it was a lesser example. The incessant rattling of the emergency door handle was back to annoy me and our young driver seemed to be unable to keep to time whilst observing near constant changes in speed limits. Such is Wales. We also had two "out and back" deviations in Pontyberem (a large village that once had a Western Welsh outstation, I believe) and then Ponthenri of which neither involved losing or gaining passengers. Hence we were about 10 mins late into the bus station in Llanelli.
Second bus of the day arrives - bit damp in Carmarthen
Llanelli is one of those places where the trials of modern day bus operation seem starkest. The town has been hollowed out courtesy of a large out of town complex with plentiful car parking that has led to the decline of the traditional high street. Llanelli did get some redevelopment and that included a new bus station about 15 years ago, replacing the old depressing facility with a new one nearby. Similarly, First's presence has ebbed away following the downgrading and closure of Llanelli depot. The former travel office is still maintained as a welfare facility but looks tired and jaded. One thing that I've never noticed until now though... All of Carmarthen's bus stations have automated barriers to restrict access... Seen them before but never twigged. I had chance to get coffee and checked on my next bus, the 111 to Swansea. I was quite shocked to see it was one of the few deckers in First Cymru's fleet - numbers had swelled a few years ago but have now declined. 36242 was one new to Leeds, passed via Sheffield, Worcester and Weston super Mare to end up in Swansea. As a consequence, it's not been loved and just feels tired. These vehicles really should have been refurbished (as some were) but are probably now too old to justify the expenditure. Shame as it was a decent trip as we made our way via the aforementioned retail park and then across the estuary and towards Gorseinon before we then did a deviation around Penlan to descend into Swansea. At least the drizzle had given way and the day was getting much brighter.
A little bit of sun in Swansea and my only decker of the day
The former United Welsh bus station in Singleton Street, Swansea (next to the current bus station)
Pulling away up the hill in Townhill - it's old home can be worked out!
Moody monochrome from Townhill - there wasn't that much colour as it was!
Ordinarily, I'd have had a more detailed explore of Swansea but I had a couple of things that I wanted to tick off. So it was an exit off my decker and onto another old friend, a Streetlite that I'd previously travelled on in Worcester; it had been moved over a year earlier but still has Worcester fleetnames! I wanted to experience the climb up to Townhill, an estate above the city accessed by a punishing climb. To be fair, the little Streetlite was fine with the 10% incline and I had chance to take a few moody panoramic shots of the city and Swansea Bay before returning back to the city centre. After a short wander, I headed to the bus station and had a trip out to Oystermouth. This again highlighted another issue with Welsh bus services. Covid and its aftermath was really badly handled in terms of funding by the Government, as they sought to exercise central control, at least in my opinion. When funding began to decline and passenger numbers didn't return, many services were either withdrawn or had their frequencies cut. Some cuts around Swansea were swingeing, such as Townhill (now partially reversed). I may be wrong but I think the routes to Oystermouth were similarly affected so the 1, 2 and 3A comprise a 15 min headway but in truth, the direct route 2 is half hourly and takes 22 mins, and the others are hourly (combined half hourly) but diverted via Singleton taking 42 mins. I took the direct 2 to Oystermouth on my sole e200 of the day and enjoyed a nice wander around the pleasant town before deciding to head back. Lovely views across Swansea Bay and down to the Mumbles (which I would recommend that people visit). There's also a castle to explore, a walk along the seafront back towards Swansea, and it's an affluent place with nice shops and bars.
Across to the Mumbles taken from what had been Oystermouth bus station
My steed back to Swansea descending the main street in Oystermouth
Here's the thing - the journey length disparity there's no 15 min headway on the return. Instead its a slow bus, then a fast 10 mins later, then 20 mins later a slow and a fast arrive almost together, and then a 30 min gap. It really should be a straight forward 20 min fast link (and let the slower ones do their job) but First can't make it pay on the pass remuneration. I decided to take the longer trip in any case and had a circuitous trip around a former council estate and Singleton Hospital/Campus where the former ftr signs still advertise the 4 service that used to have Streetcars. Perhaps this is the thing... in the early 1990s, SWT and the Council were great at bus priority and investment. It feels that First burnt through a lot of goodwill with the ill-fated ftr adventure which was doomed to failure. Now there's some residual bus lanes but otherwise, its a scratchy First operation and local/national government that is performative in its public transport commitment - big on TrawsCymru and SW Metro but this corner feels neglected all round.
It was time to head back to Ammanford. Rather than waiting for 45 mins, I got the X13a shortworking that would take me to Pontardulais. In fact, it would take me almost to Ammanford but only to Tycroes depot which was arguably a worst destination. The X13a was worked by a former Fareham Solo. Not having travelled on this route before, it wasn't long before we were diverting around random areas of Swansea (Cockett?). Again, I'm guessing that this covers another withdrawn route, on a service that was once the direct X13 every 20 mins and is now an hourly direct run and the slower X13a - more evidence of paring back of frequencies and diversions to cover other routes? The Solo was a decent machine and got me into Pontardulais on time on what had been a reasonably loaded service for a late Saturday afternoon. However, the times on a Saturday are the same as a weekday (peak) so we sat for 5 mins on the main road in order to keep to time. The town itself is a real quiet affair, being a dormitory town for Swansea and being close to the M4. I went to Tesco, used their toilets, had a wander, and then discovered the bus stops had no timetables but was comfortable I was ok for the last bus. And so it was, a last Streetlite of the day and a former Southampton vehicle, it's red livery almost fitting in with the now redundant First Cymru scheme. At last, we had blue skies and beautiful scenery as we climbed out of the town by the River Loughor and then via a never ending 20 mph limit in Llanedi and over the top to Tycroes where a driver change took place, and then dropped me into Ammanford.
Pontardulais - you can spell it with two D's if you want
Exit Ammanford - why do Carmarthenshire council like barriers on bus stations?
I really do love South Wales. The people are lovely and when it isn't drizzling, the scenery is superb. It's a slight quirk of mine but I even enjoy those hidden bits of towns that you sometimes see. I'd definite recommend a trip to Swansea and out to the Mumbles (or the Gower which I've done before). The area around Llanelli is also really pleasant and whilst I didn't travel on it this time, the X11 is another good service to try out.
However, I think the people of Swansea and its environs are being sadly let down. First are culpable - I think Jane Reakes Davies was doing a decent job there but then the restructure came and the operation is now run from Bristol by Doug Claringbold. It feels like a zombie operation... no investment, poor attention to detail, and seemingly just waiting for the inevitability of franchising. There was, before Covid, a plan to develop the business and it was looking smarter with the application of the red livery. The only repaints recently were ex Bee Network Streetlites that were done in Bristol and have since arrived in South Wales, and a couple of random ones (accident damage?). Then you have the local authorities - they are really quite meh and there's not much coming from Swansea or Carmarthenshire. In terms of Welsh Government, they're quite happy to have electric buses carrying fresh air to Blaenau but that the second city doesn't have one is quite something. Still, the drivers were all decent and everything turned up when it should do... but there's little to indicate any move from anyone to reverse or even delay such an evident decline. Doubtless, I'll be there again in a year or two, exploring some other random spots nonetheless.
Hope you enjoyed the report and photos, despite the weather and my opinionated waffle.
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I’ve been wanting to try out the new vintage bus route 11 in the Cotswolds, launched this year by Troopers Lodge Motor Services, since it was first launched. Two buses are required, with one being an open-top on nice days, but given it only runs weekends and public holidays and I work a lot of those, trying to time it has been difficult given it’s a fair distance away from me.
They’ve recently acquired open-top Southdown Leyland Titan PD3 ‘Queen Mary’ 410 DCD though, which combined with a positive weather forecast meant they were able to schedule it out this weekend alongside the regular open-top Devon General AEC Regent VDV 818.
Therefore with both duties booked open-top, I headed up to Moreton-in-Marsh railway station to do the Queen Mary on the 1030 round-trip, due back some 3hrs 14mins later (and that’s with just a 5 min layover at the other end, so quite some heritage travel time available).
The bus arrived in good time around 20 mins before departure, initially just a few of us boarding but the arrival of trains in each direction - especially the one from London/Oxford - provided a pretty much full load up top (not sure on lower deck loadings as I’d by then already secured my favourite open-top seat at the rear offside). The bus stop is opposite the signal box which we could hear dinging away.
After a pick-up around the corner on the main street, it was south towards Stow-on-the-Wold. An event meant the bus couldn’t go into central Stow and there was a lot of traffic on the approach, however their Facebook page showed they’d put a sign and map up at the usual stop directing people to the Tesco store bus stop where they also had a traditional chalk style A-board up too. These also featured at some other stops, along with their own flags and timetable cases, so they’ve certainly put some effort into raising awareness kerbside. I’m guessing the Tesco stop is usually the preserve of single decks though, as a tree branch required ducking from all up top as it was barely above the seat backs! This seemed to amuse everyone out enjoying this leisure service though. On the course of the usual route, the only branch I recall proving an obstacle was one immediately leaving Moreton station, where as some other more established open-top rides have encountered several.
After leaving Stow Tesco it was down to the tourist trap of Bourton-on-the-Water, where its grassy banks where filled with people enjoying the heat (despite the misleading clouds in my photos!) and kids paddling in the stream. The bus largely emptied here, with only around 8 of us continuing on. Bourton is where the two buses pass, with the aforementioned Regent passing us on the edge of town.
Northleach Market Place was the next stop and had an attractive stopping area only ruined by the amount of cars parked there. Burford itself is the next settlement served, albeit only on the main road as buses can’t get in and easily then turn around. It’s only a few minutes or so walk though.
The next stop is The Farmer’s Dog, which those who have watched Series 4 of Clarkson’s Farm (SPOILER ALERT) is his pub. With its old name of the Windmill still seen on some signs, fans of the show didn’t seem to have trouble finding it as the queue outside was enormous and the “Overflow Car Park” (field) had a constant flow adding to its numbers. Car parking marshals looked busy.
The final stop at Minster Lovell , located in a residential area, felt like it was more a convenient place to turn around after reaching Jeremy Clarkson’s pub rather than a destination in its own right. Five minutes is allowed here. Timings along the way seemed padded enough taking into account the speed of the vehicles used, as well as what I suspect will be worse traffic come the Summer school holiday period in places like Bourton.
While perhaps not as dramatic scenery wise as some of the open-top trips I’ve done lately, such as the Stagecoach’s Peak Sightseer blue route and First’s X52 between Weymouth and Bridport, it was a very pleasant plod through the fields of the Cotswolds and great to see these old vehicles out earning their keep, offering a regular service and turning lots of heads along the way. A hop-on hop-off day ticket is priced at £20, with single/return tickets also available (a full-length return is £14). Vehicle allocations are generally posted on their dedicated Facebook page ‘The Number 11 Vintage Bus Service’ and their website is https://www.cotswoldvintagebushire.com/service11/
Queen Mary at Moreton
The AEC Regent passing us
A field
A view of a road
Northleach Market Place
The low tree at Tesco
Jeremy Clarkson’s overflow pub car park
They’ve recently acquired open-top Southdown Leyland Titan PD3 ‘Queen Mary’ 410 DCD though, which combined with a positive weather forecast meant they were able to schedule it out this weekend alongside the regular open-top Devon General AEC Regent VDV 818.
Therefore with both duties booked open-top, I headed up to Moreton-in-Marsh railway station to do the Queen Mary on the 1030 round-trip, due back some 3hrs 14mins later (and that’s with just a 5 min layover at the other end, so quite some heritage travel time available).
The bus arrived in good time around 20 mins before departure, initially just a few of us boarding but the arrival of trains in each direction - especially the one from London/Oxford - provided a pretty much full load up top (not sure on lower deck loadings as I’d by then already secured my favourite open-top seat at the rear offside). The bus stop is opposite the signal box which we could hear dinging away.
After a pick-up around the corner on the main street, it was south towards Stow-on-the-Wold. An event meant the bus couldn’t go into central Stow and there was a lot of traffic on the approach, however their Facebook page showed they’d put a sign and map up at the usual stop directing people to the Tesco store bus stop where they also had a traditional chalk style A-board up too. These also featured at some other stops, along with their own flags and timetable cases, so they’ve certainly put some effort into raising awareness kerbside. I’m guessing the Tesco stop is usually the preserve of single decks though, as a tree branch required ducking from all up top as it was barely above the seat backs! This seemed to amuse everyone out enjoying this leisure service though. On the course of the usual route, the only branch I recall proving an obstacle was one immediately leaving Moreton station, where as some other more established open-top rides have encountered several.
After leaving Stow Tesco it was down to the tourist trap of Bourton-on-the-Water, where its grassy banks where filled with people enjoying the heat (despite the misleading clouds in my photos!) and kids paddling in the stream. The bus largely emptied here, with only around 8 of us continuing on. Bourton is where the two buses pass, with the aforementioned Regent passing us on the edge of town.
Northleach Market Place was the next stop and had an attractive stopping area only ruined by the amount of cars parked there. Burford itself is the next settlement served, albeit only on the main road as buses can’t get in and easily then turn around. It’s only a few minutes or so walk though.
The next stop is The Farmer’s Dog, which those who have watched Series 4 of Clarkson’s Farm (SPOILER ALERT) is his pub. With its old name of the Windmill still seen on some signs, fans of the show didn’t seem to have trouble finding it as the queue outside was enormous and the “Overflow Car Park” (field) had a constant flow adding to its numbers. Car parking marshals looked busy.
The final stop at Minster Lovell , located in a residential area, felt like it was more a convenient place to turn around after reaching Jeremy Clarkson’s pub rather than a destination in its own right. Five minutes is allowed here. Timings along the way seemed padded enough taking into account the speed of the vehicles used, as well as what I suspect will be worse traffic come the Summer school holiday period in places like Bourton.
While perhaps not as dramatic scenery wise as some of the open-top trips I’ve done lately, such as the Stagecoach’s Peak Sightseer blue route and First’s X52 between Weymouth and Bridport, it was a very pleasant plod through the fields of the Cotswolds and great to see these old vehicles out earning their keep, offering a regular service and turning lots of heads along the way. A hop-on hop-off day ticket is priced at £20, with single/return tickets also available (a full-length return is £14). Vehicle allocations are generally posted on their dedicated Facebook page ‘The Number 11 Vintage Bus Service’ and their website is https://www.cotswoldvintagebushire.com/service11/
Queen Mary at Moreton
The AEC Regent passing us
A field
A view of a road
Northleach Market Place
The low tree at Tesco
Jeremy Clarkson’s overflow pub car park
Some great reports since I last posted on this thread. I am impressed by how @ChrisC is able to use the buses to visit some fabulous rural locations such as Great Dixter and Bodiam Castle which both look great, and to Alfriston which is a lovely village but not that well served. The other places are somewhat easier to get to by bus thanks to the frequent Coaster12 series routes. @Flange Squeal has certainly sold me on wanting to use the Peak Sightseer, it is useful to know how busy the route is on a fine day.
Another interesting report from @TheGrandWazoo from the Swansea area on a less sunny day. I visited the area in 2019 (2 trips) and in 2022 and even since the latter date the bus services have declined dramatically. The X11 to Carmarthen and X13 to Ammanford were both half hourly with a fleet of ADL E300s promoting the routes while the 111 ran every 20 minutes providing five bph to Llanelli. Now there are only three. I also stopped off at Pontarddulais (my notes have two 'd's) and I started one trip at Ty Croes. The 2022 trip included the X6 from Ystradgynlais to Swansea which appeared to be making a genuine attempt to allocate mostly double deckers. I see that this route is now also 2bph instead of 3bph and is interworked with the 111 to Llanelli, with which it has nothing in common. This explains the double deckers appearing on the 111 as presumably certain journeys on the X6 are deliberately allocated double deckers, but now a smaller number are used within a greater overall allocation. So a delay in Pontardawe on the X6 will now affect the 111 to Llanelli for a pretty miniscule cost saving - yes they will require 11 buses between the peaks instead of 12 if they were independently run but as the drivers must change every trip so what is the point? I stopped off at Loughor on one trip, then for 20 minutes but now you would have to take 30, and it was a lovely place alongside the estuary. Oystermouth and the Gower Peninsula is another area that First have let down badly and it sound like the decline continues. I have not visited Townhill but your photo doesn't really sell it that well, maybe one day!
Finally I have to confess I had never heard of the Troopers 11 route in the Cotswolds! That looks a great run on an open topper - thanks for telling us about it!
I was able to get out one day last week and am just compiling a trip report, to follow soon...
Another interesting report from @TheGrandWazoo from the Swansea area on a less sunny day. I visited the area in 2019 (2 trips) and in 2022 and even since the latter date the bus services have declined dramatically. The X11 to Carmarthen and X13 to Ammanford were both half hourly with a fleet of ADL E300s promoting the routes while the 111 ran every 20 minutes providing five bph to Llanelli. Now there are only three. I also stopped off at Pontarddulais (my notes have two 'd's) and I started one trip at Ty Croes. The 2022 trip included the X6 from Ystradgynlais to Swansea which appeared to be making a genuine attempt to allocate mostly double deckers. I see that this route is now also 2bph instead of 3bph and is interworked with the 111 to Llanelli, with which it has nothing in common. This explains the double deckers appearing on the 111 as presumably certain journeys on the X6 are deliberately allocated double deckers, but now a smaller number are used within a greater overall allocation. So a delay in Pontardawe on the X6 will now affect the 111 to Llanelli for a pretty miniscule cost saving - yes they will require 11 buses between the peaks instead of 12 if they were independently run but as the drivers must change every trip so what is the point? I stopped off at Loughor on one trip, then for 20 minutes but now you would have to take 30, and it was a lovely place alongside the estuary. Oystermouth and the Gower Peninsula is another area that First have let down badly and it sound like the decline continues. I have not visited Townhill but your photo doesn't really sell it that well, maybe one day!
Finally I have to confess I had never heard of the Troopers 11 route in the Cotswolds! That looks a great run on an open topper - thanks for telling us about it!
I was able to get out one day last week and am just compiling a trip report, to follow soon...
TheGrandWazoo
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Well, like @RELL6L, the Cotswold 11 was completely off my radar. What a super seasonal service. These ventures with preserved vehicles are fraught with challenges so I hope they do well. Lovely part of the world - I used to live not far from Moreton. It and Stow are very pleasant places but it is Bourton (and nearby villages like the Slaughters) that are the real tourist traps. Thanks to @Flange Squeal for a great trip report. May have to investigate that one further.
I think @RELL6L is right on the level of reductions in recent years in South Wales. The frequencies were systematically scaled back - IIRC, Townhill went to every 30 mins which is incredible but all the others seem to be as I recall too. I think it was when they (WG) reduced the funding and the post-Covid recovery has been weaker here. That said, First Cymru seems bereft of any drive to improve their financial performance. And yes, Townhill isn't perhaps one for the tourist but I know it's long been a noteworthy climb for buses.
Look forward to seeing your next escapade.
I think @RELL6L is right on the level of reductions in recent years in South Wales. The frequencies were systematically scaled back - IIRC, Townhill went to every 30 mins which is incredible but all the others seem to be as I recall too. I think it was when they (WG) reduced the funding and the post-Covid recovery has been weaker here. That said, First Cymru seems bereft of any drive to improve their financial performance. And yes, Townhill isn't perhaps one for the tourist but I know it's long been a noteworthy climb for buses.
Look forward to seeing your next escapade.
I have wanted for some time to visit Market Bosworth in Leicestershire. Back in the 1970s the town was interesting from a bus point of view as Leicester City Transport introduced a competing route to long established Midland Red services using new Dennis Dominators, their bus of choice for a while after buying the wonderful Metropolitans. I can’t remember a great deal else about this or how long it lasted but I think it was an interesting phase. I had previously had a plan using the route from Coalville to Hinckley, but that was withdrawn a couple of years ago. Now the town is pretty much out on a limb on a single hourly Arriva route from Leicester. But not entirely…
On Tuesday I had an opportunity to get out and visit the town along with some interesting less frequent rural routes in Leicestershire during a time of change in the area. This is not an area I have explored that comprehensively in recent years and I had several gaps. I was in Market Bosworth by 7.30 am when the Arriva 153 came through and just two passengers boarded at the square, a couple of young lads. BusTimes will tell you that there is no other route in the town because a couple of weeks ago the Stagecoach Midlands 7 from Witherley, near Atherstone, to Measham, which passed through on just a couple of schoolday journeys was withdrawn. A replacement service by Arriva of just the two schoolday journeys numbered LC12 starts in July, the rest of the service apparently sadly vanishing. A shame is this is the only service to Twycross Zoo as well as several rural villages. However, in the meantime, a company called LA Travel is running a free service 7 at the same times as the old Stagecoach Midlands one. This is timed to pass through Market Bosworth at 8.10, and the display in the bus shelter in Market Bosworth said it would turn up at 8.12. Luckily I was actually there by about 8.00 at which time a StreetLite with South Staffs on the side turned up. No destination display and no passengers but a driver and a guide and I saw that the legal lettering said LA Travel so I asked if it was the 7. No, I was told, but it was the LC12 and it was running free and yes it was going to Measham. I have deduced from some googling that L A Travel is part of South Staffs Coach Hire which runs a few local and schools services. So we set off around 10 minutes early on this StreetLite of unknown provenance but with 3+2 seating reminiscent of an old Leopard or Volvo B10M converted for school use and followed the route past some small villages, duly arriving around 10 minutes early in Measham. From here the bus would now park up for about 40 minutes before setting out for Atherstone on the normal route of the 7, not through Market Bosworth. I asked what the point of the journey was, since I had been the only passenger, and was told it was to bring school children into Market Bosworth. But in that case why does the Arriva LC12 from July also continue to Measham? And why would L A Travel bother with route learning for such a short time? All very odd!
Although this was a heatwave week there was quite a bit of haze in the morning so it was not yet too hot. Even with the extra 10 minutes I did not have too long in Measham, a former coal mining village, and there is not much to see. My next leg was on the Diamond 19 to Ashby-de-la-Zouch. I had noticed that this could sometimes be quite late after delays on its previous journey in Burton on Trent, but I suspect this was roadworks related and this time it wasn’t late at all. It was a mid-life Optare Metrocity and there were only two other passengers, really not enough for a morning peak hour journey into a town. We arrived after the short distance to Ashby-de-la-Zouch on time. Ashby is in the centre of the former Leicestershire coalfield area but is an attractive middle-class town with a hilly high street and remains of a castle. I have visited the castle before, this time a second breakfast was a priority!
The next leg was another odd one although in the end there was a partial explanation. This was another former Leicestershire rural route, the 129 from Ashby to Loughborough, until recently run by Diamond Buses, albeit a fairly long way from its base. It is now called the LC16 and run by Arriva with an extra journey making it roughly two-hourly throughout. I looked on BusTimes and there were no buses out. The journey from Ashby two hours earlier had vanished at a crossroads in the middle of nowhere some time earlier. But I didn’t worry and gave it time to arrive and after a while it reappeared on BusTimes on the inward journey starting from the same crossroads. Where had it been? It turned up a few minutes late, a 72-plate E200. There were a few passengers waiting at the bus stop who I assumed would be for the trunk 29/29A service to Coalville and Leicester, but in fact we gained nearly double figures boarding at Ashby, several students with passes who were heading all the way to Loughborough. Out of Ashby the route became very rural and I made a note as we passed through the small and inconsequential village of Newbold. The scenery was rural and undulating although not spectacular. When we got to the crossroads where the bus had disappeared earlier we found not hyperspace or a black hole but a road closed sign so we could not follow the normal route to Shepshed. We had to continue to join the A6 at Hathern for a short distance then turn right to get to Shepshed. Confusingly Shepshed now has the 16 and LC16 routes through it, as well as the trunk 127 to Loughborough and Leicester which seemed to be run entirely with green electric buses. We were now about 5 minutes late having taken the diversion pretty briskly. I don’t know what had happened earlier, I don’t believe it would have been possible for these journeys to have done what we did or the bus would have been significantly later arriving at Ashby. Also our journey tracked exactly where we had gone and the earlier ones vanished. After Shepshed we visited places the main 127 to Loughborough does not want to serve including the village of Nanpantan, approaching the town passing near the university. Oddly, as I write this, the whole route LC16 has vanished from BusTimes but looking at Arriva vehicle 3155 the journeys can still be seen!
We were about 10 minutes late into Loughborough and ideally that left me with just five minutes to catch the Kinch 9 into Nottingham at 10.45, the alternative being half an hour later. Not so, as the 10.15 to Nottingham, a fairly well loaded Solo, was on the stand with the driver gone for a comfort break, having been seriously delayed on its inward journey. Indeed all the buses on the route looked to be delayed but this one the worst, so I thought it safer to catch it now – a bird in the hand etc – rather than find a later journey turned short somewhere or delayed for a driver to finish their break. We set off on time – for the journey I had meant to take – but picked up a fair few more passengers as we headed up the main road through the delightfully named village of Bunny and into Nottingham via the edge of West Bridgeford. We were about five minutes later by the time we arrived at Broad Marsh bus station. This is a new bus station, replacing the one on the site which I am sure others can remember far better than me. It was not busy and still seemed a little gloomy despite the bright sunshine outside.
I walked up into the city centre past an area now being improved with some planting reminiscent of rural meadows and up to the main city square which I really like. I was there last winter on my trip from Mansfield and it was much busier then with a Christmas market, this time it was quite quiet. My next leg was on Trent Barton (sorry, I can hardly bring myself to type trentbarton), the route called Indigo, which provides a bus every 10 minutes to Long Eaton and then every 20 minutes to Derby. The route is run by modern E200s and everything looked to be in the correct livery. The bus before mine left about 7 minutes late and we caught it up quite quickly and then ran in parallel through Beeston and Chilwell with us arriving in Long Eaton just first, albeit a couple of minutes late. We were busy throughout with passengers joining and alighting all along the route. Long Eaton was a new destination for me and seems to be a major centre in the furniture industry, specifically for sofas, with several factories and outlets. The town hall is also an attractive building. The town seemed busier than elsewhere but perhaps just because of the traffic. From here I wanted to continue to Castle Donington on the Skylink (Nottingham version) and I was pleased to note that my bus was a Volvo B7RLE, most of the other buses being E200s. It was about 10 minutes late and very well loaded leaving Long Eaton, but over half the passengers alighted at Sawley, a busy section even though this is paralleled by the Trent Barton 15.
Castle Donington was where I considered to be my main destination for the day. I had been though the town before but not alighted and it was clearly an attractive place. The main part of the town is up a slight walk from the bus station and has a decent high street and some old buildings. There is nothing to see of the castle though, this went centuries ago but I had nearly an hour for a wander around the town. Back at the bus station my next leg was another rural and infrequent route, the Diamond 125. I don’t know the history of this route but again it is a long way from Diamond’s base in Burton and is being given up in July. It runs from Castle Donington to Coalville and then via a rural route to Leicester. From July it appears that Arriva are taking over the Coalville to Leicester section as the LC15 but the Coalville to Castle Donington section, which just runs twice a day, is being abandoned. Worryingly nothing was tracking on BusTimes or Diamond’s website but just before the due time a Diamond Metrocity, 30991, which was not tracking, appeared on the route. We had a few passengers on board this condemned route and gained more as we went along. The 125 avoids East Midlands Airport which dominates local bus services in the area but passes close to Donington Park before reaching the very attractive village of Breedon on the Hill. Here there is a church high up on the hillside, part of the village is dominated by limestone quarries – as is much of the local area – but the bus does a double run to turn at the very pretty village green. We then continued along country back roads including through the village of Newbold, which I had been through earlier on the 129 and formed the centre spot of the figure-of-eight route I was covering, gaining a few more passengers so we were into double figures arriving at Coalville. Most of these places have no alternative bus service so are likely to be left without anything.
We changed drivers just before reaching the middle of Coalville, clearly using a car or van as a ferry vehicle as keys changed hands between the drivers. The journey then has 15 minutes pause in Coalville, I don’t know why, but we were a few minutes late arriving and I was alighting here. Coalville is a former mining town with the remains of Snibston Colliery, including some buildings, now a country park. The town also has an impressive memorial in the town centre but otherwise is not the most attractive of places. I have a recollection of visiting in the 1970s with the town alive to the sound of Leyland Nationals on services around the town and to neighbouring colliery villages. Inevitably little of this remains, the Midland Red depot is long gone but Arriva maintains an outstation at Roberts Coaches to the south of the town. The Diamond 125, shortly to become the Arriva LC15, will continue to provide one route from the town to Leicester while Arriva run the half hourly 29/29A between Leicester and Swadlincote (via Coalville and Ashby-de-la-Zouch) and also the 28 via villages to the south, while there are local routes to Whitwick, Ibstock and Agar Nook. Arriva also runs an hourly 16 through Shepshed to Loughborough and the Skylink from Nottingham via East Midlands Airport comes in hourly. Apart from the latter Arriva will run everything from next month.
I was going next to Leicester and had the choice of the 28 and 29/29A routes. I had assumed the main 29/29A would be the quicker option but in fact these routes are slower as they virtually do a double run to the colliery village of Whitwick and back almost to Coalville town centre before heading into Leicester, even then with diversions off the main road. As a result these routes take an hour or so into Leicester, the same length of time as the 28 which takes a more rural route to the south. The 28 interworks with the 15 to Ibstock and the local routes are run with a mix of E200s and Solos, while the Coalville outstation also contributes to the 29/29A and runs double deckers on the 16 to Loughborough. So Coalville will soon have a 15 and an LC15 – confusing or what! I decided to take the 28, because this was coming first, and we took an Arriva driver to the Roberts depot on the way out of town. The 28 takes a rural route through the former mining villages of Bagworth and Thornton, but we were plagued by another road closure in Bagworth and had to take a long way round between one end of the village and the other. Around Thornton the countryside was hilly and quite scenic and we then continued to the more urban sprawl villages of Ratby and Groby before heading into Leicester on the main road. I am really surprised there isn’t a faster route between Coalville and Leicester, all existing options take up to an hour with nothing faster even at peak times. There are proposals to reopen the Ivanhoe railway line between Leicester and Burton on Trent via Coalville and Ashby, you would have thought that if there was to be any chance of doing this a case for demand between these locations would include a well-used frequent fast bus service. I saw the line once or twice, it is very overgrown and many places such as level crossings would present challenges to restoration. Also it does not go close to Swadlincote while rail capacity at Leicester is limited. I would think any such reopening would be a huge project and unlikely to be justified.
We arrived at Leicester and I could have headed straight back to Market Bosworth or waited for an hour. I decided to wait and explore part of the city centre. Although I had been to Leicester many times before and seen the ‘highlights’ I had not really explored some of the streets on the western part of the city centre. I spent a lazy time wandering around here, many of these much improved, had a little refreshment and walked around some of the city centre. The area I remember reverberating to the sounds of Leicester’s Metropolitans back in the 1970s is now mainly pedestrianised with a new bus station at Haymarket, a short distance down the road from the St Margarets Bus Station. Most of the buses glided silently around here as they were new electrics, both from First and Arriva, in a similar green livery. My final leg was on the Arriva 153 back to Market Bosworth, run by a Pulsar. There are sometimes double deckers on this route and one would have been useful at the start of the journey as it runs out of the city along the same route as the Arriva 158 and Stagecoach 148 towards Hinckley. The previous 158 had not run and so a large number of passengers joined in the city centre stops after the bus station, many of whom alighted within the first couple of miles. After turning off the main road through Kirkby Muxloe where quite a few passengers alighted we then went along a short section of road I had covered earlier on the 28 before heading out into the section only covered by the 153, still with quite a few passengers. Many alighted at each of the villages of Desford, Newbold Verdon and Barlestone, leaving just me and two others – the young lads who I had seen board the bus at 7.30 – continuing to Market Bosworth.
So there is some investment in Leicestershire with the LC series of rural routes and of course lots of new electric buses in the city. But the county has not fared well in rural routes in recent years and the trunk route from Swadlincote to Leicester, while still half hourly as it has always been, has got slower and slower over the years. Everyone complains about Arriva’s lack of investment, obviously the new electrics have had external funding but there are some 72-plate E200s and E400s but also a lot of older vehicles, Solos, Versas and Pulsars. I didn’t get to see much of Kinchbus but clearly their fleet requires some investment while Trent Barton’s shortcomings feature frequently on this forum. Diamond Buses looked to be OK but I suspect are on a gentle decline into mediocrity following their change in ownership. An interesting day in a relatively unknown area. Anyway, enough wittering, here are some photos…
Market Bosworth
Ashby-de-la-Zouch
Rewilding in Nottingham city centre
Long Eaton town hall
Castle Donington
A back street in Castle Donington
Breedon on the Hill, the top of the church can just be seen above the hill
Country scenery near Thornton, from the 28
Leicester
On Tuesday I had an opportunity to get out and visit the town along with some interesting less frequent rural routes in Leicestershire during a time of change in the area. This is not an area I have explored that comprehensively in recent years and I had several gaps. I was in Market Bosworth by 7.30 am when the Arriva 153 came through and just two passengers boarded at the square, a couple of young lads. BusTimes will tell you that there is no other route in the town because a couple of weeks ago the Stagecoach Midlands 7 from Witherley, near Atherstone, to Measham, which passed through on just a couple of schoolday journeys was withdrawn. A replacement service by Arriva of just the two schoolday journeys numbered LC12 starts in July, the rest of the service apparently sadly vanishing. A shame is this is the only service to Twycross Zoo as well as several rural villages. However, in the meantime, a company called LA Travel is running a free service 7 at the same times as the old Stagecoach Midlands one. This is timed to pass through Market Bosworth at 8.10, and the display in the bus shelter in Market Bosworth said it would turn up at 8.12. Luckily I was actually there by about 8.00 at which time a StreetLite with South Staffs on the side turned up. No destination display and no passengers but a driver and a guide and I saw that the legal lettering said LA Travel so I asked if it was the 7. No, I was told, but it was the LC12 and it was running free and yes it was going to Measham. I have deduced from some googling that L A Travel is part of South Staffs Coach Hire which runs a few local and schools services. So we set off around 10 minutes early on this StreetLite of unknown provenance but with 3+2 seating reminiscent of an old Leopard or Volvo B10M converted for school use and followed the route past some small villages, duly arriving around 10 minutes early in Measham. From here the bus would now park up for about 40 minutes before setting out for Atherstone on the normal route of the 7, not through Market Bosworth. I asked what the point of the journey was, since I had been the only passenger, and was told it was to bring school children into Market Bosworth. But in that case why does the Arriva LC12 from July also continue to Measham? And why would L A Travel bother with route learning for such a short time? All very odd!
Although this was a heatwave week there was quite a bit of haze in the morning so it was not yet too hot. Even with the extra 10 minutes I did not have too long in Measham, a former coal mining village, and there is not much to see. My next leg was on the Diamond 19 to Ashby-de-la-Zouch. I had noticed that this could sometimes be quite late after delays on its previous journey in Burton on Trent, but I suspect this was roadworks related and this time it wasn’t late at all. It was a mid-life Optare Metrocity and there were only two other passengers, really not enough for a morning peak hour journey into a town. We arrived after the short distance to Ashby-de-la-Zouch on time. Ashby is in the centre of the former Leicestershire coalfield area but is an attractive middle-class town with a hilly high street and remains of a castle. I have visited the castle before, this time a second breakfast was a priority!
The next leg was another odd one although in the end there was a partial explanation. This was another former Leicestershire rural route, the 129 from Ashby to Loughborough, until recently run by Diamond Buses, albeit a fairly long way from its base. It is now called the LC16 and run by Arriva with an extra journey making it roughly two-hourly throughout. I looked on BusTimes and there were no buses out. The journey from Ashby two hours earlier had vanished at a crossroads in the middle of nowhere some time earlier. But I didn’t worry and gave it time to arrive and after a while it reappeared on BusTimes on the inward journey starting from the same crossroads. Where had it been? It turned up a few minutes late, a 72-plate E200. There were a few passengers waiting at the bus stop who I assumed would be for the trunk 29/29A service to Coalville and Leicester, but in fact we gained nearly double figures boarding at Ashby, several students with passes who were heading all the way to Loughborough. Out of Ashby the route became very rural and I made a note as we passed through the small and inconsequential village of Newbold. The scenery was rural and undulating although not spectacular. When we got to the crossroads where the bus had disappeared earlier we found not hyperspace or a black hole but a road closed sign so we could not follow the normal route to Shepshed. We had to continue to join the A6 at Hathern for a short distance then turn right to get to Shepshed. Confusingly Shepshed now has the 16 and LC16 routes through it, as well as the trunk 127 to Loughborough and Leicester which seemed to be run entirely with green electric buses. We were now about 5 minutes late having taken the diversion pretty briskly. I don’t know what had happened earlier, I don’t believe it would have been possible for these journeys to have done what we did or the bus would have been significantly later arriving at Ashby. Also our journey tracked exactly where we had gone and the earlier ones vanished. After Shepshed we visited places the main 127 to Loughborough does not want to serve including the village of Nanpantan, approaching the town passing near the university. Oddly, as I write this, the whole route LC16 has vanished from BusTimes but looking at Arriva vehicle 3155 the journeys can still be seen!
We were about 10 minutes late into Loughborough and ideally that left me with just five minutes to catch the Kinch 9 into Nottingham at 10.45, the alternative being half an hour later. Not so, as the 10.15 to Nottingham, a fairly well loaded Solo, was on the stand with the driver gone for a comfort break, having been seriously delayed on its inward journey. Indeed all the buses on the route looked to be delayed but this one the worst, so I thought it safer to catch it now – a bird in the hand etc – rather than find a later journey turned short somewhere or delayed for a driver to finish their break. We set off on time – for the journey I had meant to take – but picked up a fair few more passengers as we headed up the main road through the delightfully named village of Bunny and into Nottingham via the edge of West Bridgeford. We were about five minutes later by the time we arrived at Broad Marsh bus station. This is a new bus station, replacing the one on the site which I am sure others can remember far better than me. It was not busy and still seemed a little gloomy despite the bright sunshine outside.
I walked up into the city centre past an area now being improved with some planting reminiscent of rural meadows and up to the main city square which I really like. I was there last winter on my trip from Mansfield and it was much busier then with a Christmas market, this time it was quite quiet. My next leg was on Trent Barton (sorry, I can hardly bring myself to type trentbarton), the route called Indigo, which provides a bus every 10 minutes to Long Eaton and then every 20 minutes to Derby. The route is run by modern E200s and everything looked to be in the correct livery. The bus before mine left about 7 minutes late and we caught it up quite quickly and then ran in parallel through Beeston and Chilwell with us arriving in Long Eaton just first, albeit a couple of minutes late. We were busy throughout with passengers joining and alighting all along the route. Long Eaton was a new destination for me and seems to be a major centre in the furniture industry, specifically for sofas, with several factories and outlets. The town hall is also an attractive building. The town seemed busier than elsewhere but perhaps just because of the traffic. From here I wanted to continue to Castle Donington on the Skylink (Nottingham version) and I was pleased to note that my bus was a Volvo B7RLE, most of the other buses being E200s. It was about 10 minutes late and very well loaded leaving Long Eaton, but over half the passengers alighted at Sawley, a busy section even though this is paralleled by the Trent Barton 15.
Castle Donington was where I considered to be my main destination for the day. I had been though the town before but not alighted and it was clearly an attractive place. The main part of the town is up a slight walk from the bus station and has a decent high street and some old buildings. There is nothing to see of the castle though, this went centuries ago but I had nearly an hour for a wander around the town. Back at the bus station my next leg was another rural and infrequent route, the Diamond 125. I don’t know the history of this route but again it is a long way from Diamond’s base in Burton and is being given up in July. It runs from Castle Donington to Coalville and then via a rural route to Leicester. From July it appears that Arriva are taking over the Coalville to Leicester section as the LC15 but the Coalville to Castle Donington section, which just runs twice a day, is being abandoned. Worryingly nothing was tracking on BusTimes or Diamond’s website but just before the due time a Diamond Metrocity, 30991, which was not tracking, appeared on the route. We had a few passengers on board this condemned route and gained more as we went along. The 125 avoids East Midlands Airport which dominates local bus services in the area but passes close to Donington Park before reaching the very attractive village of Breedon on the Hill. Here there is a church high up on the hillside, part of the village is dominated by limestone quarries – as is much of the local area – but the bus does a double run to turn at the very pretty village green. We then continued along country back roads including through the village of Newbold, which I had been through earlier on the 129 and formed the centre spot of the figure-of-eight route I was covering, gaining a few more passengers so we were into double figures arriving at Coalville. Most of these places have no alternative bus service so are likely to be left without anything.
We changed drivers just before reaching the middle of Coalville, clearly using a car or van as a ferry vehicle as keys changed hands between the drivers. The journey then has 15 minutes pause in Coalville, I don’t know why, but we were a few minutes late arriving and I was alighting here. Coalville is a former mining town with the remains of Snibston Colliery, including some buildings, now a country park. The town also has an impressive memorial in the town centre but otherwise is not the most attractive of places. I have a recollection of visiting in the 1970s with the town alive to the sound of Leyland Nationals on services around the town and to neighbouring colliery villages. Inevitably little of this remains, the Midland Red depot is long gone but Arriva maintains an outstation at Roberts Coaches to the south of the town. The Diamond 125, shortly to become the Arriva LC15, will continue to provide one route from the town to Leicester while Arriva run the half hourly 29/29A between Leicester and Swadlincote (via Coalville and Ashby-de-la-Zouch) and also the 28 via villages to the south, while there are local routes to Whitwick, Ibstock and Agar Nook. Arriva also runs an hourly 16 through Shepshed to Loughborough and the Skylink from Nottingham via East Midlands Airport comes in hourly. Apart from the latter Arriva will run everything from next month.
I was going next to Leicester and had the choice of the 28 and 29/29A routes. I had assumed the main 29/29A would be the quicker option but in fact these routes are slower as they virtually do a double run to the colliery village of Whitwick and back almost to Coalville town centre before heading into Leicester, even then with diversions off the main road. As a result these routes take an hour or so into Leicester, the same length of time as the 28 which takes a more rural route to the south. The 28 interworks with the 15 to Ibstock and the local routes are run with a mix of E200s and Solos, while the Coalville outstation also contributes to the 29/29A and runs double deckers on the 16 to Loughborough. So Coalville will soon have a 15 and an LC15 – confusing or what! I decided to take the 28, because this was coming first, and we took an Arriva driver to the Roberts depot on the way out of town. The 28 takes a rural route through the former mining villages of Bagworth and Thornton, but we were plagued by another road closure in Bagworth and had to take a long way round between one end of the village and the other. Around Thornton the countryside was hilly and quite scenic and we then continued to the more urban sprawl villages of Ratby and Groby before heading into Leicester on the main road. I am really surprised there isn’t a faster route between Coalville and Leicester, all existing options take up to an hour with nothing faster even at peak times. There are proposals to reopen the Ivanhoe railway line between Leicester and Burton on Trent via Coalville and Ashby, you would have thought that if there was to be any chance of doing this a case for demand between these locations would include a well-used frequent fast bus service. I saw the line once or twice, it is very overgrown and many places such as level crossings would present challenges to restoration. Also it does not go close to Swadlincote while rail capacity at Leicester is limited. I would think any such reopening would be a huge project and unlikely to be justified.
We arrived at Leicester and I could have headed straight back to Market Bosworth or waited for an hour. I decided to wait and explore part of the city centre. Although I had been to Leicester many times before and seen the ‘highlights’ I had not really explored some of the streets on the western part of the city centre. I spent a lazy time wandering around here, many of these much improved, had a little refreshment and walked around some of the city centre. The area I remember reverberating to the sounds of Leicester’s Metropolitans back in the 1970s is now mainly pedestrianised with a new bus station at Haymarket, a short distance down the road from the St Margarets Bus Station. Most of the buses glided silently around here as they were new electrics, both from First and Arriva, in a similar green livery. My final leg was on the Arriva 153 back to Market Bosworth, run by a Pulsar. There are sometimes double deckers on this route and one would have been useful at the start of the journey as it runs out of the city along the same route as the Arriva 158 and Stagecoach 148 towards Hinckley. The previous 158 had not run and so a large number of passengers joined in the city centre stops after the bus station, many of whom alighted within the first couple of miles. After turning off the main road through Kirkby Muxloe where quite a few passengers alighted we then went along a short section of road I had covered earlier on the 28 before heading out into the section only covered by the 153, still with quite a few passengers. Many alighted at each of the villages of Desford, Newbold Verdon and Barlestone, leaving just me and two others – the young lads who I had seen board the bus at 7.30 – continuing to Market Bosworth.
So there is some investment in Leicestershire with the LC series of rural routes and of course lots of new electric buses in the city. But the county has not fared well in rural routes in recent years and the trunk route from Swadlincote to Leicester, while still half hourly as it has always been, has got slower and slower over the years. Everyone complains about Arriva’s lack of investment, obviously the new electrics have had external funding but there are some 72-plate E200s and E400s but also a lot of older vehicles, Solos, Versas and Pulsars. I didn’t get to see much of Kinchbus but clearly their fleet requires some investment while Trent Barton’s shortcomings feature frequently on this forum. Diamond Buses looked to be OK but I suspect are on a gentle decline into mediocrity following their change in ownership. An interesting day in a relatively unknown area. Anyway, enough wittering, here are some photos…
Market Bosworth
Ashby-de-la-Zouch
Rewilding in Nottingham city centre
Long Eaton town hall
Castle Donington
A back street in Castle Donington
Breedon on the Hill, the top of the church can just be seen above the hill
Country scenery near Thornton, from the 28
Leicester
Omnidekkalover
Member
Currently finishing a loop of the peaks. Started on the pronto from Nottingham to chesterfield. Arriving at my stop 4 minutes late before going up to 10 minutes late by the end and no later the bus was a 69 plated older pronto liveried bus. Towards Hasland we overtook a late running pronto which was an ex Manchester beachball mmc.
After that changed to a 170 between chesterfield and Bakewell by Stagecoach Yorkshire. A pretty nice E400EV for was the vehicle. This leg went without issue. The road towards Baslow is spectacular. The bus arrived into Bakewell on time.
Got lunch in Bakewell (Coop hot dog, own brand salt and vinegar crisps and lucozade.)
Once it was 11:50 my 173 turned up which was an ex-Hulleys solo. Andrews J28 I believe, don’t know the old Hulleys number. Nearly went crash into a Severn Trent van because the waterworks people turned the lollipop sign from go to stop. To say the driver of the bus was unhappy might be putting it mildly as she opened the doors and gave the waterworks people a piece of her mind. Then the highlight of the trip was the deviation through cressbrook which was spectacular. Then we arrived into Castleton early.
As soon as I was in Castleton. I changed to High Peak’s 272 (and realised I had lost my provisional license en-route.) The vehicle was High Peak/Centrebus citaro 809. Very lovely vehicle. Did the difficult Bradwell diversion. Started to rain when I got to the edge of Sheffield. Arrived early into Sheffield as to be expected for that route.
Changed directly on to Stagecoach Yorkshire’s 50 to chesterfield. Another uneventful journey. Vehicle was another 25 plated E400EV. Arrived into chesterfield on time.
The final bus was a good old pronto. Waited 20 minutes to be let on as per usual. Have done the slog to Mansfield from chesterfield and now am on the fast bit between Mansfield and Nottingham. Vehicle is an 18 plated E400MMC in an older pronto livery. Running approx on time
After that changed to a 170 between chesterfield and Bakewell by Stagecoach Yorkshire. A pretty nice E400EV for was the vehicle. This leg went without issue. The road towards Baslow is spectacular. The bus arrived into Bakewell on time.
Got lunch in Bakewell (Coop hot dog, own brand salt and vinegar crisps and lucozade.)
Once it was 11:50 my 173 turned up which was an ex-Hulleys solo. Andrews J28 I believe, don’t know the old Hulleys number. Nearly went crash into a Severn Trent van because the waterworks people turned the lollipop sign from go to stop. To say the driver of the bus was unhappy might be putting it mildly as she opened the doors and gave the waterworks people a piece of her mind. Then the highlight of the trip was the deviation through cressbrook which was spectacular. Then we arrived into Castleton early.
As soon as I was in Castleton. I changed to High Peak’s 272 (and realised I had lost my provisional license en-route.) The vehicle was High Peak/Centrebus citaro 809. Very lovely vehicle. Did the difficult Bradwell diversion. Started to rain when I got to the edge of Sheffield. Arrived early into Sheffield as to be expected for that route.
Changed directly on to Stagecoach Yorkshire’s 50 to chesterfield. Another uneventful journey. Vehicle was another 25 plated E400EV. Arrived into chesterfield on time.
The final bus was a good old pronto. Waited 20 minutes to be let on as per usual. Have done the slog to Mansfield from chesterfield and now am on the fast bit between Mansfield and Nottingham. Vehicle is an 18 plated E400MMC in an older pronto livery. Running approx on time
TheGrandWazoo
Veteran Member
A very interesting report from @RELL6L in an area that I both know reasonably well and is yet alien. I used to work with a supplier in Coalville, and lived not far from Ashby. I've even driven to Breedon on the Hill, intrigued by what was there. Yet I've seldom travelled around Leicestershire and not by bus.
Perhaps I need to spend less time in South Wales and escape to some other spots...
A Coop hotdog... brave man!!! Must get back to the Peak District at some point.
Thanks to everyone who keeps posting - lots of inspiration and ideas being shared