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Class 701 'Aventra' trains for South Western Railway: progress updates

Goldfish62

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Good to hear. 1 diagram every two weeks isn't two bad, although two would have been preferable. Better than none at all..
The current carriage working notices, which reflect all 14 diagrams being introduced, are effective until 18 July. So with 8 diagrams from next week that leaves another 6 to be introduced by then.
 
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The current carriage working notices, which reflect all 14 diagrams being introduced, are effective until 18 July. So with 8 diagrams from next week that leaves another 6 to be introduced by then.
Thanks. Very interesting. That is basically one new diagram per week on average between next Monday and 18 July.
 
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New article from RAIL where Lord Hendy talks about the issues facing SWR at the time of nationalisation:
Speaking about South Western he added: “There’s a bit to do.

"They have to get the new trains into service, because many have been sitting around for years.”
“They will have to sort the Arterios, some of which require repairs due to degradation before they’ve carried a passenger. Sort the union relationship. Run longer trains. Then have the first timetable recast since Andrew Haines did it more than 20 years ago, when he ran SWT (South West Trains), because the pattern of passenger demand is different now.
Interesting to see the 701s and the timetable cast mentioned, which relies on the former.
 

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Interesting to see the 701s and the timetable cast mentioned, which relies on the former.
Yes, this has been previously mentioned in Modern Railways. The recast is due next year, presumably December. Surely sufficient 701s will be in service by then. I'd have thought it would be extremely unlikely that anywhere near the whole fleet will be needed for the recast timetable, which presumably could still manage with a handful of 455s hanging around in the short term.
 

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The current carriage working notices, which reflect all 14 diagrams being introduced, are effective until 18 July
That reflects eight weeks. When issuing permanent amendments (PA's), which this example effectively is, being dated as such, this is the agreed format as has been the case for more years than I remember. It is based around long established 'legalities' involving train crew establishment/rostering.
If the same format is followed going forward, the next CWN when issued will likely apply from Sun 20/7 to Sat 13/9.
Depending on the speed of the 701 rollout, it may be that that figure of 14 permanent diagrams rolls over as is, in to the next issue. On the other hand if things go better/faster, then the number of such diagrams will be increased. Whilst I have no inside knowledge whatsoever, with past experience I am minded to think (hope) the latter will be the case.

But looking on the down side (just for a moment), if things do not work out so well in the next few weeks, the opportunity will be there to just re-date the present CWN, complete with its 14 x 701 diagrams, and re issue same to run until 13/9 to allow reality on the ground to catch up.

I am sure this will be a work in progress as we speak, and issuing the CWN in this way for as long as the rollout takes, should have the benefit of reducing some of the workload on those other planners (and others) who will no doubt be busy enough with regular engineering work streams etc. That's my best guess.
 

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That reflects eight weeks. When issuing permanent amendments (PA's), which this example effectively is, being dated as such, this is the agreed format as has been the case for more years than I remember. It is based around long established 'legalities' involving train crew establishment/rostering.
If the same format is followed going forward, the next CWN when issued will likely apply from Sun 20/7 to Sat 13/9.
Depending on the speed of the 701 rollout, it may be that that figure of 14 permanent diagrams rolls over as is, in to the next issue. On the other hand if things go better/faster, then the number of such diagrams will be increased. Whilst I have no inside knowledge whatsoever, with past experience I am minded to think (hope) the latter will be the case.

But looking on the down side (just for a moment), if things do not work out so well in the next few weeks, the opportunity will be there to just re-date the present CWN, complete with its 14 x 701 diagrams, and re issue same to run until 13/9 to allow reality on the ground to catch up.

I am sure this will be a work in progress as we speak, and issuing the CWN in this way for as long as the rollout takes, should have the benefit of reducing some of the workload on those other planners (and others) who will no doubt be busy enough with regular engineering work streams etc. That's my best guess.
Thanks. Interesting insight.
 

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The main suburban train service, as in which destinations, is based on timetable/platform occupancy at Waterloo. I will refer again back to 8 car 455 days in the 1990's/2000's. Waterloo and the platform usage there in, is the driving factor of the main suburban train plan. Hampton Court is just one of the destinations that form part of that overall plan. It has never been singled out for preferential treatment over and above any other suburban route.
 

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How often are these going to Hampton Court anyway?
If you go on the SWR website via this link, the diagrams have been posted. You can scroll down to the Hampton Court section and see. One or two are still 455/450s as they are slowly being transferred over to 701 running.

 

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Green Signals video this week talking about SWR. It was suggested one of the prioroties MUST be to get the 701's into service, as SWR are paying for two fleets. It was suggested they need to get the old fleet off the books ASAP.
 

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Green Signals video this week talking about SWR. It was suggested one of the prioroties MUST be to get the 701's into service, as SWR are paying for two fleets. It was suggested they need to get the old fleet off the books ASAP.
Yes, it was Sir Michael Holden who stated that, while only just holding back his exasperation at the slow pace of introduction.

Yes, they need to be in service ASAP so the 455s can be got shot of ASAP.
 

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Simplified - now only citing the number of days in service, as several units have worked split or partial diagrams

Totals, first and most recent outings (2024 dates in italic)

701039 (109) January 10th, January 9th
701037 (108) January 9th, January 9th
701043 (108) January 16th, January 9th
701036 (89) March 7th, January 9th
701017 (26) November 25th, January 9th
701031 (22) October 28th, January 9th
701028 (3) February 6th, February 9th

(total 465)

Last upodated 9 January 2025 - new thread here https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/701-operation.279842/
Looks like one of these is in due an update to add 701035 to your may post.
 

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Any idea when a 701 will start mainline running as far as Southampton/Bournemouth?
 

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Any idea when a 701 will start mainline running as far as Southampton/Bournemouth?
They did during mileage accumulation runs and trips to Bournemouth Depot but won't form normal passenger services that far down. Never say never though as a 707 did manage to get to Southampton in service one day.
 

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Looks like one of these is in due an update to add 701035 to your may post.
The first post in the new thread referred to has been kept updated.

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Any idea when a 701 will start mainline running as far as Southampton/Bournemouth?
There are no plans, but as there are now more than are now needed post Covid, some of them may be repurposed.
After all, the 458/4s are not yet in use on the Portsmouth line!

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Waiting at the level crossing at North Sheen this morning, we saw a 701 passing, and then a 1x455. Shortly after that, a 2x458/4 went through. Getting a bit impatient after three trains, I remarked to my passenger that we only needed a 450 to get the set. Almost immediately, that's exactly what happened, after which the barriers finally lifted!
 
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The first post in the new thread referred to has been kept updated.

== Doublepost prevention - post automatically merged: ==


There are no plans, but as there are now more than are now needed post Covid, some of them may be repurposed.
After all, the 458/4s are not yet in use on the Portsmouth line!

== Doublepost prevention - post automatically merged: ==

Waiting at the level crossing at North Sheen this morning, we saw a 701 passing, and then a 1x455. Shortly after that, a 2x458/4 went through. Getting a bit impatient after three trains, I remarked to my passenger that we only needed a 450 to get the set. Almost immediately, that's exactly what happened, after which the barriers finally lifted!
Thanks
 

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Today's testing:

5T91 - Clapham Yard - Waterloo - normal.
5T92 - Waterloo - Waterloo - Kingston loop via Richmond/
5T93 - Waterloo - Clapham Yard - goes to Epsom, reverses and heads back to the Yard.


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They did during mileage accumulation runs and trips to Bournemouth Depot but won't form normal passenger services that far down. Never say never though as a 707 did manage to get to Southampton in service one day.
That was due to the fact that no other units were able to be swapped to fill in for that service, and it required trains that went above 75mph. Unless that happens again, it's unlikely, but 458/4s could potentially fill in since they are capable of reaching 100mph.
 

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Special service on Windsor side from Waterloo as the Reading and Weybridges only go as far as Staines today. I can only assume for planning reasons that since there is more 459s and 450s avaliable then those are being used today over the 701s which will be ready for Monday.
 

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1D12 is switching to 701 next week. Unsure if the rest of the diagram is though
But neither 2U07, 2H90 nor 2J92 were 701s this morning

2U07 and 2J92 cancelled due to planned train replaced with as slower train (but diagrams didn't run at all)
2h90 run by 450002
 

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