Waiting for a platform at Skipton (14/06)

[MichaelTrains]

I’m currently on the LNER service between Connolly and Skipton and we've been sat at a red light for nearly twenty minutes now.

The train manager walked down the train and I asked what the delay was and he said he didnt have a clue.

Can anyone tell me if the delay is serious or not?

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Panic over - we are moving slowly.

Apparently LNER have messed up by using a longer train than usual and we have overrun the points.

 

[800001]

I’m currently on the LNER service between Connolly and Skipton and we've been sat at a red light for nearly twenty minutes now.

The train manager walked down the train and I asked what the delay was and he said he didnt have a clue.

Can anyone tell me if the delay is serious or not?

== Doublepost prevention - post automatically merged: Saturday at 21:37 ==

Panic over - we are moving slowly.

Apparently LNER have messed up by using a longer train than usual and we have overrun the points.

Can’t understand how you can over run points in that location.

 

[MichaelTrains]

Can’t understand how you can over run points in that location.

It’s not my area of expertise but the four rear carriages are not on the platform.

 

[800001]

It’s not my area of expertise but the four rear carriages are not on the platform.

So the train hasn’t over ran points, a 9 car Azuma or a Intercity 225 can only use platform 2 I believe at Skipton, and has to go slightly past the end of the platform at the north end.

If the set had been booked a 5 car Azuma it can go in another platform.

The delay would most likely have been due to waiting for platform 2 to become available.

Looking at RTT it arrived platform 2 after 2S63 2133 Skipton to Bradford Forster Square had departed.

 

[bluenoxid]

The LNER appear to be booked for platform 4, which a 5 car train would achieve but it appears that a full length Azuma was provided. The service that formed the 2133 used platform 2 as booked.

There’s probably a question to ask if work could be done to allow a 9/10 car train to pass the signal at the Skipton end of platform 4 and terminate with only some doors on the platform. It would block the branch to Rylestone.

However it would probably be cheaper to put some form of train length validation tool on to the Aire Valley that checks train length and validates it against what is in the system and alerts to mismatches.

 

[dk1]

At least the ECS (5D26) from this got a decent run. Also left Skipton 20L but clawed that back arriving Neville Hill 1E.

 

[MichaelTrains]

The LNER appear to be booked for platform 4, which a 5 car train would achieve but it appears that a full length Azuma was provided. The service that formed the 2133 used platform 2 as booked.

There’s probably a question to ask if work could be done to allow a 9/10 car train to pass the signal at the Skipton end of platform 4 and terminate with only some doors on the platform. It would block the branch to Rylestone.

However it would probably be cheaper to put some form of train length validation tool on to the Aire Valley that checks train length and validates it against what is in the system and alerts to mismatches.

I don’t think anything at Skipton can take 9/10 coaches because even after waiting 20 minutes to reset the points there were three and a half coaches not on platform two.

 

[800001]

I don’t think anything at Skipton can take 9/10 coaches because even after waiting 20 minutes to reset the points there were three and a half coaches not on platform two.

As I said in my post last night, 9 car Azuma and intercity 225 use platform 2, and at the north end go off the platform. If you stand at end of platform there is a stop sign showing where they need to stop.
And as i also said last night you were not waiting for anything to do with the points, you were sat waiting for a northern service to depart from platform 2, as soon as that departed your train then moved into platform 2.

 

[ASharpe]

If the train goes past the signal at the end of platform 2 then presumably it would occupy the overlap before the crossover and so nothing could come from the carriage sidings (or Gargrave). Or are ECS moves out allowed unsignalled?

 

[Crossover]

If the train goes past the signal at the end of platform 2 then presumably it would occupy the overlap before the crossover and so nothing could come from the carriage sidings (or Gargrave). Or are ECS moves out allowed unsignalled?

I was wondering this too, whilst reading through the thread

My assumption would be that if occupies the next berth then it will lock all the points and prevent anything from the CS or Gargrave

 

[308165]

If the train goes past the signal at the end of platform 2 then presumably it would occupy the overlap before the crossover and so nothing could come from the carriage sidings (or Gargrave). Or are ECS moves out allowed unsignalled?

This is an interesting one. I used to live at Skipton and I'm fairly sure that with an HST it was possible for the nose end to be beyond the signal, but the wheels, would just be inside the signal, and the route would reset and shunt movements were made to/from platform 3 and the sidings. I don't know the situation with azumas.

In the past I think HSTs have terminated in P4 occasionally, and on one occasion around 25 years ago P3.