Football Hooligans - AGAIN

[Anon Mouse]

Here come the Threats then. (No Surprise).

I said Leeds were the worst travelling fans I've had on(Service and Special)and I get the following.

Did I say ALL Leeds Fans are hooligans?
Did I say Leeds Fans were morons?
Did I say Leeds Fans were idiots?

I don't think I did? Do you want to check the thread? I'll wait for you.

As I work with a few Leeds fans, I'm not going to make a generalisation, but I've worked trains full of Leeds fans and there has been loads of problems. I am a Sunderland fan, and in addition to the shocking incident at Hartlepool I find Sunderland fans to be pretty bad (experiences at work and travelling to away games). Newcastle fans can also be troublesome as can Middlesbrough. However I've had Millwall fans on my train twice and dispite their reputation they were as good as gold. The point is, football fans come from all walks of life and there are bad eggs in all crowds. The higher the away following, the higher the minority of troublemakers, so your Sunderland's, Newcastle's and Leeds have a higher minority and are more noticeable and your York City's, Wigan Athletic's and Hartlepools are lower and less noticeable.

 

[FGW_Lad]

You should have seen the Coventry fans at Reading yesterday, had a lot of respect for them during the match, singing and chanting all the game whilst supporting their troubled club but afterwards complete disgrace.

Anyways I've been to away games where Reading fans have acted like complete morons so every team has some idiotic fans.

 

[Jeremy B]

I was speaking to my neighbours earlier and they travelled back from London last night on the last East Coast train from Kings Cross. They were unaware football fans would be travelling on the train until they arrived at the station but were full of praise for the police & the train staff who were patrolling the train stopping any trouble. I suppose you can just never tell which train will be troublesome and which will not.

 

[WelshBluebird]

Why am I not surprised that it took just to the second page for people to start suggesting all football fans have to suffer because of a small minority of idiots?

 

[PHILIPE]

I recall in the 1980s . Mrs Thatcher telling football to sort out hooliganism. It was not confined to football but just part of general behaviour which we still have with us, having increased, today

 

[londonbridge]

I was speaking to my neighbours earlier and they travelled back from London last night on the last East Coast train from Kings Cross. They were unaware football fans would be travelling on the train until they arrived at the station but were full of praise for the police & the train staff who were patrolling the train stopping any trouble. I suppose you can just never tell which train will be troublesome and which will not.

I'm assuming your neighbours don't follow football then or they would have known Newcastle were playing Spurs at WHL on the tea-time kick-off. Apart from which,when one of the North-East teams has a Saturday away match in London,trains back afterwards are generally dry.

I was coming in the opposite direction,having been up to Sunderland for the Arsenal match,not surprisingly it was the Arsenal fans who were making most of the racket on the way back. Also Grand Central were having problems with the heating,or at least in our carriage as it was freezing and a lot of us ended up putting our coats on.

 

[Flamingo]

Rugby fans were OK leaving Cardiff tonight. Good humoured bunch. Some bloody rough women, though!

 

[WelshBluebird]

Rugby fans were OK leaving Cardiff tonight. Good humoured bunch. Some bloody rough women, though!

Would have been a different story if we (Wales) had lost IMO.

 

[Flamingo]

Would have been a different story if we (Wales) had lost IMO.

Naw, I reckon the women would still have been rough.

 

[BestWestern]

Why am I not surprised that it took just to the second page for people to start suggesting all football fans have to suffer because of a small minority of idiots?

Because you know full well just how much grief that small minority causes, and you know that it's out of order and totally unacceptable, and that it warrants harsh action being taken.

I can't help but be amused at those who genuinely feel that enforced travel arrangements to a football match breach anybody's 'yuman rites', bless! Erm, crowd segregation outside the ground, fans being held inside the ground whilst the other lot go home, fans having to sit at different ends, etc etc etc.... When you're being herded cattle-like into your end of the ground or whatever, I presume you all take a stand and tell those horse-mounted, baton-wielding policemen how terribly unfair it all is, and how it's only a small minority you know, and how they're breaching your human rights because actually you'd rather go and sit at the other end with the other team's fans 'coz they're actually really quite friendly and won't mind at all....or do you just quietly get on with it I wonder?! :roll:

The fact is that the aggressive, feral and troublesome nature of football crowds has caused major problems for years, and as such they are now routinely treated like big crowds of naughty children - all be it very violent ones - because they can't behave themselves. We all accept that it is a small minority, but the remaining majority need to appreciate is that it's no good having a hissy fit at the rest of society when they tell you -shock horror - that they've had enough, the problem is within the football community, and your fellow fanbase. When the trouble stops, so will the heavy policing, simple really.

 

[Clip]

Cant remember the last time I was heard by 'horse-mounted baton weilding police' to any away match apart from the Mackems.

But dont let facts from football supporters get in your way with your ill-informed ranting.

Wondering what you will be saying about the thread of the real ale trail.....


I doubt very much.

 

[BestWestern]

Cant remember the last time I was heard by 'horse-mounted baton weilding police' to any away match apart from the Mackems.

But dont let facts from football supporters get in your way with your ill-informed ranting.

Wondering what you will be saying about the thread of the real ale trail.....


I doubt very much.

Surely 'facts from football supporters' would be true and accurate, wouldn't they?! :roll:

 

[Clip]

Surely 'facts from football supporters' would be true and accurate, wouldn't they?! :roll:

Nah, I obviously made up my first sentence because I like lying about things that I see with my own eyes roughly every fortnight.

And take spurs just gone - went off with no problems both on the train back home and in the local pubs. But hey, like I said dont let facts get in the way or your narrow mindedness

 

[BestWestern]

Nah, I obviously made up my first sentence because I like lying about things that I see with my own eyes roughly every fortnight.

And take spurs just gone - went off with no problems both on the train back home and in the local pubs. But hey, like I said dont let facts get in the way or your narrow mindedness

...Replace 'narrow mindedness' with "EXPERIENCE"

 

[marks87]

I've been getting the train to and from the football for almost a decade now and only once have I been caught up in trouble (the Aberdeen fan who was set on fire on a Voyager in Fife).

However, on Saturdays, the most rowdy groups of people I generally encounter are middle-aged women heading for a hen night in Glasgow or (presumably) Newcastle. I would therefore like to propose that anyone travelling to a hen (or, out of fairness, stag) night be dumped on dry coaches and taken to where they want to be.

 

[balne-wonderer]

Here come the Threats then. (No Surprise).

I said Leeds were the worst travelling fans I've had on(Service and Special)and I get the following.

Did I say ALL Leeds Fans are hooligans?
Did I say Leeds Fans were morons?
Did I say Leeds Fans were idiots?

I don't think I did? Do you want to check the thread? I'll wait for you.

Sorry how was that a threat? I didn't like the way you are generalising Leeds fans, I never said I was going to knock your block off did I.

"Worst Travelling fans, Leeds United fans" I am a travelling fan. So you are clearly including me and every other travelling Leeds fan in that statement. I've been to around 200 away games with Leeds United and i've never seen any trouble on any trains. So obviously you've just got an agenda or your still living in 1975.

 

[Anon Mouse]

I've been getting the train to and from the football for almost a decade now and only once have I been caught up in trouble (the Aberdeen fan who was set on fire on a Voyager in Fife).

However, on Saturdays, the most rowdy groups of people I generally encounter are middle-aged women heading for a hen night in Glasgow or (presumably) Newcastle. I would therefore like to propose that anyone travelling to a hen (or, out of fairness, stag) night be dumped on dry coaches and taken to where they want to be.

at least that would prevent me getting touched up by rough middle aged women. For some reason lasses on hen parties seem to think its totally acceptable to what is essentially sexual assault on a male conductor, yet imagine if a stag party did the same to a female?

 

[marks87]

at least that would prevent me getting touched up by rough middle aged women. For some reason lasses on hen parties seem to think its totally acceptable to what is essentially sexual assault on a male conductor, yet imagine if a stag party did the same to a female?

Funny you should say that, because I'd put something similar in the first draft of my post (I thought'd I'd kept it in).

 

[Anon Mouse]

Funny you should say that, because I'd put something similar in the first draft of my post (I thought'd I'd kept it in).

I will be totally honest with you, hen parties IMO are much worse than footie fans. Footie fans are reasonably predictable, hen parties are plain scary. Group of women on my train last night, one grabbed my backside and another tried to put her finger up my bum while another started shouting that I had put a hole in her tights while touching her up with the rest of them cackling away.

 

[shotts56]

Its the same some of thing that resulted in their being more arrests at the Take That concert at Hampden two years ago than there has ever been at any Old Firm game ever.

The behaviour of some ****ed up middle-aged women on their one night out of the year has to be seen to be believed sometimes.

 

[Anon Mouse]

Its the same some of thing that resulted in their being more arrests at the Take That concert at Hampden two years ago than there has ever been at any Old Firm game ever.

The behaviour of some ****ed up middle-aged women on their one night out of the year has to be seen to be believed sometimes.

Wonder if that was in The Daily Mail?

Drunk women are awful sometimes and it makes no difference if they are jovial or aggresive they are much worse that most footie fans.

However the worst type of passenger, which includes men and women are Racegoers (not all, but a loud minority) and they are a nightmare. I totally dread Racedays!!!!!

 

[Bellwater]

Yes, Racegoers and Rugby Union Fans. Alcohol and Attitude.

 

[Flamingo]

"But it's just the lads havin a larf..."

 

[DarloRich]

You are absolutely spot on. This same tactic was also used recently when Portsmouth played Southampton, another fixture which has an ugly history of pathetic knuckle-dragging degenerates in need of one-way tickets to somewhere other than a football ground. Coaches in, coaches out, no trouble. Amazingly, despite it being common knowledge that carnage usually reigns at these matches, there were the inevitable moans from fans that it 'wasnt fair', what a shame for them :roll:

The simple fact is that it's high time that EVERY away ticket for EVERY league football match came with a seat on a chartered coach, at the club's expense. Public transport, and the railway in particular, shouldn't have to keep putting up with these idiotic people who cause so much grief for everybody else. The level of violence, disorder and general offence to other people on a regular basis is simply unacceptable, and it's time it was brought to a sharp stop. It might be a minority, but it's too large a minority to ignore, and if the decent fans have a problem with tight policing then it's their fellow supporters/yobs they need to be taking it up with, not those who have to go out there and keep the lot of them under control. A football match is, ultimately, of no importance or value to society. The continued resigned acceptance that this shambles is 'just what happens' on match days desperately needs reviewing. If they can afford to spend obscene sums of cash on spoilt players then they can afford to sort out their own bl**dy transport arrangements!

:roll::roll:Bullcrap - I am able to go to every Darlo game by public transport, have a few pints in whatever town i am visiting and, and this is the key point here, NOT smash up anything, punch anyone or behave like a wan*er.

It is high time people who know nothing about what they are talking about shut up. It is people like you who seem to think we still live in the 1970's. FFS the last time I saw trouble at a game was 1986.

What people like you fail to understand (or perhaps wish to accept) is that the wonderful police treatment of people leads to more trouble and unpleasantness than anything else. Anyone who has travelled to an away game has been treated like crap by the Police. This section of the your post The level of violence, disorder and general offence to other people on a regular basis is simply unacceptable, could quite easily be applied to police officers.

By the same token anyone who is caught behaving like a moron should be treated in accordance with the law. If they can be identified prosecute them. I assume the train was fitted with CCTV. Use it to gain a prosecution of those causing criminal damage or battery/ABH/GBH to a staff member and lock them up.

btw you seem to be suggesting that only league matches would require segregated transport. It shows that you don’t understand that the higher flashpoints are often cup games!

 

[Anon Mouse]

:roll::roll:Bullcrap - I am able to go to every Darlo game by public transport, have a few pints in whatever town i am visiting and, and this is the key point here, NOT smash up anything, punch anyone or behave like a wan*er.

It is high time people who know nothing about what they are talking about shut up. It is people like you who seem to think we still live in the 1970's. FFS the last time I saw trouble at a game was 1986.

What people like you fail to understand (or perhaps wish to accept) is that the wonderful police treatment of people leads to more trouble and unpleasantness than anything else. Anyone who has travelled to an away game has been treated like crap by the Police. This section of the your post The level of violence, disorder and general offence to other people on a regular basis is simply unacceptable, could quite easily be applied to police officers.

By the same token anyone who is caught behaving like a moron should be treated in accordance with the law. If they can be identified prosecute them. I assume the train was fitted with CCTV. Use it to gain a prosecution of those causing criminal damage or battery/ABH/GBH to a staff member and lock them up.

btw you seem to be suggesting that only league matches would require segregated transport. It shows that you don’t understand that the higher flashpoints are often cup games!

I couldn't agree more. The only serious bother I've seen has been at Derby games, where the Newcastle fans have been transported on organised transport and they have tried to get to Sunderland fans/or have been attacked by Sunderland fans outside the stadium. I have seen minor 'flashpoints' at other places, but nothing on the scale that non football fans imagine, have seen on grainy 1980's CCTV on Scaremongering Panarama shows on TV....

 

[Bellwater]

"But it's just the lads havin a larf..."

Usually in some poor Danny Dyer/Ray Winstone-esque accent despite the person being born and brought up in an old Pit Village.

 

[curb]

I don't think there's an answer TBH,

I used to travel to away games regularly in the 70's and 80's and got caught up in a few things I'm not too proud of now.

Even so, I went to an away game on the train for the first time in years with my young son and was fairly shocked and embarrassed about the behaviour of some of my own team's fans. They weren't even ones who were causing trouble, just the general drunken/loudness/swearing was a bit intimidating for me, let alone the general public.

I travel regularly back from Sheffield to Derby on the 23;21 (platform 5), and it's never as bad as that, and even if there are one or two who are loud, most on the train at that time have been out on the town themselves, there are certainly no kids around.

I don't know what is about being at a football match that even now brings out the most basic tribal instincts in us, even though the atmosphere in stadiums is usually fairly sterile nowadays, with ticketing, seating, and cctv everywhere.

 

[SouthStand]

Here come the Threats then. (No Surprise).

I said Leeds were the worst travelling fans I've had on(Service and Special)and I get the following.

Did I say ALL Leeds Fans are hooligans?
Did I say Leeds Fans were morons?
Did I say Leeds Fans were idiots?

I don't think I did? Do you want to check the thread? I'll wait for you.

Can't see any threats there, just the usual anti-Leeds bias from a numpty.

 

[lemonic]

I was travelling on a train from Manchester to Bristol on a Saturday evening last November. The journey was ruined by Man U football fans. I was hoping for a relaxing journey but it felt like the whole carriage was full of them with their racist chants, shouting from one end of the carriage to the other, and some of them even saying how they were dads - would they behave like this in front of their children?

Their excuse for this 'It's only banter! And anyway, if you get on a flight with a stag/hen party and they are noisy, you can't do anything about it, so others just have to put up with it, we're only having a laugh!'

I don't care if football hooligans are in the minority, there are too many in that minority for it not to be a problem. I am sure that most of the people on that train would be normal, respectful people in general but football just seems to be an excuse for too many people to be inconsiderate to others.

 

[Bellwater]

Can't see any threats there, just the usual anti-Leeds bias from a numpty.

Will you be protesting outside my work then?