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Landslip between Banbury and Leamington Spa (31.01.2015)

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It's 18 miles of single track, two times nine miles.

Bit of a convoy on the Hinksey-Bescot run today

http://hondawanderer.com/70806_70808_70805_59201_Shipton_2015.htm
That's a very interesting photograph, with competing freight companies' locomotives apparently working the same train, but back on topic, the fact that the train ran to time and did not delay anything proves there is some capacity on the route. Even a couple of diverted XC trains each way per day would be very popular once people start taking their Easter breaks in Dorset and the students of Oxford are on the move.
 
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It is not safe to run trains near an active landslip as serious as this.
Hadfield took six months to reopen.
It might be wise to plan for this level of disruption.

Key events at Hatfield:
time before staff allowed on site
evaluation of problems
solution to problems
planning
mobilizing
removal of material
drainage
backwork
rebuilding formation.

Cost per day £1 000 000 to TOCs and repair.

The much smaller Unstone landsliup caused disruption on the MML which lasted 8 weeks+ .The partial closure was less disruptive because of the nearby 'old road'.

Does Didcot have some space available at the moment?
How does Network Rail afford these problems? Do they have a fund which assumes the worst or does other work simply get cancelled as the money eyes diverted to these repairs?
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On the southern section of the Cotswold line after 10 there is only one slot per hour available.

It takes about 20 mins to travel the single track section between Charlbury and Wolvercote.

There are however, some gaps - for example there is nothing towards London from 13.00 until 15.00 as there is no 14.00 London bound service but other than that there are simply no available slots - there maybe a couple after 22.00

XC would probably be limited to running 1 train in either direction every 2 hours.
That might be better than nothing. Of course their may be other reasons why it isn't feasible and it might be too expensive to organise for 2 trains an hour.

Selfishly I'd like single line working so I could travel on a train working under that rule but safety is more important than what I'd like.
 
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Even a couple of diverted XC trains each way per day would be very popular once ... the students of Oxford are on the move.

Agreed -14th March (when the current term ends) could be quite interesting!
 

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Because Birmingham to London is their lucrative market, Kidderminster to Brum is probably peanuts in comparison and LM are better off dealing with that whilst Chiltern try and keep their core market from moving away.

It will be interesting to see how much interest Chiltern have in going to Kidderminster once the current franchise ends in 2022.
 

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Would Birmingham-Cheltenham-Swindon-Paddington be considered a reasonable route?

Guessing Virgin will be horrendously overcrowded.

Have emailed FGW but with no response
 

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Network Rail now have a bit more about the history of the cutting on their website http://www.networkrail.co.uk/HarburyLandslip/

Interesting that it was 'the largest man-made cutting in the world' when it opened in 1847. Great 'before' and 'after' photos too, showing evidence of the work that must have been done after last year's incident.
 

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I've just spotted this on the XC website, referring to the replacement bus service:

Although this means some journeys could take up to 60 minutes longer than normal, we recommend you travel using this route while Network Rail works to reopen the line, as in most circumstances this service will offer the simplest and quickest option to complete your journey.

Here's the link to the full page.

Presumably this means that all ticket restrictions are in place again - including not being able to travel earlier on an advance ticket.
 

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Top of the page still says;

A rapid bus service is operating, linking trains terminating/starting at Banbury and Leamington Spa, and arrangements have been made for tickets to be valid for travel via London or Bristol.
 

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I'm due to go to a meeting in London mid-morning on 9/3 and have been advised by colleagues to travel up on Sunday, due to the possible over-crowding from Brum on Monday morning.
Hotel and rail ticket now booked!!
 

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Ooops - I missed that bit. :oops:

Between Reading and Wolverhampton there's practically nothing in it time-wise between London or Bristol alternatives, and Bristol doesn't involve messing about on the tube.

Reading to Stafford can be done quicker via London because of non-stop services from Euston.
 

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Not a fun week for Chiltern. Bridge strike at South Ruislip now, job stopped. Thank heaven for the Baker Street Wetherspoons!
 

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True but you could use to balance stock out either side of landslip

If I am on late's, I wouldn't mind route conducting drivers out and back over the Cotswolds for set swaps, easy shift with some company to boot, however in all seriousness, XC would have to pay FGW the bill
 

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Operators are tightly resourced on drivers though - so ideas on "going round the Wrekin" are great - but horribly difficult to manage in reality -

Looks like it could be a long one ......the effect on FLL diverting must be dire with reduced productivity for wagons and traincrew , never mind loco's.
 

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It's been reported that the Blockade at Watford has been scrapped and trains will run, Euston to new street any idea when these will be entered into the system Chiltern also states advanced fares for their route will be available is there any light on this?
 

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It's been reported that the Blockade at Watford has been scrapped and trains will run, Euston to new street any idea when these will be entered into the system Chiltern also states advanced fares for their route will be available is there any light on this?

It does take time to re-plan and validate a service at short notice.
 

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I understand that XC crews at Bristol and Birmingham sign Reading to New Street via Swindon and Bristol Parkway then reverse to New Street. Some also sign via Kemble I believe. Nothing via Cotswolds however.
 

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That's a very interesting photograph, with competing freight companies' locomotives apparently working the same train, but back on topic, the fact that the train ran to time and did not delay anything proves there is some capacity on the route. Even a couple of diverted XC trains each way per day would be very popular once people start taking their Easter breaks in Dorset and the students of Oxford are on the move.

In what way is a train that would normally run via the blocked line that is the subject of this thread being diverted via another line not on topic? Especially when people on here keep going on about using the said route for diversions, you included.

Since we still have two months to go until Easter, let's see what happens in the meantime. And I would venture to suggest that any Oxford student who can manage to get their luggage to Oxford station and across from the main entrance to platform 2 to get a northbound train could probably manage to get said luggage off a train at Banbury, on to a coach in the station forecourt and then off a coach at Leamington Spa and back on a train there, even it is a bit of an inconvenience.

I've never said you could not run some XC services via the Cotswold Line, route clearance of Voyagers and availability of FGW conductor drivers permitting, but such trains would be difficult to path, and if you were going to go the trouble of doing it, then it would need to be at a decent frequency to make it attractive to passengers, not a couple of diverted trains that would no more than a gesture and irrelevant if they did not fit in with the times people wanted/needed to travel - and would need about two hours to get between Oxford and Birmingham, so no time advantage over the train-bus-train option.

And if people simply must go to Dorset for their Easter break, the via London option using Virgin/SWT seems the obvious way to go if the XC route is still blocked - and only part of the journey on trains with smelly toilets as a bonus.
 

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I understand that XC crews at Bristol and Birmingham sign Reading to New Street via Swindon and Bristol Parkway then reverse to New Street. Some also sign via Kemble I believe. Nothing via Cotswolds however.
I doubt many sign Didcot to Swindon, and those that know Kemble probably wouldn't know Reading. The Kemble route has been used for diversions of trains from Bristol to Birmingham, when Westerleigh Jn to Standish Jn is blocked, but if Abbotswood Jn to the Gloucester area is blocked, it's always meant replacement buses. Only on very rare occasions have Voyagers run from Birmingham to Bristol via Oxford and Swindon in passenger service, and I don't think ever on a pre planned basis.
 

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And I would venture to suggest that any Oxford student who can manage to get their luggage to Oxford station and across from the main entrance to platform 2 to get a northbound train could probably manage to get said luggage off a train at Banbury, on to a coach in the station forecourt and then off a coach at Leamington Spa and back on a train there, even it is a bit of an inconvenience.

I agree with you on this point - but will there be enough space on the coaches for the increased number of passengers that weekend?
 

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I understand that XC crews at Bristol and Birmingham sign Reading to New Street via Swindon and Bristol Parkway then reverse to New Street. Some also sign via Kemble I believe. Nothing via Cotswolds however.

No Birmingham crew signs Bristol to Reading. Likewise via Kemble. We used to sign Gloucester to Swindon when XC operated on that line but no longer do.
 

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I agree with you on this point - but will there be enough space on the coaches for the increased number of passengers that weekend?

But the Easter weekend is two months away - give the engineers a chance. And if you mean when university terms end, a quick search reveals that Oxford University's term ends on March 14 - long before the rest of the world will be going anywhere for Easter - while Oxford Brookes ends on the 27th, so it's not as if all the students will be travelling on the same day(s) or at the busiest times anyway.

Have you actually read the stuff on the Chiltern website about the improvements to the coach link from Monday? There's a small army of the things out there now and Chiltern and XC will presumably be paying top dollar anyway, so the coaches aren't all going to vanish suddenly when there's still lots of money to be made.
 
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Well, as forecast by some members here, that's ticket acceptance by London Midland and Virgin for Brum/London travel stopped wef Monday 9th Feb.

From http://www.chilternrailways.co.uk/landslipleamington under 'Travel options to London... '

Option 3

Travel by train to Leamington Spa from your usual Chiltern Railways station and take the "step straight on" bus service to Banbury then continue your journey by fast, direct train from there to London

Confirmed on the NRE website at http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/service_disruptions/today.aspx

Alternative travel options

Chiltern Railways passengers may use the following on any reasonable routes:

CrossCountry
First Great Western
London Underground

Passengers may also use London Midland and Virgin Trains services up to and including Sunday 8 February. Tickets routed 'Chiltern Only' or 'via High Wycombe' will not be accepted on these services from Monday 9 February.

Chiltern Railways season tickets routed "via High Wycombe" will be accepted on First Great Western services between Honeybourne and London Paddington until further notice.

Seems a bit harsh for those already holding tickets/having booked travel. EDIT: Please see post #270.
 
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So along we many West Ham fans travelling to West Brom, we now have to go even earlier and change onto a bus, or buy new tickets for Virgin or London Midland (for which timetables aren't even out for the 14th yet). Or can we get refund from Chiltern?
 

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So along we many West Ham fans travelling to West Brom, we now have to go even earlier and change onto a bus, or buy new tickets for Virgin or London Midland (for which timetables aren't even out for the 14th yet). Or can we get refund from Chiltern?

There is hope. Didn't notice this under the FAQ on the Chiltern page I linked to ...

Will Virgin be accepting all Chiltern Railways tickets from Monday 9 February onwards?

If you bought an Advance ticket for a Chiltern Railways service before the landslide occurred, it will be valid on any Virgin Trains service. If you bought a Chiltern Railways ticket after the landslide, it is only valid on our services. For full flexibility, Chiltern Railways season tickets will also be valid for travel on Virgin Trains and First Great Western for the duration of the closure period. This applies to Route High Wycombe and Route Banbury season tickets only. However, if you wish to use this option, it is important to keep your season ticket if it expires as you will need to show both a current, valid season ticket and your expired ticket dated from before the landslip occurred to prove you are an existing Chiltern Railways customer. The option of using Virgin Trains or First Great Western does not apply to the discounted Banbury Fare Match season tickets.
 
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We, along with most of the West Ham fans, have bought Super Off Peak Returns at £29. Not Advance tickets but bought before the landslip.
 

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We, along with most of the West Ham fans, have bought Super Off Peak Returns at £29. Not Advance tickets but bought before the landslip.

The Virgin (Any Permitted actually) equivalent Super Off-Peak fare is £32.80 (with time restrictions).
Can't you just excess it on the day and pay the difference?
 

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No, unless there is other engineering work, which is unlikely given the scale of the Watford job, it should be a case of reverting to WTT paths.

Which takes time to be reinstated in the base timetable as used by TRUST and journey planner systems. With sufficient notice the full reinstatement of WTT may be achieved. The amended timetable for the engineering may still be in place, or a total hotch potch for Control to try and make sense of.
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My travels yesterday included making use of the replacement bus service. Seems to be working well with co-ordinators and staff guiding people and plenty of spare capacity for peak times.
 
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