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I was under the impression speed is a factor in only around 25-30% of accidents. Or so that nice Mr Clarkson used to say on one of his many anti speed camera rants
In urban areas and on motorways that might be true, but in rural areas it is definitely the leading cause.
 
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It almost certainly is correct. Speed cameras are all very well but who is the more unsafe driver. Me on a deserted dry motorway in clear weather doing 85 or a drunk doing 50 in a 50 limit. Which one will the speed camera select to give notification to the authorities for an intended prosecution?
 
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It almost certainly is correct. Speed cameras are all very well but who is the more unsafe driver. Me on a deserted dry motorway in clear weather doing 85 or a drunk doing 50 in a 50 limit. Which one will the speed camera select to give notification to the authorities for an intended prosecution?


Irrelevant. We aren't talking about drunk drivers - we are talking about drivers who see the limit as advisory. 85 mph isn't acceptable. You're breaking the law. End of.
 

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I don't quite understand the point you're making. You say that there isn't carnage caused by excessive speed then say that the majority of accidents are caused by excessive speed. Colour me confused.:?

Personally I'd say many drivers selection of speed is completely wrong across the board. Many drive too slow on straight roads where 60 mph is both safe and legal. The self-same person will then drive too fast down a winding country lane where 25 mph might be too fast in certain places. Meanwhile on motorways the worst issue is attitude, driving too close and appaling lane discipline. I'd prefer to see greater training, testing and competence management on the roads, with very harsh penalties for deliberate breaches of certain rules.
 

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I was under the impression speed is a factor in only around 25-30% of accidents. Or so that nice Mr Clarkson used to say on one of his many anti speed camera rants

Exceeding the speed limit was reported as a factor in 5 per cent of accidents, but these
accidents involved 14 per cent of fatalities. At least one of exceeding the speed limit
and travelling too fast for the conditions was reported in 12 per cent of all accidents and
these accidents accounted for 25 per cent of all fatalities.
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/9277/rrcgb2011-04.pdf
Although, there are other categories, such as 'loss of control' or 'failed to judge other's speed' that could have been exacerbated by speed.
And, of course, accidents are more severe when they are faster, regardless of the cause.
It's wandering a little off-topic, though.
 
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Although, there are other categories, such as 'loss of control' or 'failed to judge other's speed' that could have been exacerbated by speed.
And, of course, accidents are more severe when they are faster, regardless of the cause.
It's wandering a little off-topic, though.

A rather tenuous link to keep it on topic and in some sort of perspective is the number of incidents at TPWS overspeeds and more specifically those approaching a red. It is a shocking statistic.

The unfortunate accident with the TGV may be linked to excessive speed and the Spanish crash was certainly exacerbated due to its high speed.

Conversely (I don't have the statistic) most SPADS occur at low speeds. They are more linked to lack of concentration and various human factors.
 

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... and this is often supported by point to pint average speeds.


Is that the speed over the last journey of the day? :D

Oops......

Sometimes I don't press keyboard letters hard enough, and it fails to appear on screen. (And at other times, I fail to see that I have pressed a key near to the one that I intended to press)
 

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Sometimes I don't press keyboard letters hard enough, and it fails to appear on screen. (And at other times, I fail to see that I have pressed a key near to the one that I intended to press)
Don't worry about it, I had a bit of a chuckle thinking that the last train of the day would be the fastest - have to get in before last orders. :)
 
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