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oh look yet more overt political symbols. Seems they are fine if the target of the symbol is the UK:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/28498909

BBC: Argentina FA fined £20,000 for Falklands banner display

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The mistake the FA,WFA or SFA seem to have made is to contact FIFA. They should have just gone ahead with their proposals and paid the fine.
 

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oh look yet more overt political symbols. Seems they are fine if the target of the symbol is the UK:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/28498909



(image taken from linked BBC page)

The mistake the FA,WFA or SFA seem to have made is to contact FIFA. They should have just gone ahead with their proposals and paid the fine.

How was it fine? They got fined.
All that shows is that actually FIFA are even handed when it come to this issue. They are not picking on anyone at all. If you display symbols that are banned you will get sanctioned.
 

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How was it fine? They got fined.
All that shows is that actually FIFA are even handed when it come to this issue. They are not picking on anyone at all. If you display symbols that are banned you will get sanctioned.

yes: A £20k fine for displaying an overtly political symbol. Or nothing if you are Eire.

What fine do you get for wearing a non religious, commercial or political symbol?
 

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yes: A £20k fine for displaying an overtly political symbol. Or nothing if you are Eire.

What fine do you get for wearing a non religious, commercial or political symbol?

Clearly if it's non of those things then you won't get fined.
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One avenue for the outraged looks to be getting closed

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37872020
 

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Clearly if it's non of those things then you won't get fined.
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One avenue for the outraged looks to be getting closed

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37872020

I am not outraged - I am just unhappy about a body as dodgy and allegedly corrupt as FIFA suddenly trying to hold the moral high ground along with their obvious misunderstanding of the symbol in question.

Eire should get a £20k fine going on previous ;)
 

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yes: A £20k fine for displaying an overtly political symbol. Or nothing if you are Eire.

What fine do you get for wearing a non religious, commercial or political symbol?

Regarding Ireland, was there commemoration to do with he Easter Rising, from what I understand that is very political and possibly has sectarian undertones

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I see Rochdale player Calvin Andrew have been handed 12 match ban for elbowing Oldham player Peter Clarke.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37876911

I was at that game and me and rest of 5,200 people didn't see this incident (quite lot of Latics fans were more bother about steward lookalike Boris Johnson :D) and I only hear about it on Tuesday, after seeing clip on YouTube it does look horrible incident and lucky Latics player Clarke were ok after this incident.
 

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Regarding Ireland, was there commemoration to do with he Easter Rising, from what I understand that is very political and possibly has sectarian undertones

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Is it not the case, despite what was recently said about no FIFA action on this matter, that they are currently in the process of examining it with a view to a fine imposition?
 

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Shame they missed out on Promotion to the SPL thanks to Falkirk, but the hoodoo has finally been lifted. Runners Up in the League Cup as well :p
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Wonder what Sir Alex thinks about that <D



Bet you were absolutely spewing when we won it:D! 2-0 up and you blew it at tyne!

No, I wasn't on the pitch, I was in the South upper ;)
 

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yes: A £20k fine for displaying an overtly political symbol. Or nothing if you are Eire.

What fine do you get for wearing a non religious, commercial or political symbol?

Ireland are getting fined, their badge wasn't noticed until recently, probably when the poppy stuff came up. Suspect someone dobbed them in.

Quite right too. England will have to take their punishment too, when it comes to it. There is no need to wear a poppy, an Easter lily, or display a banner asserting sovereignty over some islands. It's a football game.
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Regarding Ireland, was there commemoration to do with he Easter Rising, from what I understand that is very political and possibly has sectarian undertones

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A perfect example of how one person's remembrance is another's political gesture. That is simply your understanding of the Easter Rising - not an incorrect one, and not the way many in Ireland would see it, but a valid point of view.

Now, ask some people in Ireland how they feel about poppies, and see how many interpretations you get from that too.

It does somewhat concern me that as a nation we are so lacking in self-awareness. The absolute primacy of sanctity of the poppy is bizarre.
 

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A perfect example of how one person's remembrance is another's political gesture. That is simply your understanding of the Easter Rising - not an incorrect one, and not the way many in Ireland would see it, but a valid point of view.

Now, ask some people in Ireland how they feel about poppies, and see how many interpretations you get from that too.

It does somewhat concern me that as a nation we are so lacking in self-awareness. The absolute primacy of sanctity of the poppy is bizarre.

Hark, what's that I hear.

It's the sound of a massive nail being hit squarely on the head.
Just because the press has whipped up this frenzy about the poppy and now it's seen as some untouchable thing doesn't mean the whole world shares that view. UEFA and FIFA have all of their members to think about and not just England and Scotland.
Footballers have managed to play games for over 90 years without wearing a poppy. Why all of a sudden is it seen as such an important thing baffles me.
The fact is we are not being picked on. The rules are there for good reason and if we don't adhere to them we should expect to be punished. As much as some people like to think we are a special case we really aren't and the sooner we understand that the better.
 

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Hark, what's that I hear.

It's the sound of a massive nail being hit squarely on the head.
Just because the press has whipped up this frenzy about the poppy and now it's seen as some untouchable thing doesn't mean the whole world shares that view. UEFA and FIFA have all of their members to think about and not just England and Scotland.
Footballers have managed to play games for over 90 years without wearing a poppy. Why all of a sudden is it seen as such an important thing baffles me.
The fact is we are not being picked on. The rules are there for good reason and if we don't adhere to them we should expect to be punished. As much as some people like to think we are a special case we really aren't and the sooner we understand that the better.

Oh get down from that high horse before you fall.................so it's all the fault of the press is it? I haven't heard that one before:roll:!

The game is being played on 11/11, hardly any wonder that many people feel it would be appropriate to wear a poppy emblem is it? The poppy has no religious or political connotations and so is not covered by any ban.

I mean, even Arsen Wenger with his shockingly bad eyesight can see how wrong FIFA are!
 
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Oh it's all the fault of the press is it? I haven't heard that one before:roll:!

The game is being played on 11/11, hardly any wonder that many people feel it would be appropriate to wear a poppy emblem is it?

I do think the press have made this issue a much bigger one yes. They are usually the ones that start bandwagons rolling. Some of the press coverage has been rather sensational but then again maybe that should be expected in this day and age.
No one is stopping anyone wearing a poppy I just fail to see why it's all of a sudden become this massive issue. It never has been in the past.
 

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I do think the press have made this issue a much bigger one yes. They are usually the ones that start bandwagons rolling. Some of the press coverage has been rather sensational but then again maybe that should be expected in this day and age.
No one is stopping anyone wearing a poppy I just fail to see why it's all of a sudden become this massive issue. It never has been in the past.

England v Scotland is taking place on Nov 11th, Armistice Day.
 

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England v Scotland is taking place on Nov 11th, Armistice Day.

Yes. I am well aware of that. Now what I don't understand is why all of a sudden it is deemed essential that a poppy symbol is worn by players. For over 90 years England (and all football teams) have managed to play games without wearing poppy symbols.
I have attended many games where there has been a minutes silence before the game, maybe someone playing the last post, wreaths placed in the centre circle, collections held outside the ground. This was always expected and observed with respect. No one thought to adorn players shirts with a poppy symbol and no one was bothered by it not happening.
So. Why now. Why is it now considered to be such an affront. I have my own ideas why.
And once again it needs to be reiterated. Just because you don't think it's a political symbol doesn't mean everyone doesn't. FIFA and UEFA have to consider everyones thoughts so hence a blanket ban.
 

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Oh get down from that high horse before you fall.................so it's all the fault of the press is it? I haven't heard that one before:roll:!

You see nothing wrong with a low number of men having control over much of the information that reaches the people? The Press have a narrative and are more than happy to twist and censor to ensure they reach their pre-determined conclusion. In this case the narrative is that FIFA are bullying the home nations (despite giving each of them more representation than other nations).

The game is being played on 11/11

Then have a minute's silence before kick off, a giant poppy on the centre circle, a collection outside Wembley. This can, and has, been done but suddenly wearing a poppy on the shirt itself is the be all and end all issue (again, not that the Press are not mentioning this)

A blanket ban is the most workable situation and to do anything else is just opening the floodgates to political and religious symbols and I can see the case for defining them as such. Recall that the poppy is also used as a symbol for those taking place in the war of aggression in Iraq. Methinks this should be a new topic though
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Meanwhile on the pitch we see that Celtic are 7 points ahead (will be 10 if they beat Inverness Caledonian Thistle) of Aberdeen with 2 games in hand. What can be done about the SPL when it's all but over by bonfire night?

Also Villa are drawing but does that surprise anyone?
 
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Also Villa are drawing but does that surprise anyone?

It's actually an improvement.

A few weeks ago you would have been leading at half time, but that would have guaranteed the opposition would have scored an equaliser in the 92nd minute and you would have drawn. Things are different now, you'll go on and win it.
 

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England v Scotland is taking place on Nov 11th, Armistice Day.

And? England have played on Armistice Day before without wearing a poppy. The most recent fixture was in 1987. Here's the England shirt:

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Not a poppy in sight.
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Regarding Ireland, was there commemoration to do with he Easter Rising, from what I understand that is very political and possibly has sectarian undertones

Is commemorating your country's independence "political" with "sectarian undertones"?

Hmm. I'm not so sure. The US team do special edition jerseys on their independence day.
 

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Tremendous result for the Rams at Wolves this afternoon. Game finished 3 2, Derby were 2 0 up at half time but really should have been out of sight. Wolves came back into it second half; we had a fortunate penalty decision in our favour, Wolves had one turned down. Really glad we went to the game as opposed to watching it on the telly. Up The Rams!
 

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FA Cup First Round: Oldham 2-1 Doncaster

Oldham avoid mini upset to beat League two side Doncaster and go through to second round of FA Cup.

I see Macclesfield are only shock in FA Cup so far as they beat Walsall 1-0 but quite few Non-league teams did draw against League team in today matches.

Radcliffe 1-2 Droylsden

After going two months without win Droylsden have made it back to back wins with two late goals in Northern Premier League Division One North match.
 
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On my way home after Cambridge 1-1 Dover Athletic in the FA Cup. Happy to get a draw away at a Football League team.
 

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Swindon Supermarine 0...Winchester City 2 (Feeney 38, Green 83)

Winchester City put their poor away form behind them with a convincing victory against their high-flying opposition. The hosts started well but City came into it before Craig Feeney opened the scoring with a well taken solo effort. The second half mostly belonged to City with the home keeper by far the busier before Stuart Green sealed the points with seven minutes left.

Meanwhile, in the Central division, Histon notched up their first win by winning 6-2 at high-flying Barton Rovers.

Other Results:

AFC Totton 2...Bridgwater Town 1

Barnstaple Town 1...Evesham United 2

Hereford 2...Bideford 1

Larkhall Athletic 1...Salisbury 5

Slimbridge 2...Didcot Town 3

Tiverton Town 1...Shortwood United 2

Wantage Town 1...Mangotsfield United 2

Wimborne Town 3...North Leigh 2

Yate Town 0...Paulton Rovers 1


Table:
1. Hereford 15/41
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2. Shortwood United 15/32
3. Tiverton Town 15/31
4. Evesham United 14/30
5. Mangotsfield United 15/30
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6. Swindon Supermarine 15/27
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11. North Leigh 13/20
12. Taunton Town 11/18
13. Didcot Town 15/17
14. Winchester City 14/16
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19. Paulton Rovers 13/13
20. AFC Totton 14/11
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21. Bridgwater Town 15/7
22. Wantage Town 15/5
 

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If only Braintree could do this in the league...

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(7-0 win, for those who can't see it)
 
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Darlington suffered their first away defeat of the season despite taking the lead through a Terry Galbraith penalty after just 2 minutes. We held that lead in front of the 914 spectators until 4 minutes into the second half the Lambs equalised from a corner before the home side took the lead on 57 when Newton grabbed his second.

Darlo rallied late on and had one cleared off the line followed by a few half chances but no clear cut opportunity to salvage a point. An out of sorts days for the Quakers who remain second in the league behind Fylde.
 

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Ajax (Amsterdam) have sent 27 crates of beer to East Kilbride in Scotland to celebrate its 27 nonstop win.

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