Bluebell Railway Diesel Gala 2017

AnthonyRail · 19 Jan 2017

Can't 50017 bring the other 50s

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4-COR 3142 · 30 Jan 2017

D6700 also announced to be attending.........spent four years at Canton so counts towards the Western theme.

trolleyman · 31 Jan 2017

All things Western eh? I'm sure GWR could donate a Dogbox!

trainmania100 · 1 Feb 2017

4-COR 3142 said:
D6700 also announced to be attending.........spent four years at Canton so counts towards the Western theme.

Yes 37350 will also be attending and will haul the beer train on the Saturday evening.
A chance to get some haulage behind a 37

37038 · 2 Feb 2017

Hopefully it's reputation as an absolute heap has been remedied at Leicester after the TM repairs

PUFFINGBILLY · 22 Feb 2017

The Bluebell Railway has always been proud to have been the first standard gauge preserved railway yet somewhat smug about being 100% steam making it clear that stooping to diesels would never happen.
At last the mainly older steam buff members blinkered in their chuffer train outlook & with nil commercial awareness have at last been overridden & visiting diesels are now welcomed & most ironically a diesel shunter is in regular use.
Where the Bluebell is still years behind others is the continued refusal to understand the practicality of using a diesel for an early morning service.

MarkyT · 22 Feb 2017

Phil. said:
An HST is not a conventional Multiple Unit train as it cannot and does not work in multiple with another HST in normal circumstances.

But it still is a 'unit' operationally in the sense of being indivisible outside the depot. I guess the main reason any sophisticated multiple working equipment was omitted must have been that it would be have been pointless with a standard length set already occupying the full length of most platforms served. Modern fixed formation 12 car emus as supplied for Thameslink and WCML Pendolinos are also not designed for multiple unit operation, or at least will never be used in normal passenger service that way simply because any multi-unit formation would be much too long for any platform. That's not to say two following units could not assist one another in emergency, which is also possible with HSTs using coupling bars:

https://youtu.be/InBv1cg0tm0?t=10m52s

Another way of thinking about HSTs is as two locomotive units working in multiple, sandwiching a cabless trailer set between. A locomotive can also be thought of as a multiple unit. Take the historic class 33s push-pulling trailer sets west of Bournmouth for example.

43096 · 22 Feb 2017

hurricanemk1c said:
Deltics!

http://thedps.co.uk/dps40th/

Re HSTs - they may not be able to operate in multiple normally, but the power cars can't exactly haul Mark 1s or HAAs, so that kinda rules them out as being locomotives in the convential sense? Technically I would say they are a self contained train set

Actually a power car can haul Mark 1s, provided they are air braked, using the buckeye coupler. As for HAAs, a Class 60 can't haul most DBC coal trains. Does that make them not locos, then?

GW43125 · 28 Feb 2017

PUFFINGBILLY said:
The Bluebell Railway has always been proud to have been the first standard gauge preserved railway yet somewhat smug about being 100% steam making it clear that stooping to diesels would never happen.
At last the mainly older steam buff members blinkered in their chuffer train outlook & with nil commercial awareness have at last been overridden & visiting diesels are now welcomed & most ironically a diesel shunter is in regular use.
Where the Bluebell is still years behind others is the continued refusal to understand the practicality of using a diesel for an early morning service.

One slight issue though is that a lot of the diesels are air braked and the stock is vac!

73s between the loco and first carriage p*ss off a lot of the bashers. I'm certainly not one of them... :lol:

hurricanemk1c · 1 Mar 2017

GW43125 said:
One slight issue though is that a lot of the diesels are air braked and the stock is vac!

73s between the loco and first carriage p*ss off a lot of the bashers. I'm certainly not one of them...

A lot of preserved diesels are dual braked - only recent stuff like 56's and refurbished 37s (?) are air only.

As for HST Power Cars being locos vs 60's, run a HST power car around a train and see how far you can go. I was always under the impression that the buckeye was different (in some way) to a conventional buckeye

GW43125 · 1 Mar 2017

hurricanemk1c said:
A lot of preserved diesels are dual braked - only recent stuff like 56's and refurbished 37s (?) are air only.

As for HST Power Cars being locos vs 60's, run a HST power car around a train and see how far you can go. I was always under the impression that the buckeye was different (in some way) to a conventional buckeye

Pretty sure 20/47 are air only

MidlandDeltic · 2 Mar 2017

GW43125 said:
Pretty sure 20/47 are air only

Well if they are, they must have been phantom vacuum pipes I have used to couple 20227 and 47401 to vacuum brake only stock at the Midland Railway Centre - along with classes 03, 08, 31, 50 and 55. Similarly on the GC, trains operated by D8048, D8098 and D1705 must have run unbraked - as must virtually all the diesel hauled trains I have have travelled on at preserved lines. You, sir, are talking nonsense. Some main line locos may be air only with vac equipment isolated or removed, but ALL diesel locos prior to class 56 were built with vac equipment and mist in preservation retain that to allow then to work.

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GW43125 · 2 Mar 2017

MidlandDeltic said:
Well if they are, they must have been phantom vacuum pipes I have used to couple 20227 and 47401 to vacuum brake only stock at the Midland Railway Centre - along with classes 03, 08, 31, 50 and 55. Similarly on the GC, trains operated by D8048, D8098 and D1705 must have run unbraked - as must virtually all the diesel hauled trains I have have travelled on at preserved lines. You, sir, are talking nonsense. Some main line locos may be air only with vac equipment isolated or removed, but ALL diesel locos prior to class 56 were built with vac equipment and mist in preservation retain that to allow then to work.

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I'll let myself out.

4-COR 3142 · 2 Mar 2017

They're are doing an early morning Brake van ride up the entire line plus the Ardingly Spur at Horsted Keynes on the Saturday and Sunday which will be behind the 09.

Good for people into rare track.

Also there's a driver for a Fiver during the day....doesn't say which loco but assume the 09 again? does anyone know for sure?

James Wake · 3 Mar 2017

4-COR 3142 said:
They're are doing an early morning Brake van ride up the entire line plus the Ardingly Spur at Horsted Keynes on the Saturday and Sunday which will be behind the 09.

Good for people into rare track.

Also there's a driver for a Fiver during the day....doesn't say which loco but assume the 09 again? does anyone know for sure?

I don't think it will be the 09, it is on "D" set, which stock that is I don't know, might be the observation coach again. It could be the Carriage and Wagon shunting locomotive, I think that was what was used before.

4-COR 3142 · 4 Mar 2017

James Wake said:
I don't think it will be the 09, it is on "D" set, which stock that is I don't know, might be the observation coach again. It could be the Carriage and Wagon shunting locomotive, I think that was what was used before.

Thanks for that, I didn't realise there was another diesel shunter on their books.

trainmania100 · 23 Mar 2017

The class 37 will no longer be making it to the gala.
Bluebell are seeking a replacement. Hopefully good old colas will come to the rescue again with one of their vintage locos

12CSVT · 26 Mar 2017

Two class 20s attending in place of D6700, according to WNXX forum.

jbqfc · 26 Mar 2017

12CSVT said:
Two class 20s attending in place of D6700, according to WNXX forum.

20189 20205 now on the bluebell facebook page

GW43125 · 26 Mar 2017

jbqfc said:
20189 20205 now on the bluebell facebook page

We all know what happened last time a 20 went down there...

trainmania100 · 26 Mar 2017

Was 20189 the one on the buffer buffer 13?0
If so I shall prioritise the 50s for haulage

MichaelWells · 26 Mar 2017

trainmania100 said:
Was 20189 the one on the buffer buffer 13?0
If so I shall prioritise the 50s for haulage

No that was 107

fgwrich · 26 Mar 2017

GW43125 said:
We all know what happened last time a 20 went down there...

Come to think of it, does anyone know if the GB 73 is still down there at Sheffield Park? It went on a long-ish term ad-hoc loan after last years event, I'm not sure if and when it left in the end.

GW43125 · 28 Mar 2017

fgwrich said:
Come to think of it, does anyone know if the GB 73 is still down there at Sheffield Park? It went on a long-ish term ad-hoc loan after last years event, I'm not sure if and when it left in the end.

Do you have the number? if so I can check to see if I've had it on the mainline since, that might help.

EDIT-just checked, last year 107, 119, 136 were there, I've had 107 &119 on the mainline since.

trainmania100 · 28 Mar 2017

The 73 nor the 20 are no longer at Bluebell.
73136 was the locomotive but I have seen it on the mainline since.
TOPS says 73136 is currently at St Leonards GBRf depot.

Tomorrow will see the Kidderminster to East Grinstead 0Z50 move, with 2x20s and 2x50s in consist.

theblackwatch · 29 Mar 2017

Unfortunately, 50035 has had to be withdrawn from the event owing to a brake fault.

Crawley Ben · 29 Mar 2017

Reported via wnxx forum that GBRF are sending 2x 73/1's to the gala as replacements for the failed 50.

For info if any not on wnxx is interested.

Cheers

Ben

Crawley Ben · 29 Mar 2017

Further to my earlier post, the 2x GBRF 73's are 73107 & 73119 as tweeted this evening by the Bluebell Railway.

Cheers

Ben

GW43125 · 29 Mar 2017

theblackwatch said:
Unfortunately, 50035 has had to be withdrawn from the event owing to a brake fault.

Unlike a 50 to fail...

theblackwatch · 29 Mar 2017

GW43125 said:
Unlike a 50 to fail...

I'm sure you appreciate the efforts of those involved in trying to fix the fault into the early hours this morning.

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