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XC bus from Galashiels to Berwick and RTN

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Noticed that a regular bus runs from Berwick Upon Tweed station to Galashiels bus station (borders railway area) and return, and shows as operated by XC. Does anyone know why this is, what it's for and if XC do actually operate it?

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/sea.../09/21/1818?stp=WVS&show=all&order=wtt&toc=XC

Apologies if this has already been covered, did a Google search of forum for topic and couldn't find.
 
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It is quiet common on RTT to show bus connections. The one is question from Berwick is operated by Boarders Buses as the TOC does not operate the bus. Other buses I can think off are Bristol Airport, Eden Project and East Midlands Airport which I think these are helpful for connections and might show on journey planners and departure boards although I haven't seen the EMA buses on the screens at Derby. Below is a image showing the bus on the departure screen at Berwick last year.
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It is quiet common on RTT to show bus connections. The one is question from Berwick is operated by Boarders Buses as the TOC does not operate the bus. Other buses I can think off are Bristol Airport, Eden Project and East Midlands Airport which I think these are helpful for connections and might show on journey planners and departure boards although I haven't seen the EMA buses on the screens at Derby. Below is a image showing the bus on the departure screen at Berwick last year.
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Peterborough to Dereham via Kings Lynn bus "operated by LNER" has been on RTT for as long as I can remember
 

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I think there has to be a sponsoring TOC, whoever actually runs such a “non-rail” service. For similar reasons the Isle of Wight ferries that come up in RTT etc are apparently operated by SWR.
 

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Darlington to catterick is another
That's LNER if you were wondering, and GWR 'operate' quite a few in Devon and Cornwall, and I know of Taunton to Minehead and I think yhrrest some SWRs from Axminster/Crewekerne.
 

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I think there has to be a sponsoring TOC, whoever actually runs such a “non-rail” service. For similar reasons the Isle of Wight ferries that come up in RTT etc are apparently operated by SWR.
Which seems usually to be the TOC that sets whatever through fares or add-ons are available - many of the ones mentioned so far are among the longest-established non-rail destinations available. Just a pity they are so poorly advertised and promoted and that most don't appear in the National Rail Timetable or give results in many rail journey planners.
 

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The Woking to Heathrow bus is as well, but the only other I can find is Exeter St Davids to Exeter Airport
 

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The Woking to Heathrow bus is as well, but the only other I can find is Exeter St Davids to Exeter Airport
 

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So is it possible to buy a rail ticket from Kings X to Galashiels bus station intended for use on the bus connection?

If the train were late into Berwick and missed the last bus, would taxis be provided like they would if the last train was missed and would XC authorise the taxis?
 

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So is it possible to buy a rail ticket from Kings X to Galashiels bus station intended for use on the bus connection?

If the train were late into Berwick and missed the last bus, would taxis be provided like they would if the last train was missed and would XC authorise the taxis?
Contrary to my earlier email that link is one which does show up on National Rail Enquiries - various daytime journeys Kings X to Galashiels Bus Station on a random weekday next week showing advances at £61.40 and £73.90, one change at Berwick and a total journey of 5h40 or 5h58.
As to the liability in the event of delay, such through tickets to third-party bus services are sold by train operators only as agents of the bus company and outwith the National Rail network passengers are conveyed subject to the rules of that operator (National Rail Conditions of Travel 4.4) which in the case of every bus company I know of exclude any liability for delay.
However NRCoT 28.2 makes no mention of missing bus connections when it states that any TOC in a position to help will try to do so, only to completing the journey on the ticket - so that suggests you might be in luck.
But then NRCoT 35.2.3 accepts no liability for another party not providing goods or services - suggesting that if it was the bus delivering you too late for the train rather than the other way round, you might not be in luck.
Has anyone ever had occasion to put either scenario to the test? Is it one where you might have to hope for goodwill reimbursement rather than clearly-defined compensation?
 

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So is it possible to buy a rail ticket from Kings X to Galashiels bus station intended for use on the bus connection?

If the train were late into Berwick and missed the last bus, would taxis be provided like they would if the last train was missed and would XC authorise the taxis?
The odd thing is the few through fares I just checked using the Berwick - Galashiels bus, such as from Newcastle, seem to be set by LNER. I wonder how the XC is justified?
 

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Diamond Bus service 75/75A are mentioned on RTT as being a XC service between Birmingham International and Coleshill Parkway for another example
 

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They get the money for the bus (to pass on what they do) maybe?
Dunno. The fare setter doesn’t necessarily get all or most of a fare anyway, it’s just that Smethwickian thought it would likely be the fare setter who would be shown. It’s possible XC set some fares but I just flooked onto the LNER ones.
 

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TPE advertise the X4 from Doncaster to Robin Hood Airport, which makes sense as they're both operated by First
 

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The Coast-liner 840[?] Leeds to Whitby via Pickering for the NYMR regularly shown on the RTT boards at York. When I've traveled that way to the Pickering end of the Moors [via York] I get one of these "Plus-bus" combined train/bus tickets.
 

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That's LNER if you were wondering, and GWR 'operate' quite a few in Devon and Cornwall, and I know of Taunton to Minehead and I think yhrrest some SWRs from Axminster/Crewekerne.

Which seems usually to be the TOC that sets whatever through fares or add-ons are available - many of the ones mentioned so far are among the longest-established non-rail destinations available. Just a pity they are so poorly advertised and promoted and that most don't appear in the National Rail Timetable or give results in many rail journey planners.
GWR and SWR advertise some routes in some timetable books but its after all the train times towards the back.
 

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TPE advertise the X4 from Doncaster to Robin Hood Airport, which makes sense as they're both operated by First
Except that the X4 doesn’t run any longer! First now run service 57 (I think) out to the Airport - out fast via the Great Yorkshire Way link road and returns via the villages; or in the reverse direction on alternate timings. You know how First Bus love circular routes! Current times are available from SYPTE or First South Yorkshire’s websites. It does illustrate how unreliable bus times shown in railway timetables can be.....always sensible to check with operator but rail timetables don’t tell you who actually runs the bus.

Darlington to Catterick Garrison is Arriva by the way.
 

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GWR sponsor the following routes in national railway timetable systems:
Reading-Heathrow Airport (First RailAir)
Paddington-Stansted Airport (National Express)
Bristol Temple Meads-Bristol International Airport (First Bath & Bristol)
Bedwyn-Marlborough (Thamesdown)
Yeovil Pen Mill-Yeovil Junction (South West Coaches)
Taunton-Watchet-Dunster-Minehead (First Buses of Somerset)
Exeter St David’s-Exeter Airport (Stagecoach Southwest)
Exeter St David’s-Okehampton-Launceston/Bude (Stagecoach Southwest)
Bodmin Parkway-Wadebridge-Padstow (Plymouth Citybus)
St Austell-Eden Project (First Kernow)
Redruth-Helston (First Kernow)

These routes have through fares available and appear in journey planners where possible. Also appear on CIS screens at some interchange locations (but not all.)

There are downfalls with advertising buses through railway systems - not least the regular short notice changes to bus timetables being pretty incompatible with 12-week railway booking horizons, but overall the pluses outweigh the cons.
 
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