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delticdave

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PeterC said:
Room for both, take one track out. Enough bus lanes have been scrapped for extra cycle capacity so why not?
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You can't run a 4 tph passenger service + 1 or 2 ph freight paths on a single track railway.

Why would any sane person want to ride a bicycle alongside a railway anyway, especially along a route that's difficult to access, (it's above or below ground level for all of it's route), & why sacrifice decent public transit for bike riders?
 
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delticdave said:
Why would any sane person want to ride a bicycle alongside a railway anyway
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If it goes where the person wants to go then an old railway line is often great for cycling on as they are flat and don't have lots of motor vehicle conflicts.

I don't think anyone is actually suggesting you close any railway lines to make bicycle routes but where disused lines are available to walkers and cyclists they are fairly popular (eg The Parkland Walk, Alban Way, Two Tunnels Greenway). There is a campaign to open up some of the disused alignment around Camden Road, https://www.camdenhighline.com/, although I think that is just envisioned for pedestrians.
 
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It wasn't a serious suggestion, but more a sarcastic comment about TfL's growing cycle network :D
 
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Please remember this is a thread for discussion of Class 710 units - some of the recent posts are veering way off topic. If you wish to discuss other matters in detail, please start a new tread if you don't want your posts to be deleted :)
 
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Surely what's mostly alarming are the amount of problems with 315/317 units at the moment? Passengers using stations between Silver Street and Bruce Grove have seen a lot of peak services cancelled and are losing on average 40% of train service in the rush hour as most trains are now formed of 4 coaches in the peak. Same goes for Stoke Newington, Clapton, London Fields, etc. Not sure why the talk is on the GOBLIN when the 710 issue is much, much worse at the moment at the least on the west anglia suburban lines. Won't be long until a reduction in service for us I assume too? Unless more 315s from TFL rail join upto 315 LO and 317 LO, to try and scrape through until 2021/22...
 
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Class315710 said:
Surely what's mostly alarming are the amount of problems with 315/317 units at the moment? Passengers using stations between Silver Street and Bruce Grove have seen a lot of peak services cancelled and are losing on average 40% of train service in the rush hour as most trains are now formed of 4 coaches in the peak. Same goes for Stoke Newington, Clapton, London Fields, etc. Not sure why the talk is on the GOBLIN when the 710 issue is much, much worse at the moment at the least on the west anglia suburban lines. Won't be long until a reduction in service for us I assume too? Unless more 315s from TFL rail join upto 315 LO and 317 LO, to try and scrape through until 2021/22...
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I really think all the withdrawn TfL Rail 315s should have joined LO and seen off the majority of the 317s. If they'd have known the 710s would be delayed by so much, perhaps this would indeed have happened? The 315s are nearly 40 and not without problems, but the 317s are more trouble than they are worth. Grim trains to put it mildly and a poor fit for the West Anglia stopping work.

LO have been short of 315s lately due to 813's scrapping and repairs to 804, hence 858 being drafted in. However, I've been in London twice in recent weeks for the PM peak and both times all available 315s were in traffic. There appeared to be a GA 317 coupled with an LO 317 at Chingford (not used) so I'm not sure if they have one on hire.
 
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A driver who says he has been signed for these reckons the acceleration and braking are a step up from both a 172 and 378. He warns...when the doors shut..get a seat or hold onto something fast !!!
 
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Railperf said:
A driver who says he has been signed for these reckons the acceleration and braking are a step up from both a 172 and 378. He warns...when the doors shut..get a seat or hold onto something fast !!!
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Same as for a 345 I'd expect, unless the power to weight ratio of the 710s is even higher from the shorter vehicle lengths.
 
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GA does hire out a single 4 car unit that I think comes off a Kings Lynn in the morning, forms a rounder to Cheshunt, and I know an 8 car unit does a few rounds particularly Cheshunt side of things in the evening.

As much as I love the interior layout on them, indeed the LO 317s are incredibly grotty in comparison to a GA equivalent. A lot of them, particularly the unrefurbished ones just feel like they're falling apart slowly. Constant faults on them as well apparently.
 
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700007 said:
GA does hire out a single 4 car unit that I think comes off a Kings Lynn in the morning, forms a rounder to Cheshunt, and I know an 8 car unit does a few rounds particularly Cheshunt side of things in the evening.

As much as I love the interior layout on them, indeed the LO 317s are incredibly grotty in comparison to a GA equivalent. A lot of them, particularly the unrefurbished ones just feel like they're falling apart slowly. Constant faults on them as well apparently.
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Caught one of those GA 317s a few months ago, very nice especially sitting in 1st!
 
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prod_pep said:
I really think all the withdrawn TfL Rail 315s should have joined LO and seen off the majority of the 317s. If they'd have known the 710s would be delayed by so much, perhaps this would indeed have happened? The 315s are nearly 40 and not without problems, but the 317s are more trouble than they are worth. Grim trains to put it mildly and a poor fit for the West Anglia stopping work.

LO have been short of 315s lately due to 813's scrapping and repairs to 804, hence 858 being drafted in. However, I've been in London twice in recent weeks for the PM peak and both times all available 315s were in traffic. There appeared to be a GA 317 coupled with an LO 317 at Chingford (not used) so I'm not sure if they have one on hire.
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Oh no the 317's have a better seating layout what they should do is have fixed 8 car formations as services are often overcrowded specially between Seven Sisters and Edmonton Green don't know if the 710's will provide any relief when they do enter service on that line?
 
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samuelmorris said:
Same as for a 345 I'd expect, unless the power to weight ratio of the 710s is even higher from the shorter vehicle lengths.
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Training material suggests all coaches are motored on a 710. 5 cars will be the same which is a new approach from bombardier as in the past they usually left the pantograph coach unmotored. Although it’s entirely possible that each bogie only has one motor.

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GA does hire out a single 4 car unit that I think comes off a Kings Lynn in the morning, forms a rounder to Cheshunt, and I know an 8 car unit does a few rounds particularly Cheshunt side of things in the evening.

As much as I love the interior layout on them, indeed the LO 317s are incredibly grotty in comparison to a GA equivalent. A lot of them, particularly the unrefurbished ones just feel like they're falling apart slowly. Constant faults on them as well apparently.
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Correct. Stables in Chingford all day and comes empty to form the 1722 cheshunt and back, and is handed back to GA at 1843.

Problem is when you have trains as old as this its very difficult to source parts as a lot of the suppliers either no longer exist or no longer supply the parts ... so makeshift solutions have to be found. For example TFL 858 that joined overground recently needs a new set of motors but it’s unlikely it will ever get them and is currently set to run multiple only untill 710s arrive....unless somebody takes the decision to repair it.
 
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There's an ex MTR 315 with Overground roundels stuck on going around at the minute, still got TFL Rail seat covers though. There was a 710 coming off the NLL at Hackney Downs earlier today too I saw
 
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MrPIC said:
There's an ex MTR 315 with Overground roundels stuck on going around at the minute, still got TFL Rail seat covers though. There was a 710 coming off the NLL at Hackney Downs earlier today too I saw
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That would be 315858 and the 710 is doing tests between Liverpool St-Cheshunt.
 
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rebmcr said:
Are the spare 378 carriages temporarily coupled to each other, to reduce the dependence on the tarpaulin-covered gangways?
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sorry for delayed reply, it is not easy to see from the camera angle but they look to be so close to each other that it seems very likely that they have been coupled up in this way - it would need the 710 blocking the view from the tracks used by passenger trains alongside the sidings to be moved to be 100% sure.
 
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Splendid. Does this mean the software issues are fixed and it's just driver training that needs to be done now, or are they running in parallel?
 
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Whether the software is totally fixed or still being looked at, from commissioning point of view the start of driver training is an encouraging sign. There must be a certain level of risk confidence that it won't stuff up services..... or is there a 37 at the rear?
 
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Although it does look like the front PIS screen is smaller than the trapezium provided for it above the cab, is that really the biggest font/resolution it can support? It seems tiny
 
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MCR247 said:
Although it does look like the front PIS screen is smaller than the trapezium provided for it above the cab, is that really the biggest font/resolution it can support? It seems tiny
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Yeah if you zoom in you can see the actual size of the display means you can't fit any bigger characters than that. 345s are the same in that regard.
 
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As I understand it there are too many drivers who are already signed to drive these . Will they need that long to familiarise themselves with how they are going to drive these trains along the route in terms of coasting and braking points?
 
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