Class 710 LO

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  1. AlanFry1

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    Hi all, apologies if there's already a thread on this unit but I couldn't seem to find any.

    With a lot of new units being built over the next few years, I find it remarkable how quiet the 710s progress is, considering they're meant to be in service in little over a year.

    Does anyone have any info on when the first signs of the first unit are likely to show up?
     
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  3. D365

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    There has been a thread (I'm sure someone will come along with the link), pictures have been posted of one of the driving carriages, painted and all.
     
  4. Bornin1980s

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    Maybe it's because London has been getting new trains almost every year for over a decade, the only big news being new lines.

    In other areas, train replacement is a very rare event. In my town, the newest passenger trains came online nearly 10 years ago, the rest are about 20 years older!
     
  5. D365

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    I haven't heard much about the CAF rolling stock either to be honest ;)
     
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    That's what I call luxury, you should try our newest stuff from Paignton

    ;)
     
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    I go to Paignton every August so iknow all about it hope the D trains end up there :)
     
  9. swt_passenger

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    Exactly what you would expect on average, when the things are usually designed for a 35 year life (DMUs) or 40 year life (EMUs).

    If you think about it for a few minutes in the steady state there can never be newish trains everywhere in the country.
     
  10. AM9

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    So which trains in London do you think were replaced before the old stock had reached the end of its useful life there?
     
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    Dare I mention the 707s <D:lol:
     
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    I actually said "were replaced" so the 707s don't really count. However, they will be deployed as almost new stock when an appropriate role is found. However they are more a consequence of commercial incompetance underwritten by the DfT.
    The real issue is as swt_passenger says that there are so many fleets of trains in intensive use in London that in any (say) five year period, at least one of them will have become uneconomic to operate through sheer wear and tear or obsolescence. Typically:
    the 345s are replacing the 35+ year old 315s on the GEML and for the newly electrified GWML
    the 707s (now something else) are replacing the 35+ year old 455s in the SWT area
    the 700s are replacing the 30+ year old 319s on Thameslink, (also with a drastic role change)
    the 710s are for a newly electrified line
    the 717s are replacing the 35+ year old 313s and 317s
    the 387s are for the GWML newly electrified lines and supplementing the 357s on C2C​
    As for the LU sub-surface stock replacements, the old stuff was 1980 (D78), 1970 (C69) and 1962 (A60 & A62). That stock is very heavily used (none of this shuffling along open rural lines).
     
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    Well, there's 305s, 307s, 308s, 309s, 319s for starters...
     
  14. Bornin1980s

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    Exactly, I never did say that any trains in London were replaced before their time. I think the only regions planning to replace trains before their time are South Western and Greater Anglia. All I meant was that maybe the Class 710 is a bit off the radar because new trains are not news in London.

    Am I right in saying that the majority of train journeys in Britain terminate in London, while a large proportion never even leave the area? This goes back to the steam era, when the Southern Railway was the only company to make more money from passenger traffic than freight. All this means that only London and the south-east has enough traffic to require a rolling programme of stock replacement. Network South-east actually planned to do this with the Networkers, presumably replacing the first Networkers once everything else was replaced, but privatisation intervened. This actually meant that, at the turn of the Millennium, the south-east actually had the oldest fleet on the network.

    I suppose another thing with the Class 710 is that it is not a radical new design, but a development of the Crossrail Class 345 (itself, ultimately, a development of the Networker!). That said, it might incorporate some slight differences. It's been observed elsewhere that the headlamp cases have been slightly redesigned. Also, the orange end makes a refreshing change from yellow or black!
     
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    And replacing 315s and 317s out of Liverpool Street.
     
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    I don't understand your words.

    Ah, having read this at home on a real computer rather than squinting at a mobile phone, I see what you mean. Javing commuted on the GE class 306s in the '70s, I always assumed that the 61x4-car 315 sets all replaced the 92x3-car 306 sets. Now I've checked and I see that the Chingford line got about 30% of the 61 total. Surely though, the ex-GEML (now TfL) stock is being replaced by class 345s?
     
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    The Class 710/1s (fleet of 31 AC-only units) are to replace the London Overground Class 315/317 fleet.
     
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    To be fair, these trains are 70s design and early 80s build so its a rare event for the lea valley commuters who have been using 315s and 17s for up to 38 years by the time the first train is in service
     
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    Thanks, - I have added to my last post explaining my misunderstanding.
     
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    Any update on when the 710s might enter service? Are we looking at early or late 2018?
     
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    Does anyone have the interior layout plan of the class 710?
     
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    don't think anything has been published yet- there will be two different interiors.
     
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    As far as I'm aware, the units based from Liverpool Street (and the Romford-Upminster unit) will be partially transverse, similar to the S8 stock and Class 345. The units operating the GOBLIN and the Euston-Watford Junction services will be fully longitudinal as per the S7 stock and Class 378.
     
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    Are there any updates on this? Considering how long the photo of the complete cab front has been around I would have thought that we'd have seen a completed unit by now?
     
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    Not sure there is much to get too excited about really a 20m Carriage 345 with 2 doors per side instead of 3, slightly different front lights, Overground paint scheme, Overground seat trim, and maybe change the panelling to white to match the 378's.
     
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    Interesting that it also suggests they'll go onto the Goblin first, I hadn't realised that. 6 months away actually makes it seem relatively soon. Now that I'm starting to get used to the 345s I'm curious to see how they differ (other than unit and vehicle length of course).
     
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    As far as I've seen they're undergoing some sort of static testing. Don't think one has been raked up as a unit yet but there is a fair few carriages kicking about
     
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    Quite annoying someone has decided the GOBLIN needs longitudinal seating only. Would be nice to have a few normal seats, it surely wouldn't affect crowding too much - 2 cars of transverse to 4 cars will be a huge increase whether or not some transverse seating is included.
     
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    I agree that probably isn't necessary, but I don't think it's because they believe specifically the Goblin needs longitudinal seats, it's because the units that serve it will be common to the fleet serving Euston, and based at Willesden, which will. If they were the units based at Ilford, then I imagine they'd be with part-transverse seating as per the rest of the fleet.
     

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