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Maybe this brings the case for barriers at these stations? Then again that would mean that a large amount of stations on the whole network should get barriers.

I'd imagine G4S staff would be present at those stations on some days. They aren't always at the station you'd expect which is probably the best way of catching fare evaders - one day on the Chester-Manchester via Altrincham line, Greenbank had RPI staff present but larger stations like Altrincham, Knutsford and Northwich did not.
 
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Are the Northern staff on the barriers in the Leeds area G4S? Thought this was only Manchester?
 

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Maybe this brings the case for barriers at these stations? Then again that would mean that a large amount of stations on the whole network should get barriers.

And lots of staff - the ones at Leeds seem to be in constant need of having someone there with a screwdriver!
 

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Maybe this brings the case for barriers at these stations? Then again that would mean that a large amount of stations on the whole network should get barriers.

I agree, although installing barriers at unstaffed stations wouldn't happen as the barriers need to be staffed at all times. It wouldn't be cost effective to barrier a lot of unstaffed stations, particularly around Manchester, which leads me onto another point, most of the uncollected revenue around Manchester is not due to fare evasion, it is mainly a staffing issue with tickets not being checked en route even though passengers boarded at unstaffed stations. An example of this is one of my friends travelled from Rose Hill Marple to Manchester, the conductor never came round selling tickets and the whole train had to queue up to buy a ticket from G4S.

G4S sometimes have a complete block on Piccadilly - but only at off peak times, which kinda defeats the point if you ask me.
 

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the ones at Leeds seem to be in constant need of having someone there with a screwdriver!

I think some of the barrier staff may have the need of a screwdriver as well, judging by the complaints I've seen and heard.
 

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An example of this is one of my friends travelled from Rose Hill Marple to Manchester, the conductor never came round selling tickets and the whole train had to queue up to buy a ticket from G4S.

Sometimes on the Mid-Cheshire line at peak times the conductor only has enough time to do one carriage between Greenbank and Navigation Road, having only 3 staffed stations on that section certainly doesn't help. Some conductors resort to just saying 'Who needs a ticket?' and don't wait about for someone who already ticket to find it in their pocket/wallet/handbag etc. which obviously has disadvantages as well.

I think people not being sold tickets at peak times is worse at the beginning of the week as it'd be very common for people to want weekly tickets on Monday but uncommon for them to want one on Friday.
 

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What about Breich, I believe only 3 trains per day stop, 2 one way and one the other. I've not seen anybody board or alight for at least 3 years. I also remember it was considered for closure not too long ago.
 

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It doesn't any more...

What about Doleham (between Hastings and Rye)? It had only 56 passengers in 07/08, which must be pretty low - surely below even 0.1...

Just out of interest, did these stations have low usage before Southern removed most the calls (when the new Brighton-Ashford service was introduced) or was usage much higher?
 

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Just out of interest, did these stations have low usage before Southern removed most the calls (when the new Brighton-Ashford service was introduced) or was usage much higher?

Doleham annual passenger figures:
2004/05 3,027
2005/06 3,036
2006/07 739
2007/08 56

In contrast Ashley railway station in Cheshire is a low usuage station but is a request stop on any service going through it:

2004/05 3,378
2005/06 4,300
2006/07 3,898
2007/08 3,870

So if Southern have removed stops at Doleham then it looks like doing so reduces passenger numbers whereas villages that get a service on request instead do much better. Ashley has 261 residents, I can't find the population of Doleham for comparison.
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What about Breich, I believe only 3 trains per day stop, 2 one way and one the other. I've not seen anybody board or alight for at least 3 years. I also remember it was considered for closure not too long ago.

That makes it 303 passengers per year for 18 trains per week.
 

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Just out of interest, did these stations have low usage before Southern removed most the calls (when the new Brighton-Ashford service was introduced) or was usage much higher?

Three Oaks almost always used to get a couple passengers when I stopped at it, certainly more so than the other two - probably because there is a village close at hand.
 
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