There is a software incompatibility between the 800`s and 802`s apparently as the 802`s weren`t part of the original Dft plans for the west and east. Considering they are identical in almost every way and 802`s which were intended for use on the West of England lines are regularly used on the South Wales routes it seems pretty daft. Still, Jimm and his gallant band of IET defenders will no doubt be along shortly to tell me the error of my ways.
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There is a software incompatibility between the 800`s and 802`s apparently as the 802`s weren`t part of the original Dft plans for the west and east. Considering they are identical in almost every way and 802`s which were intended for use on the West of England lines are regularly used on the South Wales routes it seems pretty daft. Still, Jimm and his gallant band of IET defenders will no doubt be along shortly to tell me the error of my ways.
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hexagon789
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More like another one of the errors of the IET project, I'd say.
Erniescooper
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The TPE seat is identical to the one in the photograph.
Bletchleyite
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If GWR had not ordered the 802s what would be operating the services currently operated by 802s?
Esker-pades
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HSTs? Or not, because ScotRail would still need them.
swt_passenger
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If GWR had kept enough HSTs for long distance Devon and Cornwall services from Paddington they might not have been able to have the short sets for local services as well. Depends where Scotrail came in the relative priorities I suppose...
northernbelle
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Knackered un-modified HSTs that would be waiting for their turn in the Doncaster rebuild queue.
irish_rail
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Instead we get knackered uncomfortable 802s! I know which id prefer!
Travelling with a group of friends on Saturday who rarely travel by train, they thought the Castle HST set we caught from Penzance was the quiet, smooth & comfortable Inter-City train & the 802 we came home on was the uncomfortable, plastic, short distance commuter train.
Has put them off travelling long distances by train, such as Penzance - Paddington
irish_rail
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Sadly I'm in no way surprised
Unmodified HSTs pending class 222s being released from the MML by IETs.
Bletchleyite
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I'd definitely take an 800 over a 22x myself. Though not with the original seat base cushion.
irish_rail
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100 percent agreed. The 222s would of been an absolute disaster. Awful trains with awful seating I'd even argue perhaps worse than 800 seating. Not nearly enough capacity on the 222s either. Anyway that's one bullet we dodged in the west.....
Dren Ahmeti
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A 9-car IET is replacing the Up Sleeper tonight (1A40), as the loco for it - 57603 - has failed on Long Rock depot...
Lots of refunds for anyone booked on a berth, hopefully they have a way of reducing the coach lighting, so they can catch some Zzzzzz's!
Lots of refunds for anyone booked on a berth, hopefully they have a way of reducing the coach lighting, so they can catch some Zzzzzz's!
Bletchleyite
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I doubt anyone who finds themselves in Standard class is going to be catching any Zzzzzs, though they might find their backside goes to sleep.
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Yikes, don't they have any reserve loco?
Dren Ahmeti
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Chuck me a sleeping bag, and I'll take the disabled space in First!
My 1m 80cm (5 foot 9 in) might be fun to contend with!
Dren Ahmeti
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As far as I know, the closest loco that could haul it would be at Reading TMD, and that's there, along with the spare part that they need!
Bletchleyite
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Is the part going to be sent down on tonight's run, then? Otherwise it'll be 800s from London tomorrow...
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Presumably, however 1C99 is being top & tailed to get a loco down to Penzance so the stock can get to London.
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So much for Long Rock being the epicentre of 57 maintenance then...
Is it even worth bothering, as it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference no matter what I or anyone else says in response to some of the things that get posted here, would it?
I expect Bletchelyite will still be doing his sales pitch in 10 years' time for Grammer seats to be fitted instead of any and every other type of seat installed in any and every type of rolling stock running in Britain - no matter how many times other people say they have no issues with Fainsa seats, or that they hate Grammers.
I doubt that not being able to couple an 800 to an 802 in regular service is giving anyone at GWR or Hitachi sleepless nights. Why should it, when there is no obvious need to operate them in this way and the acceleration settings are different? They can still make a physical connection to rescue each other if required, which is probably a rather more important consideration.
I've lost count of the number of times that Clarence Yard has tried to get over the message that the 802 fleet was never intended to be dedicated 24/7 to the West Country services and that the orders were also intended to address issues that GWR had identified with matching the DfT's initial order for IETs with the December 2018 - now 2019 - timetable plan, along with the subsequent changes in requirements resulting from things like the delay to Oxford electrification.
Bletchleyite
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I don't know, I reckon I could be sold on the FISA LEAN as being even better, but I haven't tried one for a long trip yet.
fgwrich
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No doubt I’ll be told off for this as well by the everything’s fine brigade, but I have a new complaint with these units. I’m currently travelling on one of the 800/3s, along a route I have travelled on near daily for many years, at linespeed. Yet nothing I’ve travelled on has oscillated this badly before. There’s a lot of side to side motion and subsequent rattling / creaking.
Unfortunately for this forum I’ve filmed it as a video but can’t upload it.
Unfortunately for this forum I’ve filmed it as a video but can’t upload it.
cactustwirly
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Refurbished HSTs was the original plan, not sure how that would have worked with the closure of Old Oak Common HSTD
Well I've just spent 2.5 hours on a 5 car 800 for a 10 min trip thanks to a points failure at Bathampton. Highlights were being at Chippenham on 3 separate occasions and the numb backside thanks to the seats! Don't normally notice them but this duration was painful. Have to say the gwr staff on the 800 were great, even stuffing a newspaper into the light fitting to stop it vibrating! Have to say there were some very bad trim rattles coming from close to the vestibule. Now on a beautifully refurbished HST GTi what a difference!
There you go again Jimm, leaning on Clarence yard for all your replies. We know he has his finger on the pulse and works in the front line and I for one respect that. I disagree with him on points of the IET as a train now but that`s a viewpoint. I am also fully aware that some of the 802`s were intended for the Cotswolds routes hence the reason seven further 9 car units were introduced. Incidentally that cannot have been true when the original DtT procurement of 21 Electric 9 car and 36 bi mode 5 car for the South Wales routes was made can it as there was no mention of replacing the West of England stock at that time so why would they now need 802`s on these routes. Surely with all the millions spent on consultations and various other money drains they would have known this.
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No, it wasn't.
There was originally a plan in the original grand IEP procurement scheme that there would be option units for the South West services. That fell by the wayside, as did the "suburban" IEP units for the Oxford electric services.
In the DA2 process it was originally 222 units for the South West services with refurbished HST, including the Chiltern door arrangement iirc, as the comparator. The 222 units won that (cost) contest by a country mile.
When it became obvious to the DfT that the cl.222 were not going to be released from MML, the 802 units won the day with the refurbished HST as the comparator.
cactustwirly
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Well the 222s do have a buffet counter, and more luggage space than the 802s.
But the only way they'd match the capacity of the HSTs would be to run as 2 x 5 car sets.
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