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GC 180 empty stock move catches fire near Wakefield (02/06)

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180108 working 5A83 ECS Crofton to Bradford Interchange has gone up in smoke near Horbury Jn.

Disruption affecting Northern Leeds to Sheffield via Barnsley and TPE trains between Leeds and Huddersfield which are diverted via Wakefield due to engineering work on the main line.
 
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It’s also causing disruption to Grand Central themselves who are advising passengers to use Northern to Leeds, CrossCountry to Sheffield and then EMT to London St Pancras.
 
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A number of lines are closed into Leeds today, including the line through Dewsbury. The line via Horbury is therefore the diversion today so it has essentially divided the TransPennine route at Leeds and Huddersfield.

Leeds to Bradford Interchange also shut so GC have no way of getting any stock from Crofton to Bradford I don’t believe

Traksy shows 1Z99 now in attendance

Huddersfield Examiner reporting that the ‘burnt out train’ won’t be clear for a while :roll:
 
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Fire bottles not putting fire out. Seems
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Think you mean "ALMOST"/ALSTOM.

Fire bottles discharged but didn't put fire out.....
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par for course with cl 180. Never worked reliably so why would fire extinguishers be any different. Never mind, only a few left now. Probably get another hat to replace it (or perhaps all of the small remaining fleet) before they too join the GC pyre.
 
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They’ve now advised passengers to travel via York rather than Sheffield as there is engineering work on the MML today, and join a GC service from Sunderland

The only problem is that the service from Sunderland to London has now also been cancelled due to a train fault.
 
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Andyh82 said:
It’s also causing disruption to Grand Central themselves who are advising passengers to use Northern to Leeds, CrossCountry to Sheffield and then EMT to London St Pancras.
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Good luck with that EMT diversion it's taking ages today to get to / from London due to diverting away from market harborough
 
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According to hudds examiner, engineers are trying to get the train engines started and moving again quickly. That does not appear to be one of Croftons greater strengths based on previous form.
 
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Saw a GC unit heading towards Kirkgate at around 14:30, over the bridge over Denby Dale Road near Thornes Park. Would this have been a unit used to rescue passengers from the errant unit?
 
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matacaster said:
According to hudds examiner, engineers are trying to get the train engines started and moving again quickly. That does not appear to be one of Croftons greater strengths based on previous form.
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I would take most of what that particular media outlet says with a pinch of salt, to be honest

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Think the errant unit was an ECS movement. Know the 1135 train from Bradford was cancelled today
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I similarly believe it was an ECS
 
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I believe that 5A83 1001 Crofton Depot to Bradford Interchange was the errant working this morning

Looks like some normality may now be being restored (another GC has run both ways through it)
 
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Dave1987 said:
AFAIK the Hitachi bi-modes are just as prone to overheating because of the very tight packaging underneath.
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Can you quote a fires per operating mile figure compared to the 180s, rather than defaulting to speculation?
 
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Not surprising Grand Central cancelling services today - due to more trains than usual requiring repair. They might be better leasing the remaining Hull units, and then Hull could hire in a few more HST's to completely run their service, now that staff are starting to learn these.
 
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At about 13:00 it appeared to be been rescued by a 66 possibly a GBRf one
 
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nat67 said:
Its Arriva they won't get any more new stock. Look at all the other Arriva TOC's.
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Northern is Arriva and 101 CAF Civity units were ordered. Granted they had no choice because the Pacers have to go...
 
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nat67 said:
Its Arriva they won't get any more new stock. Look at all the other Arriva TOC's.
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So what would you advocate that Arriva do? Throw loads of money at a basket-case microfleet?

If OAO Hull Trains can order 802s to replace 180s, why can’t OAO GC?
 
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*Speculation*

It could be that HTs and Firsts Edinburgh trains orders was tagged on to TPEs order, However the issue was factory capacity at the time - hence why TPE are also getting the Mk5 and 397 - since then Hitachi acquired the factory at Pistoia and capacity has improved although there is still the significant lead time.
 
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CosherB said:
So what would you advocate that Arriva do? Throw loads of money at a basket-case microfleet?

If OAO Hull Trains can order 802s to replace 180s, why can’t OAO GC?
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They could but I can't see Arriva doing much with GC as you say. But ordering 802's would be a very good answer.
 
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Does anyone know the extent of the damage to the unit following this fire? Wonder when it will return to service.
 
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No idea at this stage, one would wonder whether Alsthom's cost cutting and build quality is a contributing factor. By rights Alsthom should be made to answer and perhaps pit right but somehow I doubt that will happen
 
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The coverage in the Huddersfield Examiners quotes the Fire Brigade as saying a fuel pipe had rubbed though on the underside of the engine which has happened before and having been involved it has been briefed by Alstom more than once how to correctly route pipe work so it doesn’t rub. Very similar to the exhaust clamps that fell off and caused at least 2 fires last that has similarly been briefed and also appear in the VMI task for replacing the engine. There is very little Alstom can do if they are ignored.
 
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