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What preserved railway extension would you most like to see?

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Edders23

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Peak Rail extended to Bakewell - possibly with through trains from Derby on Sundays when the Matlock service is every two hours.


add me to that one the problem would be re-bridging the A6 at Rowsley but plenty of tourism potential albeit trains on that line really plod along and are a bit boring

as for the recycling centre the council did allow enough space for a single track to pass it as they are in favour of extension of the line
 
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If I might do a bit of speaking up for the sometimes despised-and-overlooked -- viz. here, in the often-regarded-as-dull more easterly parts of England where I was born and grew up -- something I'd love to see (it might well at this stage require magic, rather than a mere £30 million), would be: the Nene Valley Railway extended from its present western limit, the five or six miles or so onward to the station, in its proper and as-was site, at Oundle. For a good many years after the 1964 closure of the Peterborough -- Northampton through route, the line remained in use at the Peterborough end, as far as Oundle; for freight, and for beginning-and-end-of-term school trains serving Oundle's well-known public school. It's a beautiful little stone-built town: deserving in my view, more attention from visitors. And from my, admittedly verging-on-bigoted, type of railway-enthusiast POV -- this would make a preserved line of worthwhile length, and running from "somewhere to somewhere", rather than the present in my view rather absurd "somewhere to nowhere".

I do recognise reluctantly (having had this "take" expounded to me, by volunteers on this very line -- and as touched on by the OP) that re things pragmatic: very many of the visitors on whose fares preserved railways rely, prefer a "short-and-sweet" steam experience (say half a dozen miles each way) to a longer one -- and don't give a damn about sentimental old-style railway enthusiasts' concerns over "somewheres and nowheres".


Nene valley to Oundle simply couldn't happen the bridges over the Nene were all removed and would be prohibitively expensive and the Oundle station and surrounding land is now a housing estate so a new station would be needed short of there to which access would be difficult

had this section been the original target of the preservation operation maybe Oundle through to Peterborough might now be realistic
 

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West Somerset Railway from Norton Fitzwarren into Taunton would be good, can use the existing Taunton bay platforms (right hand side when looking south)
 
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West Somerset Railway from Norton Fitzwarren into Taunton would be good, can use the existing Taunton bay platforms (right hand side when looking south)
IMHO the railway is too long as it is. Not the only one that is.
 
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It is too long (much as I love it).
What other options does it have though?
That is a good question. The way it has developed makes cutting down route mileage very difficult. However it does not seem to be able to generate enough income to come anywhere near to meeting maintenance costs. Certainly the last thing it needs is more route mileage in any form.
 

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That is a good question. The way it has developed makes cutting down route mileage very difficult. However it does not seem to be able to generate enough income to come anywhere near to meeting maintenance costs. Certainly the last thing it needs is more route mileage in any form.
I mean the subject of it being extended has been covered plenty of times on here (probably in this thread too), but for the benefit of @MKC25 the problems involve (amongst other things) the cost of slewing the mainline over under the bridge at Silk Mills to accommodate a separated line for the WSR. There’s plenty of other reasons too though.

As far as the line goes (pardon the pun), I can’t see what else they can do that they’re not doing at the moment?
Maybe if GWR extend the odd service to Bishops Lydeard it might bring a few more punters in, but the sheer cost of maintaining 23 miles of Victorian rural branch line must be extraordinarily high.

I suppose one thing that would improve things would be to make sure there’s no repetition of the damaging infighting that’s definitely not been helpful over the years...
 

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considering that the WSR is currently having to spend a lot of money on the Minehead to blue Anchor section I very much doubt they could even contemplate it

their priority needs to be securing the long term future of the existing line not an extension
 

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As far as the line goes (pardon the pun), I can’t see what else they can do that they’re not doing at the moment?
Maybe if GWR extend the odd service to Bishops Lydeard it might bring a few more punters in, but the sheer cost of maintaining 23 miles of Victorian rural branch line must be extraordinarily high.
I wonder whether actually running BR trains through to Minehead, rather than terminating at Norton Fitzwarren, would be more viable. We know how well used trains to other seaside resorts are in the tourist season. Of course, GWR (or Cross Country I suppose) would have to pay track access charges to the WSR, which could well generate more revenue than would be obtained from passengers gained from trains to Bishops Lydeard only.
 

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I wonder whether actually running BR trains through to Minehead, rather than terminating at Norton Fitzwarren, would be more viable. We know how well used trains to other seaside resorts are in the tourist season. Of course, GWR (or Cross Country I suppose) would have to pay track access charges to the WSR, which could well generate more revenue than would be obtained from passengers gained from trains to Bishops Lydeard only.
It’s a nice idea, but the line is fairly full to capacity during summer weekends (which would probably be the only times a straight through service would be actually viable).
Add to that the fact that once it reached the West Somerset it would only be able to travel at 25mph anyway, I personally feel that it’d probably make more sense for passengers to just change onto a normal WSR service train which was going that way.
There was a class 31 hauled train that was tried out in the recent past that showed how difficult it was to make this sort of thing work.
 

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The Tanfield Railway is only a very short journey from Beamish - probably only a couple of miles at the southern end between East Tanfield Station and Rowley Station at Beamish. I've always thought it would be great for the two to merge up so that you can have a ride along the Tanfield Railway from Beamish and stop off and see the Causey Arch. I've no idea how much money it would cost to build a couple of miles of track but I bet £30 million would come close!
 

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I've only just joined this forum but here's my preferences:

1. Embsay to Skipton mainline station - it's currently a good mile walking from Skipton town centre to Embsay!
2. Ruddington (GC) to Wilford on the outskirts of Nottingham, with tram connection to city. Therefore the Great Central Railway will finally, truly deserve the slogan "From Nottingham to Leicester".
3. Llangollen to Ruabon because it connects with national rail there
4. Peak Rail from Rowsley to Bakewell.
 

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I've only just joined this forum but here's my preferences:

1. Embsay to Skipton mainline station - it's currently a good mile walking from Skipton town centre to Embsay!
2. Ruddington (GC) to Wilford on the outskirts of Nottingham, with tram connection to city. Therefore the Great Central Railway will finally, truly deserve the slogan "From Nottingham to Leicester".
3. Llangollen to Ruabon because it connects with national rail there
4. Peak Rail from Rowsley to Bakewell.
1. 2.2 miles station to station.
3. Absolutely! Huge potential for running a fully stocked bar on that route that would rake in a lot more than the fares.
 

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3. Absolutely! Huge potential for running a fully stocked bar on that route that would rake in a lot more than the fares.
Why is Ruabon to Llangollen (or Corwen) so much in need of a decent bar? To my mind a fully stocked bar is one with a selection of real ales stored and served at a nice natural cellar temperature. Not much chance of that in a Mk 1 buffet coach... The bars on (e.g.) the SVR stations provide most of the refreshment needed on a day out there!
However some professional brewing friends of mine do offer a very good range of beers-in-a-bag (like a wine-box) and their yeast is pretty good at sticking to the bottom of the box...
 

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Why is Ruabon to Llangollen (or Corwen) so much in need of a decent bar? To my mind a fully stocked bar is one with a selection of real ales stored and served at a nice natural cellar temperature. Not much chance of that in a Mk 1 buffet coach... The bars on (e.g.) the SVR stations provide most of the refreshment needed on a day out there!
However some professional brewing friends of mine do offer a very good range of beers-in-a-bag (like a wine-box) and their yeast is pretty good at sticking to the bottom of the box...
Llangollen is a popular destination for its pubs and bars. It can be difficult to keep your drink in the glass today as the bus goes around the corners.
 

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Llangollen is a popular destination for its pubs and bars. It can be difficult to keep your drink in the glass today as the bus goes around the corners.
I thought it was illegal to drink alcohol on a moving bus or coach (hence the USP of trains!)
 

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The North Norfolk railway joined up with the Mid Norfolk railway, it will never happen but to have a huge circular railway in Norfolk would be amazing.

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Why is Ruabon to Llangollen (or Corwen) so much in need of a decent bar? To my mind a fully stocked bar is one with a selection of real ales stored and served at a nice natural cellar temperature. Not much chance of that in a Mk 1 buffet coach... The bars on (e.g.) the SVR stations provide most of the refreshment needed on a day out there!
However some professional brewing friends of mine do offer a very good range of beers-in-a-bag (like a wine-box) and their yeast is pretty good at sticking to the bottom of the box...

The Bridge End at Ruabon, just around the corner from the station, is a beer drinkers paradise and has won CAMRA national Pub of the Year.

Ruabon - Llangollen would be great, as would Caernarfon - Bangor, and linking up the various disconnected bits of preserved railway in the Oswestry area (if the A483 problem can be solved).

Pickering - Malton would also be great as parking in Pickering is woefully inadequate and the last train from Whitby doesn't connect with the last bus from Pickering. The last time I used the NYMR, I was directed to an overflow car park so far away that I actually asked the driver of a vintage bus parked therein whether he was a P&R shuttle! He wasn't.

Embsay - Skipton is a no brainer as is Taunton - Bishop Lydeard and Heywood - Castleton. Stoke-on-Trent - Leek would also be nice as would Corwen - Bala.
 

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Would love to see the Pontypool and Blaenavon Railway extend 'over the top' to Brynmawr bringing Waenavon station, the highest standard gauge station in Wales & England, back into use.
 

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I'd eventually like to see the GWSR extended from Broadway to Honeybourne initially as a long-term plan to reach Stratford-upon-Avon.
 

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I think both of those are planned for the future?

Depends how one defines "planned". The impression I get is that it's more aspirational at the moment, along with various ideas over how to get slightly further into Cheltenham.

At present the Broadway extension seems to have been a roaring success, and there's a need to consolidate this before going further. Certainly on the couple of days I've been on the railway since Broadway opened (October, middle of week) there was quite a major overcrowding problem on some journeys.
 

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Depends how one defines "planned". The impression I get is that it's more aspirational at the moment, along with various ideas over how to get slightly further into Cheltenham.

At present the Broadway extension seems to have been a roaring success, and there's a need to consolidate this before going further. Certainly on the couple of days I've been on the railway since Broadway opened (October, middle of week) there was quite a major overcrowding problem on some journeys.
I'd agree that Honeybourne is a medium term aspiration at the moment, after the volunteer team have recovered from the fantastic effort to get the Broadway extension up and running. Whilst it would certainly be good, it must be remembered that apart from the obvious main line connection, there would be precious little new traffic generated to pay for it - however much we might like to think so, there will not be hordes of "first time" customers swarming off Cotswold Line services.

As for Cheltenham, as a local, and I've said it before, I just can't see a case for extending further towards town. There is no chance of a main line connection any more - footpaths, carpark extensions at Lansdown Station, housing developments, and the bridge near Waitrose have pretty much seen to that. In theory they could possibly extend to the stadium, but that puts them in a residential area with much poorer access and parking than they have at the Racecourse, again for no extra revenue generation.
 

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I'd agree that Honeybourne is a medium term aspiration at the moment, after the volunteer team have recovered from the fantastic effort to get the Broadway extension up and running. Whilst it would certainly be good, it must be remembered that apart from the obvious main line connection, there would be precious little new traffic generated to pay for it - however much we might like to think so, there will not be hordes of "first time" customers swarming off Cotswold Line services.

As for Cheltenham, as a local, and I've said it before, I just can't see a case for extending further towards town. There is no chance of a main line connection any more - footpaths, carpark extensions at Lansdown Station, housing developments, and the bridge near Waitrose have pretty much seen to that. In theory they could possibly extend to the stadium, but that puts them in a residential area with much poorer access and parking than they have at the Racecourse, again for no extra revenue generation.

Realistically, I think Honeybourne would only really act as a stepping-stone to an ultimate objective of Stratford, which I think would be a worthwhile revenue objective. A massive task though.
 

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Realistically, I think Honeybourne would only really act as a stepping-stone to an ultimate objective of Stratford, which I think would be a worthwhile revenue objective. A massive task though.
So massive that I, like many others, will be a long time the wrong side of the daisies by then - I'd love it to happen though!
 
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