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Lothian Buses and ECB Discussion

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I find this is the best system to use as it saves some time but makes sure that nobody at the stop misses the bus. It’s annoying when you sometimes get a driver who will only let you off at the stop though, even if you’re stuck behind other buses waiting. I think it’s just a case of some drivers sticking to the only-stop-at-bus-stops rule more strictly than others.
100% agree with this. I think if you are getting off, as long as the bus is within vacinity of the stop, and in the queue for to get to the stop then there is no harm in opening the door and allowing people off. On is a different story IMO but off, should be universal but there is as you say, some stickler drivers who won't open the door until he is within half inch of the flag. SHocked they don't measure!
 
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100% agree with this. I think if you are getting off, as long as the bus is within vacinity of the stop, and in the queue for to get to the stop then there is no harm in opening the door and allowing people off. On is a different story IMO but off, should be universal but there is as you say, some stickler drivers who won't open the door until he is within half inch of the flag. SHocked they don't measure!
:D I find it annoying as half the time I’m walking back on myself when I get off so it’s just longer to walk. (That’s maybe just my fundamental laziness in life though :D)
 

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:D I find it annoying as half the time I’m walking back on myself when I get off so it’s just longer to walk. (That’s maybe just my fundamental laziness in life though :D)
Haha! You might notice its those who let you off early, you have to walk past the actual stop and those who don't means you walk back. Murphys law! lol
 

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Ex Go-Ahead London LX60DXA entered service in city sightseeing livery today as 256, believe DXB Or DXC went to the London Tour company with it. From the same company as 251-255
 

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20942 been sighted at Ferrymill with completely new front end, Gemini 2 with the Wright badge inserted.

Chassis work done just the roof needed now.
 

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I don’t think I’ve known this policy anywhere except in Edinburgh?

Anywhere else, if you aren’t flagging down the second bus within a few seconds, it’d be round the first bus and away.

Edinburgh being bloody awkward as always! :p

With First Aberdeen you don't need to flag them down, just stand at the edge of the pavement at the bus stop. Lothian's bus stop policy is just one of those things i cannot get my head around at all, it just makes no sense holding buses up and causing even more pollution while they sit with the engines running waiting to move 15 metres forward to load passengers.
 

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Ex Go-Ahead London LX60DXA entered service in city sightseeing livery today as 256, believe DXB Or DXC went to the London Tour company with it. From the same company as 251-255
I could have sworn somebody mentioned these the other day but nobody else took notice

Good to see work on 942 has started, hopefully 1029 will get work done in the future. Does anyone know if pics are online of 942?
 

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A good amount of the stagecoach driver don't care much for this stupid policy of bus queing. The council has cased this, and we could do with alot more bus stop on Princes street. I agree we need to either reopen south side of George street and allow buses to operate down this route, and MOVE the bus stops BACK Charlotte Sq.
 

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im guessing its still in LCB Colours still? Also will it get an internal refurb?


thought it was written off?

It's currently in many colours, aluminium, white, green, cream, madder and blue. It's got recovered panels from other buses to fix damaged panels, it's cheaper to fixed panels that are a little bit damaged than buy new ones. The whole front end is white due to the new front being made of plastic composites. It'll receive paint soon, when the roof is finalised.
 

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Is there any indications on how todays vote with unite is going? I know they said they want staff to accept the deal, but unite urged staff to accept deal last time and they never.
The deal has been accepted.

Ex Go-Ahead London LX60DXA entered service in city sightseeing livery today as 256
It's been out for a few days already - I passed it up at Lauriston Place on Wednesday.
Are there more of those, or is it just the one?
 

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The deal has been accepted.


It's been out for a few days already - I passed it up at Lauriston Place on Wednesday.
Are there more of those, or is it just the one?
As i said im pretty sure there was at least one other LX60 Ex Go Ahead that went to London City Tours with it but im not sure what one
 

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In my opinion, they should take a radical look and change some routes. We have many that mirror each other for a large portion of the journey 3 and 33 from Calder Road to Southside, and 25, 3, 33 from Calder Road to North Bridge). 37 & 47 from Straiton Road (7 from Kaimes Crossroads) to Surgeons Hall (37& 7 to South Bridge). 10 & 27 from Craiglochart Road/Colinton Road to Home Street.

If LB planned routes from a fresh, rather than adapt what is there, then yes, it might hard to get used to at first but they might improve not just timings but service too.

They won't though. I just think about 2005 (I think it was 2005 when they made a large number of changes).

I wondered whether the move to 100 seater buses would mean a reduction in some frequencies by co-ordinating some corridors better - e.g. you could swap the 10/16/23/27 to provide one frequent co-ordinated service via the Mound and one frequent co-ordinated service via Princes Street but maybe knocking one or two fewer journeys per hour - same with tying up a few other services too (e.g. a frequent Leith Walk - South Bridge combination, a frequent Haymarket - Abbeyhill combination), but everyone will want a service to Princes Street (and the whole of Princes Street if possible), so I can't see much changing.

For example, would you be happy if your Haymarket - South Bridge service was diverted like the 2 or 35 or 300 (away from the main shopping area/ Waverley)?

The deal has been accepted

Good news (I think?)
 

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The deal has been accepted.


It's been out for a few days already - I passed it up at Lauriston Place on Wednesday.
Are there more of those, or is it just the one?
LX60 DXC/H also were at the same company as 256 so id assume they might me coming up aswell?
 

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The Ex-London open toppers are generally smart looking vehicles, but the conversion on 256 is awfully ghastly.
 

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Edinburgh being bloody awkward as always! :p

With First Aberdeen you don't need to flag them down, just stand at the edge of the pavement at the bus stop. Lothian's bus stop policy is just one of those things i cannot get my head around at all, it just makes no sense holding buses up and causing even more pollution while they sit with the engines running waiting to move 15 metres forward to load passengers.
I have never flagged a Lothian Bus down. I do the same as yourself in Aberdeen and it has always worked.
 

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I wondered whether the move to 100 seater buses would mean a reduction in some frequencies by co-ordinating some corridors better - e.g. you could swap the 10/16/23/27 to provide one frequent co-ordinated service via the Mound and one frequent co-ordinated service via Princes Street but maybe knocking one or two fewer journeys per hour - same with tying up a few other services too (e.g. a frequent Leith Walk - South Bridge combination, a frequent Haymarket - Abbeyhill combination), but everyone will want a service to Princes Street (and the whole of Princes Street if possible), so I can't see much changing.
You don't need to have nearly every service to touch (or near enough touch) Princes Street though. While some want a direct service, if they made use of more interchanges, it might be better too. Maybe even a shuttle bus service between interchanges. Far too many cross services though IMO.

For example, would you be happy if your Haymarket - South Bridge service was diverted like the 2 or 35 or 300 (away from the main shopping area/ Waverley)?
Personally? Yes. I prefer to jump the 35 instead of the 22, 34, etc to go to Ocean Terminal as it misses out town. or 300 to Surgeons Hall instead of the 3, 33, etc.. Especially in peak hours, I find you have a better chance of getting a seat, it's sometimes faster and given the traffic timings, even more so in this month alone. Not every bus needs to go via town as not everyone wants to go to town. I find town hit or miss for shopping (more miss than hit imo) and to be frank, I prefer to do shopping out of town, or in a mall like Ocean Terminal where it's under one roof or online. I fully understand the vast majority want to go via town, but is that because they use Princes Street as an exchange? So many buses on a single lane (in some parts) street, is what I'd call madness, again, my opinion.

The deal has been accepted.
That is good news. Thank you :)
 

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You don't need to have nearly every service to touch (or near enough touch) Princes Street though. While some want a direct service, if they made use of more interchanges, it might be better too. Maybe even a shuttle bus service between interchanges. Far too many cross services though IMO.


Personally? Yes. I prefer to jump the 35 instead of the 22, 34, etc to go to Ocean Terminal as it misses out town. or 300 to Surgeons Hall instead of the 3, 33, etc.. Especially in peak hours, I find you have a better chance of getting a seat, it's sometimes faster and given the traffic timings, even more so in this month alone. Not every bus needs to go via town as not everyone wants to go to town. I find town hit or miss for shopping (more miss than hit imo) and to be frank, I prefer to do shopping out of town, or in a mall like Ocean Terminal where it's under one roof or online. I fully understand the vast majority want to go via town, but is that because they use Princes Street as an exchange? So many buses on a single lane (in some parts) street, is what I'd call madness, again, my opinion.
yeah for cross city, but in most cases its not a cross city journey people make. having services go to north bridge/princess street/west end is good for the high percentage who do get on/off there is better than this forums propsals to make services avoid there wich would pack up the rest, completely filling every service
 
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Edinburgh being bloody awkward as always! :p

With First Aberdeen you don't need to flag them down, just stand at the edge of the pavement at the bus stop. Lothian's bus stop policy is just one of those things i cannot get my head around at all, it just makes no sense holding buses up and causing even more pollution while they sit with the engines running waiting to move 15 metres forward to load passengers.

I can see it 2 ways in Edinburgh, on the 1 hand you have the wait till the bus in front moves away , then nobody misses bus ( but hugely frustrating as a driver when you get to the stop after 2 mins or more then nobody there)
The other is when approaching a stop , especially when there are many services serve that stop , if nobody indicates they need the service or not then there becomes a road safety issue , as there is other traffic around the bus . Managers could discipline if you fail to stop for intending customers too but in the condition of carriage it states the intending customer needs to indicate they need the service, So you slow down or stop and lose more time etc
 

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Just seen a rumour online about another batch of 100 seaters - destined for the 22's. Not sure i believe it, with a further batch rumoured for the 26's... Just after we finished vinyling them*. Great.

*i know they've been done for a relatively long time.
 

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Thanks.
Not the most knowledgeable person on buses, but I use them literally every day and night for work, so maybe I can post when I feel like I have something good to add to a thread.
You won't be the only one on here who has not got a large insite to buses, but if you want to learn, you will from some brilliant members on here (ie body names, chassis etc) however many members here are passangers, some work in the company, drivers, maintnance, etc and others just have a plethora of information which is extremly helpful.

Ever see something that confuses you or you wonder what it means, or have any question, just ask. No question is stupid and we are all friendly around here :) even if there is the odd disagreement lol
 

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Just seen a rumour online about another batch of 100 seaters - destined for the 22's. Not sure i believe it, with a further batch rumoured for the 26's... Just after we finished vinyling them*. Great.

*i know they've been done for a relatively long time.
I did think that the next batch would be split between Marine and Longstone as it's not fair for Central to keep getting the new toys! lol. If true, I assume it would also mean the rest of the B7s can be removed from service as the 22 alocation can be pushed over to other services. I know this was supposed to be done by I think April 2020 but may it be done before then?

Is it my imagination however, or are ADL managing to get the buses to us faster than we have had from WrightBus? I mean, we only spoke about the B8L coming to us less than a year ago, and we already have 77 I think?
 

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I did think that the next batch would be split between Marine and Longstone as it's not fair for Central to keep getting the new toys! lol. If true, I assume it would also mean the rest of the B7s can be removed from service as the 22 alocation can be pushed over to other services. I know this was supposed to be done by I think April 2020 but may it be done before then?

Is it my imagination however, or are ADL managing to get the buses to us faster than we have had from WrightBus? I mean, we only spoke about the B8L coming to us less than a year ago, and we already have 77 I think?

Not sure i believe the rumours though. ive heard some things that make me think we wont be getting anymore new stock this year - apparently RH has been told to watch the spending. but things change so quickly...

They have alot of orders yes, but to reflect that they also have multiple manufacturing facilities and a fantastic huge workforce.
 

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Not sure i believe the rumours though. ive heard some things that make me think we wont be getting anymore new stock this year - apparently RH has been told to watch the spending. but things change so quickly...

They have alot of orders yes, but to reflect that they also have multiple manufacturing facilities and a fantastic huge workforce.
I guess it depends on his mood, happy and it's spend spend spend lol.

The only thing I still disagree with (and many will disagree with me on this) is reintroducing dual doors on non B8L fleet, ie B5s. Takes away a few seats for start. I know it's coming but I don't like it. I can understand it on the B8RLEA though.
 
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