Trivia: Ceremonial Counties with the most Stations?

Ken H · 30 Aug 2019

County of N Yorks

York, Harrogate, Scarborough,Skipton, Northallerton,Knaresborough, Malton, Hornbeam Park, Thirsk, Starbeck, Settle, Pannal, Filey, Whitby, Semer, Church Fenton, Poppleton, Weeton, Cattal, Sherburn in Elmet, Hammerton, Hellifield, Hunmanby, Long Preston, Danby, Great Ayton, Ulleskelf, Commondale, Castleton Moor, Kildale, Battersby

Got the list from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_busiest_railway_stations_in_North_Yorkshire
But its wrong because Clapham, Bentham, Horton in Ribblesdale and Ribblehead are missing.

So 36 then

EDIT. Apologies. that was the list of busiest. but the railway station in N Yorkshire is also wrong because it omits Harrogate.

Teach me to rely on Wiki
I will get a proper list together and post here

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urbophile · 31 Aug 2019

Ken H said:
County of N Yorks

York, Harrogate, Scarborough,Skipton, Northallerton,Knaresborough, Malton, Hornbeam Park, Thirsk, Starbeck, Settle, Pannal, Filey, Whitby, Semer, Church Fenton, Poppleton, Weeton, Cattal, Sherburn in Elmet, Hammerton, Hellifield, Hunmanby, Long Preston, Danby, Great Ayton, Ulleskelf, Commondale, Castleton Moor, Kildale, Battersby

Got the list from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_busiest_railway_stations_in_North_Yorkshire
But its wrong because Clapham, Bentham, Horton in Ribblesdale and Ribblehead are missing.

So 36 then

Also Gargrave, Giggleswick, Cononley

Ken H · 31 Aug 2019

David Emmott said:
Also Gargrave, Giggleswick, Cononley

Horton in Ribblesdale, Ribblehead...

NorthernSpirit · 31 Aug 2019

Millisle said:
There are three mainland counties in Scotland with now no railway: Kirkcudbrightshire, Peeblesshire and Kinross-shire, and one with a railway, but currently no station, Berwickshire. Are there any counties in England or Wales with no stations?

What about Lundy? Technically its a county in its own right (although it depends on how one percieves it) which doesn't have any railways or even buses for that matter?

Then you've got Sically which is a county just off the south west tip of Cornwall, Sically doesn't have any railways.

sw1ller · 1 Sep 2019

oglord said:
Yes I did point out that the station data was slightly out of date. If anyone has any more recent data I can revisit the calculation.

Flintshire has 9 stations, not 12. I’d be interested to know where the other 3 were in your list.

You could MAYBE stretch it to 10 as Shotton has a high level and low level, which are a fair distance apart, but it is classed as one station.

North Wales Coast

Shotton
Flint

Borderlands line

Cefn y bedd
Caergwrle
Hope
Penyffordd
Buckley
Hawarden
Shotton (duplicate)
Hawarden bridge

61653 HTAFC · 1 Sep 2019

NorthernSpirit said:
What about Lundy? Technically its a county in its own right (although it depends on how one percieves it) which doesn't have any railways or even buses for that matter?

Then you've got Sically which is a county just off the south west tip of Cornwall, Sically doesn't have any railways.

Lundy doesn't have a permanent population does it? It's only a separate area from the surrounding mainland counties because without a permanent population there's little need for services provided by County or District councils. When researchers stay on the island those services are better provided by a different body, be it the Environment Agency or Natural England or whoever.

The Scilly Isles (not to be confused with Sicily of course

) are administratively part of Cornwall aren't they? Being small and multiple, it's no surprise that public transport on the islands is generally helicopters, boats and minibuses rather than railways... Then again given how widespread "Railway Mania" was in the mid-19th century, it's almost a surprise that there aren't railways (abandoned or otherwise) on some of these offshore backwaters!

oglord · 1 Sep 2019

sw1ller said:
Flintshire has 9 stations, not 12. I’d be interested to know where the other 3 were in your list.

You could MAYBE stretch it to 10 as Shotton has a high level and low level, which are a fair distance apart, but it is classed as one station.

It wasn't in the GIS data. There were two different points - Shotton and Shotton High Level. The other two were Rhyl and Prestatyn. As I have already pointed out, my data is a county list, not a local government area list, before you point out that Rhyl and Prestatyn are not within the "Flintshire" local government remit.

sw1ller · 1 Sep 2019

oglord said:
It wasn't in the GIS data. There were two different points - Shotton and Shotton High Level. The other two were Rhyl and Prestatyn. As I have already pointed out, my data is a county list, not a local government area list, before you point out that Rhyl and Prestatyn are not within the "Flintshire" local government remit.

Yeah I know you pointed that out, that’s why I posted this, so you can update it.

oglord · 1 Sep 2019

sw1ller said:
Yeah I know you pointed that out, that’s why I posted this, so you can update it.

Update what? The figures are correct, with the proviso that the station data is two years old.

anti-pacer · 3 Sep 2019

Well at the other end of the scale, Rutland just has the one station - Oakham.

Just saying. :lol:

Altnabreac · 3 Sep 2019

Is the station data maybe a fair bit more than 2 years old?

Just a couple of Scottish ones I looked at: Kincardineshire should be 3 but maybe the data doesn’t have Laurencekirk from 2009 and West Lothian should be 7 but again maybe Armadale isn’t included despite opening in 2011?

oglord · 4 Sep 2019

Altnabreac said:
Is the station data maybe a fair bit more than 2 years old?

Just a couple of Scottish ones I looked at: Kincardineshire should be 3 but maybe the data doesn’t have Laurencekirk from 2009 and West Lothian should be 7 but again maybe Armadale isn’t included despite opening in 2011?

Yes, it appears so. The metadata.xml in the ZIP file was created in October 2017, but the station_point.shp Shapefile has a timestamp of October 2008! There must be a more recent GIS dataset somewhere.

P.S. The winner will still be Lancashire!

Altnabreac · 4 Sep 2019

oglord said:
Yes, it appears so. The metadata.xml in the ZIP file was created in October 2017, but the station_point.shp Shapefile has a timestamp of October 2008! There must be a more recent GIS dataset somewhere.

P.S. The winner will still be Lancashire!

That makes more sense then, I just couldn't make some of your numbers work unless the station data was older than 2 years ago.

Scottish changes are:
Kincardineshire goes from 2 to 3 (Laurencekirk)
West Lothian goes from 6 to 7 (Armadale)
Lanarkshire goes from 77 to 79 (Caldercruix, Blackridge)
Midlothian goes from 17 to 23 (Edinburgh Gateway, Gorebridge, Newtongrange, Eskbank, Shawfair, Stow)
Selkirkshire goes from 0 to 1 (Galashiels)
Roxburghshire goes from 0 to 1 (Tweedbank)
Ross-shire goes from 19 to 20 (Conon Bridge)

To be honest at least 2 of these reopenings highlight the flaws of using this methodology in Scotland.

No one in Stow continues to have any affinity with Midlothian from which it was isolated geographically by the Moorfoot Hills and its inclusion in Midlothian is thought to be related to its ecclesiastical history.
Blackridge station being in Lanarkshire is also an outlier from using outdated boundaries where the County boundaries were specifically changed to include housing around the (previously closed station site) in the same county as the village it served. Again you won't find anyone living in Blackridge south of the Barbauchlaw Burn who thinks they are Lanarkshire exiles.

Moderator note: for further discussion regarding this please see: https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/discussion-regarding-counties.195293/

A0wen · 4 Sep 2019

anti-pacer said:
Well at the other end of the scale, Rutland just has the one station - Oakham.

Just saying.

Which given it is England's 4th smallest county and has only two towns in it is a pretty good provision.

Neighbouring Northamptonshire has 6 - which has to be among the lowest for the size of the county.

yorkguy · 12 Sep 2019

Ken H said:
County of N Yorks

York, Harrogate, Scarborough,Skipton, Northallerton,Knaresborough, Malton, Hornbeam Park, Thirsk, Starbeck, Settle, Pannal, Filey, Whitby, Semer, Church Fenton, Poppleton, Weeton, Cattal, Sherburn in Elmet, Hammerton, Hellifield, Hunmanby, Long Preston, Danby, Great Ayton, Ulleskelf, Commondale, Castleton Moor, Kildale, Battersby

Got the list from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_busiest_railway_stations_in_North_Yorkshire
But its wrong because Clapham, Bentham, Horton in Ribblesdale and Ribblehead are missing.

So 36 then

EDIT. Apologies. that was the list of busiest. but the railway station in N Yorkshire is also wrong because it omits Harrogate.

Teach me to rely on Wiki
I will get a proper list together and post here

Selby

Djgr · 12 Sep 2019

randyrippley said:
For a start you have to include Liverpool, Manchester and southern Lakeland in Lancashire

In which case Birkenhead and the Wirral in Cheshire, thank you very much.

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