Class 158 train on Southport line

STANDISH · 13 Sep 2019

Reported 158796 on train going from Southport towards Manchester this afternoon.

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PHILIPE · 13 Sep 2019

STANDISH said:
Reported 158796 on train going from Southport towards Manchester this afternoon.

They have been running there on Leeds services regularly ever since the 142 withdrawal process started some weeks ago. There is already discussion on the Forum.

Mitchell Hurd · 13 Sep 2019

That's an upgrade and a half from a 142

- I bet regular uses of this line are happy at not just a higher quality air-conditioned train but one with table seats which means you can use a laptop plus put coffees on the tables- even the seat-back trays in the airline seats!

Ianno87 · 13 Sep 2019

Mitchell Hurd said:
That's an upgrade and a half from a 142 - I bet regular uses of this line are happy at not just a higher quality air-conditioned train but one with table seats which means you can use a laptop plus put coffees on the tables- even the seat-back trays in the airline seats!

Ironic if they disappear again in December as a result of Leeds trains getting chopped back to Wigan so that Sandgrounders can get their 'vital' Piccadilly direct train again....

Llama · 13 Sep 2019

The Southport line will see more 158s soon. And then maybe something a bit different from December...

Grannyjoans · 12 Dec 2019

Southport line to loose all it's 158's at the start of the new timetable next week ?

Grannyjoans · 12 Dec 2019

769 supposed to be starting in March on the Alderley Edge services but the Stalybridge stopper likely to remain with 150's

Bletchleyite · 12 Dec 2019

Grannyjoans said:
769 supposed to be starting in March on the Alderley Edge services but the Stalybridge stopper likely to remain with 150's

From the punter's point of view there's not a lot of difference between a double 150 and a single 769, at least until it gets to Bolton and sticks the pan up.

Grannyjoans · 12 Dec 2019

The main difference is 769's are just cleaner and quieter. But either is a step down from 158's from the passengers point of view.

The 158's will not be going to Southport at all from next week. 156's maybe if we're lucky, but I bet it will be all 150's!

Llama · 12 Dec 2019

Grannyjoans said:
Southport line to loose all it's 158's at the start of the new timetable next week ?

Yep, no booked 158s from what I can see, even on Sundays when none work through to Alderley Edge.

Grannyjoans · 12 Dec 2019

Is it all 150's then ?

Llama · 13 Dec 2019

150s & 156s yes. Mostly double sets, a few singles.

Jamesrob637 · 13 Dec 2019

Llama said:
150s & 156s yes. Mostly double sets, a few singles.

Which translates in Northern Fail terms to "mostly single sets, a few doubles" :lol:

Llama · 13 Dec 2019

The diagrams are treated more like hopes and aspirations by traincrew, yes.

Bletchleyite · 13 Dec 2019

Llama said:
The diagrams are treated more like hopes and aspirations by traincrew, yes.

Well, at least the old adage of "it wouldn't happen to a Home Counties commuter franchise" can be binned, as it, er, has.

SeanG · 13 Dec 2019

Atherton line to be mostly single units from next week

Bletchleyite · 13 Dec 2019

SeanG said:
Atherton line to be mostly single units from next week

That's rather less than ideal. What are they doing with them instead? Or are we finding that, as I suspected, not enough stock was ordered to replace Pacers?

Jamesrob637 · 13 Dec 2019

SeanG said:
Atherton line to be mostly single units from next week

Is that just over the festive period when there are traditionally less commuters?

SeanG · 13 Dec 2019

That is for the foreseeable.
Let's just say that people won't be as keen to have wanted the pacers gone come January onwards....

Geeves · 13 Dec 2019

Least some of those single units will likely be 3 car 158s so not entirely terrible. In addition if the timetable settles down the Atherton line will have alot more seats simply because trains will be stopping again after months and months of skip stopping to try and run a totally impossible timetable. Oh and the Kirkbys will be back all day.

73001 · 13 Dec 2019

Geeves said:
Least some of those single units will likely be 3 car 158s so not entirely terrible. In addition if the timetable settles down the Atherton line will have alot more seats simply because trains will be stopping again after months and months of skip stopping to try and run a totally impossible timetable. Oh and the Kirkbys will be back all day.

The Leeds trains only go to Wigan from the change so it's only going to be 150 and 156 for Southport passengers.

SeanG · 13 Dec 2019

150s and 156s for everything via either Atherton or Westhoughton, including the Leeds service

Grannyjoans · 16 Dec 2019

769 Flex to start in March from Southport to Alderley Edge and Stalybridge
Hope it's not late, as everything else is

Grannyjoans · 16 Dec 2019

SeanG said:
150s and 156s for everything via either Atherton or Westhoughton, including the Leeds service

142s/150s/153s/156s/158s via Atherton
150s/156s only via Westhoughton (80% 150's)

Bletchleyite · 16 Dec 2019

Grannyjoans said:
769 Flex to start in March from Southport to Alderley Edge and Stalybridge
Hope it's not late, as everything else is

Hope it works, as converting 1980s EMUs to DMUs has not, thus far, proven an entirely successful endeavour.

Grannyjoans · 16 Dec 2019

These things are carrying an extra 70 tonnes. The 319 was not exactly fast from a standing start, what's it going to be like with all this added weight?

Geeves · 17 Dec 2019

73001 said:
The Leeds trains only go to Wigan from the change so it's only going to be 150 and 156 for Southport passengers.

3 car 158 on the Stalybridge to Southport yesterday so its not set in stone by the looks of it. I was the same as you thinking Southport had lost its 158s but seems not to be the case.

sprinterguy · 17 Dec 2019

Grannyjoans said:
These things are carrying an extra 70 tonnes. The 319 was not exactly fast from a standing start, what's it going to be like with all this added weight?

An extra 70 tonnes? The engine rafts and associated modifications to the class 769s add an extra 7.5 tonnes to the weight of each driving car according to an article in Rail Engineer (https://www.railengineer.co.uk/2018/09/27/bi-mode-good-tri-mode-better/), which is a pretty typical figure for an underfloor diesel engine raft, alternator and exhaust system.

Grannyjoans · 18 Dec 2019

Geeves said:
3 car 158 on the Stalybridge to Southport yesterday so its not set in stone by the looks of it. I was the same as you thinking Southport had lost its 158s but seems not to be the case.

Hope that's a sign of things to come on the Stalybridge service ? Makes a change to get something better than a 150 on that

Grannyjoans · 18 Dec 2019

sprinterguy said:
An extra 70 tonnes? The engine rafts and associated modifications to the class 769s add an extra 7.5 tonnes to the weight of each driving car according to an article in Rail Engineer (https://www.railengineer.co.uk/2018/09/27/bi-mode-good-tri-mode-better/), which is a pretty typical figure for an underfloor diesel engine raft, alternator and exhaust system.

The extra 70 tonnes comes from reinforcing the end coaches to carry the weight of the engines and all the other associated extra equipment. The end coaches were never designed to carry that much weight, and on the tests the coaches proved that they couldn't carry it without the underframe flexing.

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