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Sacked for being late due to being held at barriers

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I got sacked earlier this year for being late as had to queue at barriers at Glasgow central as conductor didn't get round in time. I have a disabled Strathclyde bus pass so can only buy on board or at a staffed station. My station is unmanned what are my options??
 
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What are you looking to achieve? Realistically I’d consider allowing more time for the journey if a small hold up like that caused repetitive occurrences of you getting to work late. Your dismissal for poor time keeping isn’t the railways’ fault.
 

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Of course travelling earlier is not always a realistic option if earlier services are infrequent or don't exist; but perhaps the answer there is that rail is not the right way to get to work at the time you needed to be in. Transportphoto is right that it's not up to the rail network to get you to work on time, but it would be a shame if it's putting barriers in your way.

It would help us to know what station you're travelling from.

If you're commuting, could you buy tickets the evening before or tickets for the week on a Monday at Glasgow Central ticket office?
 
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I got sacked earlier this year for being late as had to queue at barriers at Glasgow central as conductor didn't get round in time. I have a disabled Strathclyde bus pass so can only buy on board or at a staffed station. My station is unmanned what are my options??
Sounds like it's too late now. but how long were you queuing for? Is there a suitable earlier train? Is the workplace near any other stations?
 

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I got sacked earlier this year for being late as had to queue at barriers at Glasgow central as conductor didn't get round in time. I have a disabled Strathclyde bus pass so can only buy on board or at a staffed station. My station is unmanned what are my options??
There's only one viable option I could see here. You say you have a disabled bus pass - does that disability make you unable to drive? If so, and the employer knew this when hiring you, and there's no reasonable way to get to work earlier by public transport, and your lateness was nearly always caused by transport failures - then you could possibily have an unfair dismissal case arguing that they've failed to make a reasonable adjustment for your protected charachteristic. But there's certainly no action you can take against the railway, especially because it's highly unlikely you were sacked for being late just once.
 

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The railway makes it abundantly clear in conditions of carriage that it isn't liable for consequential loss. It doesn't even sound like this has been caused by an actual delay to trains.
 

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With most employers simply being late once wouldn't even rate a formal warning.
 

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With most employers simply being late once wouldn't even rate a formal warning.

Yeah, if you've been sacked for being late once, your problem is with your employer, not the railway. I think there's a lot more to this that we're not being told.
 

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Yes, I suspect the OP was consistently late. Can he/she confirm this?
Some employers are more lenient than others however none would dismiss you for being late once. They would almost certainly have an unfair dismissal case to deal with if they did and that might cause reputational damage..
As others have mentioned all we can say for certain is that the railway can not be held liable.
 

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I got sacked earlier this year for being late as had to queue at barriers at Glasgow central as conductor didn't get round in time. I have a disabled Strathclyde bus pass so can only buy on board or at a staffed station. My station is unmanned what are my options??

The old railway get out clause of always allow plenty of time etc but nobody can ever explain how long this proverbial peice of string is.

It does seem incredibly harsh to be sacked over this, possibly a case of unfair dismissal?
 

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The old railway get out clause of always allow plenty of time etc but nobody can ever explain how long this proverbial peice of string is.
It’s probably similar in length to the one you use if you are driving or using a bus to get to work. Which largely depends on the individual and their definition of what being at work in time actually means - for some 30 seconds early will do and for others it’s 30 minutes.
 

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It’s probably similar in length to the one you use if you are driving or using a bus to get to work. Which largely depends on the individual and their definition of what being at work in time actually means - for some 30 seconds early will do and for others it’s 30 minutes.
Not really, you're not expected to be at the bus stop x amount of minutes before departure in order to buy a ticket.
 

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Not really, you're not expected to be at the bus stop x amount of minutes before departure in order to buy a ticket.
But they are means of transport where an arrival time may be even more in the hands of fate than it is on the railway.
 
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If there is a TVM at the station you board at you can buy Strathclyde Disabled Concessionary tickets on the Scotrail website and collect them at the machine. May be easier to do.
 

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How does that sit with consumer law?
Quite well I believe.
If you used a train/coach/bus to get to the airport for your flight and you missed it because your ground transport was late you could not claim back the cost of your flight hotels etc. So why should getting to work on time be any different?
 

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Quite well I believe.
If you used a train/coach/bus to get to the airport for your flight and you missed it because your ground transport was late you could not claim back the cost of your flight hotels etc. So why should getting to work on time be any different?

My understanding is that if you already have a contract with the ground transport provider (because the ticket was purchased ahead of time) and they fail to provide the service with reasonable care and skill then you possibly could claim successfully. I would imagine the first successful claims would need to go through the courts for a while or have gagging clauses in settlements.
 

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Quite well I believe.
If you used a train/coach/bus to get to the airport for your flight and you missed it because your ground transport was late you could not claim back the cost of your flight hotels etc. So why should getting to work on time be any different?
Its not as simple as you claim.

However as no information is forthcoming from the OP, we cannot even begin to form any sort of conclusion.

It may be that the OP has a valid claim against the employer and/or the railway, but on the balance not probabilities and based on the (lack of) information provised, they probably don't. But we cannot say so definitively.

There is no point continuing until more information is provided.
 
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