Taylorgb19
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Does that mean now Cambridge to Ipswich class 755 will run to Harwich international on the once a day and return
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ashkeba
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The Bombardier ones are not on time either, are they?
RailWonderer
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In short, ASDO cameras are third party and Stadler aren’t keen on in-house very much, so they used this product and ran into programming issues they didn’t expect because they’ve never rolled out trains on UK rails before, so introduction is delayed for some stations. I know for anyone ex railway this is frustrating but for everyone else it just means a delay into service by a few weeks. It isn’t a calamity. The 755 introduction has been fairly successful so far.
GA may be a PR company that runs a railway on the side but they are delivering big, they just deceived people and themselves at how quick that would be. The majority of the fleet and infrastructure is old, they need time to modernise and small issues are inevitable, regardless of why they are caused.
The company culture of blaming at Stadler and GA may not be perfect but the FLIRTS will be in service eventually, the major crisis lies with the 720s (for another thread). As long as the job is done without negative impact does company culture matter to those using the railway outside of customer facing station staff?
dk1
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Spring onwards I would say.
CTS1990
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A couple of questions, if anyone can help:
Is there a list of diagrams for the Ipswich-Cambridge services?
What's the future for the outgoing Class 153 and 156s? The 153s look especially tired!
I do hope they stop putting them on the rush hour services...I dread seeing the 'formed of 1 coach' announcement on the departure boards!
Is there a list of diagrams for the Ipswich-Cambridge services?
What's the future for the outgoing Class 153 and 156s? The 153s look especially tired!
I do hope they stop putting them on the rush hour services...I dread seeing the 'formed of 1 coach' announcement on the departure boards!
dk1
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Rush hour doesn't really have anything to do with it. They just remain on the diagram whether its booked 156, 170 or 755. It's that or a bus to be honest.
The Stadler works the diagram commencing 0654 ex-IPS returning at 0848. The 153s transfer to Wales withing the next few weeks whilst the 156s should be with East Mids by 2020.
F Great Eastern
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From what I can see this morning, almost every single Ipswich to Peterborough/Cambridge train and return is either cancelled or short formed.
K.o.R
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Sounds like something out of Star Trek. Very cool.
One end has a black triangle next to the number (memories of Thumpers, anyone?); what does this signify?
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Scottychoo
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Seriously?! You must work for GA PR department.
CTS1990
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Thanks for the information, look forward to further units being rolled out soon. I only mention peak hour services as the shortage of rolling stock has resulted in major overcrowding. The 06:16 ex-IPS has been worked by a 153 of late - only since the transition to the Stadlers. Case in point why the new rolling stock is an absolute must!
Aureol Colin
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just rode 755419 from Needham Market to Bury St Edmunds. Using the Electric as far as Stowmarket, really impressive acceleration away from Needham.
RailWonderer
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The first delivery and UK tests happened almost a year ago. Three months ago the first 755 entered service, now 1 in 3 units are in service on a good day.
Forget the ambitious timeframes in the bid and you have a decent rate of rollout. By rolling stock standards, for a completely new and unproven build of train to work at this rate, it isn’t too shabby. There’s only been minor issues so far.
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Just compare with the “achievements” of the roll out of the other fleet they’ve bought from a manufacturer with extensive UK experience.
captainbigun
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Both manufacturers introductions have been shambolic. We cannot just ignore the franchise agreement, the franchise was awarded on this basis, and pretty much without exception dates have been missed. Stadler must have agreed to the proposed dates, no?
Not just for stock introduction but a whole host of commitments.
Bombardier, however, are extra special and unique in their cock ups. 720s still don't work properly.....
Not just for stock introduction but a whole host of commitments.
Bombardier, however, are extra special and unique in their cock ups. 720s still don't work properly.....
The cycle space is in that carriage. The wheelchair space is the next carriage.
F Great Eastern
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Forget the issues and there are no issues, you are basically saying.
Most passengers don't judge people by rolling stock standards, they judge them by the quality of service that they get from the operator, which has been absolutely shocking with a downgrade on capacity on the majority of the network through trains operating services with less capacity than what they were a year ago because of the now shorter formations.
The service on the local lines out of Ipswich is atrocious and at an all time low at present as Greater Anglia continue to chase PR at the expense of their customers. The Cambridge, Peterborough and Lowestoft to Ipswich trains are hideously ovecrowded with 1 car 153s running on services formerly being run by 2 or 3 car DMUS now being commonplace at peak time.
Recent token FLIRT allocations have been influenced by nothing more than adding more lines to have a single FLIRT on to give the impression the roll-out is happening at speed greater than it actually is which means we have the farce in allocations at the moment where the least used line has a 4 car FLIRT running on it whilst peak time flows out of Ipswich that used to be 3 cars are being operated by a 153.
Anyone with any care for customers would immediately halt FLIRT workings on the Felixstowe line which does not need a 4 car service, and use the extra train on the other local lines out of Ipswich which badly need the capacity, but that wouldn't make the roll-out looked as swift so you can expect GA not to do it and no doubt we instead will have a flurry of lines before Christmas with one FLIRT on it and the rest legacy stock to generate lots of press about new trains on x line, rather than focusing on matching capacity with demand.
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If you were Stadler and were after business in the UK would you object or go along with what GA wanted, knowing there was likely someone else who would take the business if you didn’t sign up? I bet they knew, thought they’d priced in enough risk to cover it and signed up.
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Everything else may be a long running disaster, but I feel the Flirt allocation re Ipswich Cambridge has been well chosen; they've got it straight onto two of the most overcrowded regional trains they run.
RailWonderer
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I am aware the service is atrocious at the moment, especially on the rurals. The trains are dirty and short formed but this is because 170s left because GA didn’t extend the leases thinking all 755s would be in service by now.
Why a 755 is on Felixstowe and Sheringham diagrams when it could be on another Cambridge is beside me, I don’t disagree that PR at the expense of day to day commuting is outrageous. Surely they could make good PR from reducing overcrowding at commuter times like GWR did when 8/12 car 387s replaced 5/6 car turbos
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Quite, also see CAF. Unfortunate as by all accounts the product is good when it works.
CTS1990
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There is no reliable link to the ECML from Suffolk at the moment, which is very poor indeed. The two-hourly interval just isn't good enough, although I appreciate there is no capacity for an hourly service. I can only hope the FLIRTS allow the service to (at least) function properly.
With this being a general election period, it would be interesting to see what local candidates think of the current farce!
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Does it definitely mean that now? https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/321-black-triangles.100082/ says it used to mean only that there is no van at the other end, so large luggage should be brought to this end, which is similar in practice - exactly the same on 755s at present, but might not be on 321, 379 or 170s. I suspect it's not on the 170s but I don't have one in front of me right now
DannyMich2018
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At least a year late so unfair for anyone to blame Stadler alone.
DannyMich2018
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I agree completely, compared to some new/rebuilt trains the roll out for the Class 755's has not been too bad at all really compared to Class 710/720/769/230, it's worlds away.....
I thought Stadler had admitted they were 'caught out' a bit with the order ? 1) Not used to such a high volume of production and 2) The higher safety aspects that surround UK Railways, they are now playing catch up to fix all the manufacturing faults.
F Great Eastern
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Hopefully the 755/4 will then go onto the branches that really need the capacity....
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Do the drivers that go to Cambridge, from Ipswich presumably, know how to drive the new trains yet? If not that might be why the trains are running where they are.