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Peter Mugridge
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Pressure Ventilated, I think?
Bertie the bus
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Out of interest, what did it do when it ran into platform 3? Did it stop at the south end or towards the middle of the platform at any point or just continue to the north?
12LDA28C
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Pressure Ventilated stock, which the early Mk2s were before air conditioning became standard.
Wuggie Norple
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At the moment, this is correct. However, this report implies that these Mk2a vehicles will be fitted with dual-braking, possibly a first for Mk2 stock:
Steam locomotive changes at Vintage Trains as growth plans announced
Vintage Trains has today released an update on their current growth plans for 2024 and beyond.
www.railadvent.co.uk
renegademaster
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It stopped at the south end . What happened excatly in the 2nd movement im not really sure since i went back in the train. All i saw was it passing on the road to the left (facing southbound), then it sitting a few hundred meters north of the loco on the same road as before when i got out about 10 minutes later.
Bertie the bus
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Thanks. I had a suspicion it might have done. I'm not going to speculate on something when I wasn't even there but stopping at the south end of P3 is an unusual thing to do if they had intended to run it to the north of the station due to a points failure.
paul1609
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The VT Mk2s are plain Mk2s sometimes referred to as Mk2z now I believe. Some Mk2 (z)s have already been converted to disc braked air stock for Glasgow push pull services. Mk2a to f were built as new with air clasp brakes.At the moment, this is correct. However, this report implies that these Mk2a vehicles will be fitted with dual-braking, possibly a first for Mk2 stock:
Steam locomotive changes at Vintage Trains as growth plans announced
Vintage Trains has today released an update on their current growth plans for 2024 and beyond.
12LDA28C
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At the moment, this is correct. However, this report implies that these Mk2a vehicles will be fitted with dual-braking, possibly a first for Mk2 stock:
Steam locomotive changes at Vintage Trains as growth plans announced
Vintage Trains has today released an update on their current growth plans for 2024 and beyond.
Yes indeed, although it is possible to fit CDL to vac-only stock as some operators have proved.
paul1609
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I dont think that its Vac Only thats the sticking point. Its Vac and steam heat only thats the problem because the electrical systems and batteries you get on those coaches are so weak.
renegademaster
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That run didnt happen until an hour after, i doubt it was decided immediately after the abortive initial attempt
Who?
The Swanage Railway’s class 117 and 121 DMUs, for a start.
Bletchleyite
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Those all have the "Chiltern" electromagnetic system which would physically fit fine to the WCRC Mk1s (they're the same doors) but the question exists of how to power it - DMU batteries are kept charged properly by the engines. They use an electromagnet fitted to the underframe under the door which connects to a piece of steel on the bottom of the door itself (I think it's that way round anyway) - you can see the extra bit of metal at the bottom of the door.
It might also need some changes in terms of how to deal with vehicles that presumably aren't in fixed formations.
12LDA28C
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'FLORA' doesn't have electromagnets at the bottom of the doors like the Chiltern units, it has a bolt system.
Bletchleyite
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Thanks, the Swanage unit definitely does, though. So is that another option for WCRC then?
62484GlenLyon
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That's because of the very tight clearances between Workington and Carlisle. The 108s used on the line prior to the Sprinters and Pacers all had window bars as well, at least from the mid 70s.
marsker
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How practical / difficult would it be to drive a modern alternator from another axle per coach and install a set of modern deep-cycle electric wheelchair type lead-batteries to power the electromagnets? Overnight the batteries could be connected to a 'shore' charger so every day is started fully charged.
That is because of the delay, not because it was formed of CDL fitted Mark 2s.
paul1609
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I dont think that its technically very difficult to fit cdl to the mk1 stock, the issue is getting the safety approval for acceptance on the mainline. This is tied in with the financial cost given that the Mk1s are also operating on a derogation on crash worthyness. Personally I think that most of the MK1 stock will be retired from the mainline with CDL fitted to some catering vehicles, Pullman Vehicles and possibly some brakes.
There’s no need to fit CDL to the catering vehicles. Non-passenger vehicles are outside the scope of the regulations.
paul1609
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My experience is with heritage raiways, dont the railtour companies have kitchen/ buffet vehicles that convey passengers?
Falcon1200
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Or simply have no operable doors in those vehicles (assuming that is allowed, if there are doors immediately available in adjacent coaches?)
Kitchen cars (usually converted from the Mk1 RU [Restaurant Unclassified] type) tend to have no passenger accommodation. WCRC do also have several Mk1 RMB (Restaurant Miniature Buffet) vehicles which do, of course, have passenger accomodation and would need CDL fitting.
railfan99
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Not trying to go OT, but wouldn't that be viewed as problematic given if coaches derailed and (partly?) tipped over, evacuation from such a kitchen car might be even more difficult?
12LDA28C
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As has been previously mentioned, other TOCs have successfully fitted CDL to Mk1 stock and also significantly improved the crashworthiness of that stock so I don't see why Mk1s should be retired as you suggest.