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Class 730 LNR & WMR Delivery/test Updates

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It’s been stated elsewhere in this thread that the 5 car sets use the long distance, wider, version of the seat, with more padding.
I agree - that's was the public message. My concern looking at the pictures (not corporate photos) of both seats from both sets is the only difference appears to be the three arm rests. Cushion looks identical in shape (inc seat base height, back thickness). We shall have to wait and see.
 
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I agree - that's was the public message. My concern looking at the pictures (not corporate photos) of both seats from both sets is the only difference appears to be the three arm rests. Cushion looks identical in shape (inc seat base height, back thickness). We shall have to wait and see.

The cushion width on all 350s is the same (though the 2+2 version has a bigger headrest). The base cushion is exactly the same (I've seen units with the wrong ones). But the armrests make a huge difference.
 

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I agree - that's was the public message. My concern looking at the pictures (not corporate photos) of both seats from both sets is the only difference appears to be the three arm rests. Cushion looks identical in shape (inc seat base height, back thickness). We shall have to wait and see.
Where did you find the pictures of the interiors of the 5 car units? Would quite like to see what it looks like.

730 start date on Walsall-Wolverhampton is on the 13th, according to a driver instructor who has received their diagram for that day (this is assuming that plans don’t change, though WMT must seem relatively confident to start rostering these services).

Initially it will be 2 730 diagrams, with the other 2 being 350s still for the time being. Expected that a subsequent unit will enter service every Sunday afterwards, assuming everything goes smoothly (it seems to have gone quite well for a new units on the soft launch out of Euston, so fingers crossed.

Are the 3 car 730s only going to be used for Wolverhampton-Walsall and Cross City line services? 48 units seems like too many if they are not going to be used on any other lines. When all of the 730s have entered service and the 350/2s are withdrawn I think there will be 524 carriages overall for the electrifed LNR/WMR network? I would like to see some 12 car 350s on the Euston - Birmingham services.
 

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Are the 3 car 730s only going to be used for Wolverhampton-Walsall and Cross City line services? 48 units seems like too many if they are not going to be used on any other lines. When all of the 730s have entered service and the 350/2s are withdrawn I think there will be 524 carriages overall for the electrifed LNR/WMR network? I would like to see some 12 car 350s on the Euston - Birmingham services.
It has been mentioned that they will also be used on Rugeley Trent Valley to Birmingham International, Crewe to Birmingham New Street via Stoke and Tame Bridge Parkway and Wolverhampton to Walsall via Darlaston services.
 

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I thought that was LNR?
And? It's the same company. Technically, the branding in the via Stoke stations is WMR not LNWR, but only Crewe sign that route which is LNWR depot.

Crewe Drivers sign 730s (training ongoing), conductors due to train soon.
 

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Where did you find the pictures of the interiors of the 5 car units? Would quite like to see what it looks like.
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Quite an old photo but they should all be roughly like this.
It has been mentioned that they will also be used on Rugeley Trent Valley to Birmingham International [...]
Sounds about right. IIRC the order change was enough 730s for 6 cars cross city and to kick the 350s off their WMR Chase Line duties.

[...] Crewe to Birmingham New Street via Stoke and Tame Bridge Parkway
Crewe already needs to know the 730s for London - Crewe so would make sense.
 

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Crewe already needs to know the 730s for London - Crewe so would make sense.
There’s not many 730/2s in the grand scheme of things. 10 are needed for Euston-Crewe, roughly 8 for Birmingham-Liverpool. And then it seems to have been said in this thread that they’re to be used in the Tring/MK stoppers (18 units), despite all WMT publicity stating they’ll be used on long distance services (maybe the peak 730 diagrams?)
 

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There’s not many 730/2s in the grand scheme of things. 10 are needed for Euston-Crewe, roughly 8 for Birmingham-Liverpool. And then it seems to have been said in this thread that they’re to be used in the Tring/MK stoppers (18 units), despite all WMT publicity stating they’ll be used on long distance services (maybe the peak 730 diagrams?)

The logic for using them on the Trings is that 5 car will be plenty for these off peak (particularly now they are semi fast) but all will need 10 peak. Whereas Birmingham is busy all day and wouldn't get by with 5.
 

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Crewe already needs to know the 730s for London - Crewe so would make sense.
Crewe need to know them for the Wolves-New St (Guards) and Wolves-Walsall (Drivers.

There is also a conversion course for the /2s so there are seperate courses anyway. Via Stoke should remain as 350s AFAIK anyway, especially as the original route (via Tame Bridge) is no more.
 

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Does anyone have any information about tomorrow's introduction between Wolverhampton and Walsall?
There's one working tomorrow empty from Soho to New Street 22-41 Birmingham Wolverhampton the full day turns start Tuesday with the 06-18 Wolverhampton Birmingham then 07-11 Birmingham Wolverhampton then the 07-48 Wolverhampton Walsall and so on
 

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And? It's the same company. Technically, the branding in the via Stoke stations is WMR not LNWR, but only Crewe sign that route which is LNWR depot.

Crewe Drivers sign 730s (training ongoing), conductors due to train soon.
If the stations are branded as WMR and will be operated by 730/0s then I think it would make more sense to show them as WMR services on the map, regardless of what drivers sign that route. Orange trains on orange lines and green trains on green lines.

There’s not many 730/2s in the grand scheme of things. 10 are needed for Euston-Crewe, roughly 8 for Birmingham-Liverpool. And then it seems to have been said in this thread that they’re to be used in the Tring/MK stoppers (18 units), despite all WMT publicity stating they’ll be used on long distance services (maybe the peak 730 diagrams?)
When the 730s were first ordered there were going to be 29 730/1s for the Tring/MK locals and 16 730/2 for the longer distance services. Now there will be 2 more units for longer distance services and 11 less units for the local trains. Was the order changed because trains are less busier at peak times since covid (more homeworking)?

The logic for using them on the Trings is that 5 car will be plenty for these off peak (particularly now they are semi fast) but all will need 10 peak. Whereas Birmingham is busy all day and wouldn't get by with 5.
I think 5 cars might be ok for the Tring services all day. When I travelled on them last year (Saturdays) they were not that busy during the peak times, and Mondays - Fridays there will be some 350 services during the peak periods. The MK services are busier and you would need 10 for them.
 

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Good to see their introduction on the Wolverhampton - Walsall line will be on Tuesday! Hopefully, I’ll be there at six in the morning, recording yet another video of it.
 

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Good to see their introduction on the Wolverhampton - Walsall line will be on Tuesday! Hopefully, I’ll be there at six in the morning, recording yet another video of it.
It won’t be on the Wolverhampton - Walsall line, it’ll be on the Stour for Wolves-New Street and the Chase for Birmingham-Walsall
 

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It won’t be on the Wolverhampton - Walsall line, it’ll be on the Stour for Wolves-New Street and the Chase for Birmingham-Walsall
That’s what I meant, the service that runs from Wolverhampton to Walsall via Birmingham New Street.
 

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That’s what I meant, the service that runs from Wolverhampton to Walsall via Birmingham New Street.
We all knew what you meant and any normal person would state the Wolves to Walsall line to describe that route. No-one in their right mind would describe it by saying the Stour line and the Chase line but some people in this hobby have well and truly mastered pedantry
 

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I think 5 cars might be ok for the Tring services all day. When I travelled on them last year (Saturdays) they were not that busy during the peak times, and Mondays - Fridays there will be some 350 services during the peak periods. The MK services are busier and you would need 10 for them.

5 cars on Trings would not be enough in peak times Tuesday to Thursday. Plus the Trings and MKs interwork all day.
 

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No one diagram Monday full day Tuesday
Just to be clear, the one on Monday does not carry passengers, right?

Edit: I may have misread that. It looks like the 22:41 from Birmingham New Street to Wolverhampton is a passenger service. The train then sits at Wolverhampton overnight before forming the 06:18 to Birmingham New Street.
 
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Where did you find the pictures of the interiors of the 5 car units?
One was taken through the window of a test train with the seat cover missing. I won't post it as it's not mine.

From a distance it looks not only to be the exact same design & backrest as on the orange ones - but also (looks like) the same narrow (43.5cm) seat base width, a concern mentioned further up the thread. The only difference appears to be the (albeit narrow) armrests.

The CGI picture above, in fairness looks identical to the finished product.
 

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There are two widths of that seat that look almost identical - 43.5cm and 45cm (the latter being the same as the 350s). The Greater Anglia 720s I believe use the narrower seat in the 3+2 bit and the wider one in the 2+2 bits by the cabs (why I don't know, perhaps that was originally specced for first class or something). Thus it could be the 45cm version but just not obvious to the naked eye, unless someone has actually measured it or seen some documentation.
 

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