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ASLEF Strike LNER & Northern 1st March
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Nothing communicated by the union as yet. Where have you heard that from?
Jamesrob637
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There's this, but no actual firm strike date at this stage:
www.independent.co.uk
"Train drivers at five rail operators have voted to continue taking strike action for six months in the long-running dispute over pay and conditions.
Aslef says its members on Chiltern, C2C, East Midlands, Northern and TransPennine railways had overwhelmingly backed carrying on with action, which began in July 2022."
Train strikes to continue for 6 more months as Aslef drivers vote to continue action
Aslef members on Chiltern, c2c, East Midlands, Northern and TransPennine overwhelmingly back more walkouts
www.independent.co.uk
"Train drivers at five rail operators have voted to continue taking strike action for six months in the long-running dispute over pay and conditions.
Aslef says its members on Chiltern, C2C, East Midlands, Northern and TransPennine railways had overwhelmingly backed carrying on with action, which began in July 2022."
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Okay thanks - nothing elsewhere as yet (albeit we’ve just reballoted as mentioned above).
ASLEF would need to get a wiggle on as it's
*Corrected as I forgot this is a leap year.
DanNCL
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Overheard talk that it’s specifically ‘bullying and intimidation’ at northern and ‘breaking of agreements’ at LNER that have triggered the latest strike.
Two questions. One, is what I’ve heard true? And two, if it is true, how on Earth is that covered under the pay dispute mandate?
Two questions. One, is what I’ve heard true? And two, if it is true, how on Earth is that covered under the pay dispute mandate?
IlkleyRunner
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The official press release is here
aslef.org.uk
ASLEF ANNOUNCES STRIKES ON LNER AND NORTHERN TRAINS | ASLEF
ASLEF, the train drivers’ trade union, has announced strikes and an overtime ban at two train companies – LNER and Northern – for their persistent failure to comply with existing agreements.
aslef.org.uk
DanNCL
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That press release confirms this is separate from the pay dispute.The official press release is here
ASLEF ANNOUNCES STRIKES ON LNER AND NORTHERN TRAINS | ASLEF
ASLEF, the train drivers’ trade union, has announced strikes and an overtime ban at two train companies – LNER and Northern – for their persistent failure to comply with existing agreements.
I’d like to know when the ballot on this was held and what the results were.
There's 2 separate ballots.There's this, but no actual firm strike date at this stage:
Train strikes to continue for 6 more months as Aslef drivers vote to continue action
Aslef members on Chiltern, c2c, East Midlands, Northern and TransPennine overwhelmingly back more walkouts
Train drivers at five rail operators have voted to continue taking strike action for six months in the long-running dispute over pay and conditions.
Aslef says its members on Chiltern, C2C, East Midlands, Northern and TransPennine railways had overwhelmingly backed carrying on with action, which began in July 2022.
This I believe is in relation to the pay dispute.
Northern and LNERs dispute on the 1st March is in regards to internal issues within the company.
YorkRailFan
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The official press release is here
ASLEF ANNOUNCES STRIKES ON LNER AND NORTHERN TRAINS | ASLEF
ASLEF, the train drivers’ trade union, has announced strikes and an overtime ban at two train companies – LNER and Northern – for their persistent failure to comply with existing agreements.
Quoted to comply with forum rules.
Train strikes to continue for 6 more months as Aslef drivers vote to continue action
Aslef members on Chiltern, c2c, East Midlands, Northern and TransPennine overwhelmingly back more walkouts
www.independent.co.uk
From an article by The Independent earlier today, doesn't actually say when the ballot was conducted.
Bantamzen
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Well at least that's made it easier to decide what to do for my birthday day out. Buses up to the Dales it is!
Jamesrob637
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Minimum 40% on these days or take the companies to power of attorney!
I may be missing something, but what is the relevance of "power of attorney" in these circumstances?
Jamesrob637
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Well, certainly make them reap what they sow. Attorney is American I appreciate. What was the point of 40% MSLA (Minimum Service Level Agreement), if nobody is going to follow it?
Power of attorney? What, do they lack capacity or something? Are they in hospital under sedation?
The way around the 40% rule is to strike for a longer period, as they threatened to do last time the 40% was threatened.
Because it's pointless legislation from a pointless Government that everyone, unions, management, and I suspect even the Government knows is totally unworkable and only there to attempt to score points.
Apparently the internal estimate at our TOC was given operational realities you'd need over 80% of drivers in to run 40% of trains which is to all intents and purposes actually banning the withdrawal of labour.
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What about 40% of drivers available? Could that equate to a basic service à la RMT strike days? Manchester Airport to Liverpool via Chat Moss every hour, plus some stuff around Leeds and Sheffield.
dk1
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They'll be a whole week of strike days if MSL gets mentioned again.
Why?
Both LNER and NORTHERN will not be following up the MSL as will only leave to an increased level of industrial action and further breakdown in relations between company and emoyer.
MSL is a pointless evolution where it does not work and escalates the issue.
Solution is to get back around the table and thrash it out like any normal human being would. Unfortunately the tories are held bent on bringing the country down to its knees as well as their own party
So you're suggesting some legal action to require MSLAs to be implemented?
So who is meant to take action against whom? (Government v the TOCs? Passengers v the TOCs? Passengers v the Government?)
Others have explained why the whole MSLA business is a political gesture rather than a practical option.
Snow1964
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I too can't see how it can be held under pay dispute mandate, if they are separate.
So unless there was another ballot, then presumably will be illegal action, so employees are at risk of employer sanctions and negative contributions to their employment record.
On the Northern ballot paper “failure to adhere to existing agreements” did appear alongside the pay dispute
TheEastAnglian
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It was on the ballot paper. So all legit
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Snow1964
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Without wishing to go off topic, news outlets are reporting that drivers of 5 operators voted to allow action for 6 more months
TheEastAnglian
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Our ballot closed yesterday (13th Feb) at 1000 after the first post, so our mandate for more action continues until about August/September before we get another round of ballots. The other 11 TOCs are about 8/9 weeks ahead in the process. The 6 month mandate for them will run out in about 4 months. Hopefully each TOC members get one more ballot before the General Election, if this isn't sorted out before hand.
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With which existing agreements have LNER and Northern failed to adhere?
Taken from the Aslef press release further up the thread:-
LNER - regarding London North Eastern Railway's abrogation of the diagramming and rostering agreements, and continued failure to adhere to the agreed bargaining machinery
dk1
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What on earth is wrong with the management at LNER? Both sides stick fully to agreements equals one happy ship. No need for this.
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