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Workington bridge closed? (29/02/2024)

chiltern trev

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There were two ECS moves today, each with three 156's tied together. Heaton to Preston and then Preston back to Heaton - over Shap. Units came down to Lancaster on the "normal" 07.10 ex Carlisle turn, and the replacements returned on the 13.19 ex Lancaster turn. Not too easy to explain why they went to and from Preston, just to keep them out of the way presumably?


Re Preston - suggested elsewhere that there is nowhere at Lancaster to put two six-car DMUs without occupying platform lines. Likewise Carnforth, where goods loop 2 is currently being used by trains to Barrow / Leeds because of problems with the points further north on the down main.
 
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The station at Workington is within the block section between Workington Main No.2 and Workington Main No.3 signal boxes. Since its absolute block, each line is only signalled in one direction.

Trains will be entering the down platform, and being allowed forward to signal 24 (which protects the bridge). They can then use the crossover (31 and 28 points) under the authority of shunt disc 34 to head to the up platform.

Here's a diagram that was within the 1984 resignalling of Workington Main No.2 signal box, its still quite accurate but much of the infastructure has been disconnected.
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I suppose one of the issues with the closure of the bridge is that it means Workington No.3 signal box needs to be staffed outside of its usual hours - its normally switched out in the early morning and late nights, and on Sundays!
Being within the block section isn't itself a barrier to having a signalled turnback move (e.g. Stockport platform 1 and Shrewsbury platform 3 both have signalled moves back out in the wrong direction, to passenger standards). You'd offer a train normally and then cancel it off again (3-5) when it's come back out. I'm surprised that there isn't at least a shunt move back out at the south end.

Shrewsbury platform 4 goes further – it's a bi-directional line worked by Absolute Block, with interlinked instruments so that a 'line clear' can only be given in one direction at a time, if I recall correctly.
 

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Nuclear flasks can find a alternative path but heaven forbid overnight move of a 156 from Workington to Carlisle via Barrow and Carnforth
Nuclear flasks, considering they contain radioactive material, are quite rightly a higher priority than an empty stock move.
 

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Being within the block section isn't itself a barrier to having a signalled turnback move (e.g. Stockport platform 1 and Shrewsbury platform 3 both have signalled moves back out in the wrong direction, to passenger standards). You'd offer a train normally and then cancel it off again (3-5) when it's come back out. I'm surprised that there isn't at least a shunt move back out at the south end.

Shrewsbury platform 4 goes further – it's a bi-directional line worked by Absolute Block, with interlinked instruments so that a 'line clear' can only be given in one direction at a time, if I recall correctly.
I was generalising, but yes you are fully correct there! The single line reception siding between the two boxes is worked under permissive block, with an arrangement where WN2 doesn’t need to send a line clear if WN3 is closed.

The crossover between the down & up at the Workington No.2 end is fitted with an FPL, so I suppose that if time was devoted to it, a signal could be provided or pilot working put in place to avoid the need to have No.3 open constantly.

The last service of the day terminates at Whitehaven and heads to Workington empty stock, which is probably due to the lack of a shunt move from the platform as you pointed out. Instead trains need to head into the reception siding, reverse to behind signals 41/-/43 and then head into the carriage sidings.

The layout of the area is reminiscent of the former industries around Workington. Workington No.3 has always been seen as the station box, and Workington No.2 now looks after much of the sidings and freight infrastructure. The station used to be fully within WN3’s station limits, with the home signal and limit of shunt at the start of the down platform, and the section signal at the end of the up platform, which could explain the lack of any turn back signalling.

In the 1984 resignalling Workington No.2 took over the roles of Workington No.1 and Derwent Hematite Iron Works boxes, now controlling the goods yards. With the closure of the steel and rail works, however, it’s practically just an up and down job all day.
 

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Tomnick

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I was generalising, but yes you are fully correct there! The single line reception siding between the two boxes is worked under permissive block, with an arrangement where WN2 doesn’t need to send a line clear if WN3 is closed.

The crossover between the down & up at the Workington No.2 end is fitted with an FPL, so I suppose that if time was devoted to it, a signal could be provided or pilot working put in place to avoid the need to have No.3 open constantly.

The last service of the day terminates at Whitehaven and heads to Workington empty stock, which is probably due to the lack of a shunt move from the platform as you pointed out. Instead trains need to head into the reception siding, reverse to behind signals 41/-/43 and then head into the carriage sidings.

The layout of the area is reminiscent of the former industries around Workington. Workington No.3 has always been seen as the station box, and Workington No.2 now looks after much of the sidings and freight infrastructure. The station used to be fully within WN3’s station limits, with the home signal and limit of shunt at the start of the down platform, and the section signal at the end of the up platform, which could explain the lack of any turn back signalling.

In the 1984 resignalling Workington No.2 took over the roles of Workington No.1 and Derwent Hematite Iron Works boxes, now controlling the goods yards. With the closure of the steel and rail works, however, it’s practically just an up and down job all day.
Fascinating stuff, thank you. It's an area that I don't know a lot about the history of, other than that there was a huge amount there that's not now!

Does No.2 need No.3's co-operation to shunt back into the Up platform, or can it be done with the latter switched out? I can't see any sort of slotting on the diagram. I'd assume that the first Up train of the day would shunt to depart from there?
 

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Update from Network Rail


Emergency anti-erosion work underway for Cumbrian viaduct​

Region & Route: North West & Central: North West
Passengers are being advised of urgent repair work on the railway viaduct over the River Derwent in Workington, Cumbria.

During a recent inspection, Network Rail’s engineers found that the base of two of the supporting pillars have started to erode. An unusually wet February resulted in fast flowing water along the river, which has damaged the pillar and riverbed.

These repairs, which are complex due to the overall environment, are necessary to prevent further deterioration of the pillars. Without intervention, this could cause the pillars to fail and, eventually, the viaduct to collapse. Network Rail has closed the viaduct to all rail services while engineers deliver the urgent repair work.

The work is expected to take at least six weeks. The river at this location is tidal, which means engineers can only safely carry out repair work when the tide is out.

Phil James, North West route director, said: “Climate change is often viewed as a future problem but it’s already causing more frequent and more severe extreme weather events. We are now seeing the impact with more issues like the erosion of this railway viaduct over the River Derwent.
“I’m really sorry that passengers travelling to and from Workington are inconvenienced while we carry out this emergency work. The repairs will take longer than usual as we are only able to work while the tide is out. Our engineers are currently on site with our contractors and work has already started on the repairs.”
During the work, no trains can pass over the viaduct. Passengers are advised to check https://www.northernrailway.co.uk/service-updates for the latest information.

Craig Harrop, regional director for Northern, said: “We have a rail replacement bus service in operation between Workington and Carlisle to ensure our customers can get to their destination whilst this essential work is completed. For live, real-time journey updates, visit journeycheck.com/northern or message our team @northernassist on X, formerly Twitter.”
 

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Update from Network Rail


Emergency anti-erosion work underway for Cumbrian viaduct​

Region & Route: North West & Central: North West
Passengers are being advised of urgent repair work on the railway viaduct over the River Derwent in Workington, Cumbria.

During a recent inspection, Network Rail’s engineers found that the base of two of the supporting pillars have started to erode. An unusually wet February resulted in fast flowing water along the river, which has damaged the pillar and riverbed.

These repairs, which are complex due to the overall environment, are necessary to prevent further deterioration of the pillars. Without intervention, this could cause the pillars to fail and, eventually, the viaduct to collapse. Network Rail has closed the viaduct to all rail services while engineers deliver the urgent repair work.

The work is expected to take at least six weeks. The river at this location is tidal, which means engineers can only safely carry out repair work when the tide is out.


During the work, no trains can pass over the viaduct. Passengers are advised to check https://www.northernrailway.co.uk/service-updates for the latest information.
When I lived in Workington from 1955-59 I was told that the Derwent is the fastest flowing river in England, but if tidal here, that will slow the speed under the bridge but more likely to cause scouring around piers by flowing both ways twice a day.
 

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To be fair the article doesn't mention such shuttles, but for me it's the complete omertà from Northern/Network Rail at this simple and common-sense shuttle idea, which is the most concerning.
I had to look up one of those words to understand your post. Now if there were a "Like" button I could indeed AGREE!
 

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Carlisle to Maryport shuttles too difficult then - unbelievable!
With services from the south terminating at Workington it requires Workington no. 3 box to be open from first until last train to allow the units to be shunted from platform to platform.
They have had to use signallers from Maryport to operate no.3 as it is not normally open all day, hence the inability to run a shuttle to Carlisle.
 

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They have had to use signallers from Maryport to operate no.3 as it is not normally open all day, hence the inability to run a shuttle to Carlisle.
Theoretically it could be possible to have No.2 switched out (albeit without access to the Carriage Sidings), and store units overnight inside the station at Workington and the bay at Bransty. Units could be serviced during their break at Barrow station or No.2 briefly switched in throughout the day to access the facilities in the carriage sidings. That being said, both of those options are quite impractical!

A shuttle between Wigton could be an option, reversing at the crossover just South of the station. That being said, there is little demand from the stations in the Northern section of the line other than Whitehaven, Workington and Maryport. A Dalston shuttle could also be possible, especially around school sttart/end times where there's a fair demand from Caldew School students. Trains could be turned using the crossovers normally used by the oil trains.

Does No.2 need No.3's co-operation to shunt back into the Up platform, or can it be done with the latter switched out? I can't see any sort of slotting on the diagram. I'd assume that the first Up train of the day would shunt to depart from there?
There is no way to head into the up platform without the co-operation of WN3 or Maryport Station boxes. The first up train of the day normally goes from Maryport. It heads out of the carriage sidings as the 05:25 5C36 and reverses behind 42 signal towards Maryport. It then forms 2C36, the 05:48 from Maryport to Barrow.
 

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You’d possibly be able to get away with two and still be able to stick to the timetable, but I don’t know if there would be spare crew. I know they change at Workington, and cover up to Carlisle and down to Barrow, so it may be they need them to run the southern part of the service.
The Cumbrian units are all based at Heaton and cycle via Carlisle. The first two southbound trains are stabled at Carlisle with Workington crew going in a taxi to start the service. Some Workington crew work through from Carlisle to Barrow or vice versa so the crew diagrams would need to be altered. Another challenge will be getting the units south of the block to depot for exams. They will have to go to Newton Heath.
 

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Wouldn’t it be easier for them to get to Neville Hill?
The only way out is via Lancaster and Preston. Manchester is closer to Preston than Leeds. That said, when the Tyne Valley was shut for weeks after the derailment, I think there were some ECS moves to get units to and from Heaton. However, lots of Newton Heath 156s worked the Cumbrian coast during that time.
 

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The only way out is via Lancaster and Preston. Manchester is closer to Preston than Leeds. That said, when the Tyne Valley was shut for weeks after the derailment, I think there were some ECS moves to get units to and from Heaton. However, lots of Newton Heath 156s worked the Cumbrian coast during that time.
Barrow to Carnforth, reverse to Settle Jct then carry on to Leeds. Most of the route is deathly quiet (at least to Skipton). No struggling across Manchester or slowing down the WCML. If necessary, move a couple of fitters temporarily.
 

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One of the things that this closure does highlight is the huge number of different classes of traction that can/can't be operated/maintained by particular depots. Had we had a "standard" class of DMU it'd make things a whole lot easier in dealing with situations like this.
 

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Wouldn’t it be easier for them to get to Neville Hill?
Last Tuesday the first three 156 units fresh off maintenance were sent from Heaton to Preston via Carlisle and the WCML, with the first three that needed exams sent back shortly after via the same route. Probably a ROG move? Also 156463 has now appeared on the Cumbrian Coast after initially going to Neville Hill first, ECS from Heaton. This is a fairly common move for tyre turning. At the moment nine 156's are running the service, eight Heaton based units plus one Newton Heath 156.
 
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Barrow to Carnforth, reverse to Settle Jct then carry on to Leeds. Most of the route is deathly quiet (at least to Skipton). No struggling across Manchester or slowing down the WCML. If necessary, move a couple of fitters temporarily.
Fair point, but do any drivers that sign the Bentham line also sign 156s? As pointed out above, Neville Hill doesn't do much on 156s any more. When the Tyne was shut after the derailment, the units mainly went to and from Newton Heath.
 

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I’m on the 09:52 Workington - Barrow, and the guard has just been chatting with the one of the other passengers about the situation. He has stated that Northern are hoping to be able to run Maryport - Carlisle shuttles from next week subject to staffing. Might be wibble, might be telling folk what they want to hear, would be nice if it happened - my travels are via Barrow currently, so taking an hour or so longer than normal at least, although that still beats the RRB!
 

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Are you saying that the 0553 and 0619 early morning departures from Carlisle to Barrow-in-Furness are operated by Workington crew? And the 2317 arrival at Carlisle from Whitehaven (when it's actually running).

Yes. Workington crew using taxis.

A drop in the ocean in the general scheme of things, but a one-way taxi fare from Carlisle to Workington (or vice-versa) has to be ballpark £75 for each individual trip.
 

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I’m on the 09:52 Workington - Barrow, and the guard has just been chatting with the one of the other passengers about the situation. He has stated that Northern are hoping to be able to run Maryport - Carlisle shuttles from next week subject to staffing. Might be wibble, might be telling folk what they want to hear, would be nice if it happened - my travels are via Barrow currently, so taking an hour or so longer than normal at least, although that still beats the RRB!

Guard was correct. You should be able to see timings in journey planners now for Maryport - Carlisle shuttles next week.
 

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