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Trivia: Biggest date gap between openings of two stations with a direct service

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So, i was at Reading Green Park (opened 2023) yesterday, there is a direct service from here to Basingstoke which i went to next (opened 1839) so a 184 gap between the opening of the two stations. I wonder what is the biggest date of openings gap between two stations which have a direct service?
 
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There's apparently one train a day, on Saturdays and Sundays only, which calls at both East Linton and Newton-le-Willows. If Wikipedia is to be believed, the former opened in 2023 and the latter in 1830. Can't immediately think of anything likely to beat that but I'm sure I'll be proven wrong.
 

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So, i was at Reading Green Park (opened 2023) yesterday, there is a direct service from here to Basingstoke which i went to next (opened 1839) so a 184 gap between the opening of the two stations. I wonder what is the biggest date of openings gap between two stations which have a direct service?
Salford Central - 29 May 1838 to Headbolt Lane - 5 October 2023 is 185 years, 4 months, 6 days.
There's apparently one train a day, on Saturdays and Sundays only, which calls at both East Linton and Newton-le-Willows. If Wikipedia is to be believed, the former opened in 2023 and the latter in 1830. Can't immediately think of anything likely to beat that but I'm sure I'll be proven wrong.
Wikipedia states that the line through Newton-le-Willows opened in 1830, the station was built in 1845
 

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Wikipedia states that the line through Newton-le-Willows opened in 1830, the station was built in 1845
You're right, it does say that. But it also says on the right-hand side under "Key dates" that it opened in 1830...

Moral of the story: don't trust Wikipedia, I suppose!
 

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I think that the footprint of Canterbury West overlaps with the original Canterbury & Whitstable Railway station (1830). With Thanet Parkway opening last year that would be 193 years.
 

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You're right, it does say that. But it also says on the right-hand side under "Key dates" that it opened in 1830...

Moral of the story: don't trust Wikipedia, I suppose!
Michael Quick (RCHS RAILWAY PASSENGER STATIONS IN GREAT BRITAIN. A CHRONOLOGY) gives an opening date for the line of 17 September 1830, and for the station (i.e. Newton-le-Willows, which was Newton Bridge until 1888) 1 January 1831.

Perhaps the basis for coming up with an answer to this question is what are the still open stations that go back to the early 1830s? And which new stations have direct services to them?
 

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Heighington and North Road were opened in 1825....but with the mothballing of British Steel Redcar, they won't be in with a chance.
 

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Do re-openings count or only entirely new stations? If not, then a lot of 'new' stations aren't actually new - for example East Linton mentioned above, though it's not on entirely the same site.
 

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Depending on when HS2 opens, will Old Oak and Curzon Street be in with a shout in due course?
 

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Depending on when HS2 opens, will Old Oak and Curzon Street be in with a shout in due course?
Liverpool Lime Street (assuming HS2 trains go there, which they probably will) dates back to 15 August 1836, so to beat Salford Central - Headbolt Lane, HS2 will need to open on or after
21st of December 2021, which has already passed.


Personally I don't think Canterbury West should count due to the significant period of closure, and Salford Central - Headbolt Lane might not be the shortest already existing.
 

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How about Edge Hill (15 September 1830) to Warrington West (16 December 2019) - that's 189 years, 3 months, 1 day.
 

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Edge Hill opened in 1836, the first Edge Hill station is a different one to the current one.
So assuming it is completed and Liverpool - Blackpools stop at both, Edge Hill to Cottam Parkway should be in the running - presumably at least 189 years.
 

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Heighington and North Road were opened in 1825....but with the mothballing of British Steel Redcar, they won't be in with a chance.
But if Ben Houchen get Re-elected, there every chance he will build a new station at Teesside Park. But, having said that, once Darlington station is re-developed, there may not be a direct link.
 

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Do re-openings count or only entirely new stations? If not, then a lot of 'new' stations aren't actually new - for example East Linton mentioned above, though it's not on entirely the same site.
I believe the new East Linton is on a completely different site from the old one.
 

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I believe the new East Linton is on a completely different site from the old one.
Yes, it's a new site. But it's not really that far from the old one. Hence why the question of if re-openings count, and if a re-opening 250m away from the original site counts as well.

How much of a move makes it a completely different station?
 

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Well clearly Canterbury C&W/West didn’t pass muster. :frown:
Canterbury C&W station was situated in North Lane about 300 yards east of the present Canterbury West station. It closed to passengers in 1846 when the present Canterbury West station was opened. The site became the goods yard until complete closure around 1990 when much of the land was sold for housing with Station Road West extended across the site. The only remnant of the original station was "possibly" the station house which latterly became a weighbridge.
 

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Canterbury C&W station was situated in North Lane about 300 yards east of the present Canterbury West station. It closed to passengers in 1846 when the present Canterbury West station was opened. The site became the goods yard until complete closure around 1990 when much of the land was sold for housing with Station Road West extended across the site. The only remnant of the original station was "possibly" the station house which latterly became a weighbridge.
Precisely. The old C&W site was treated as part of the 'new' West station (obviously there was no other station in Canterbury initially). Besides the supposed station house I am pretty sure that the goods shed was also regarded as a C&W original and was, I believe, listed in the mid-1980s on the strength of that when BR was going to demolish it to enlarge the car park. The Station Master at Canterbury was responsible for the whole complex. Even into the 1980s, when the goods yard was reduced to occasional spot loads of seasonal rock salt and the odd ferry van of imported equipment for children (cots and prams from Czechoslovakia or somewhere like that) I can remember that the West booking clerk had the job of dealing with the 'five copy' wagon documentation - a very niche role. The goods shed is very close to the current main station building.

I would still contest that Canterbury West effectively took on the mantle of the C&W facility seamlessly in the same way that stations like Bristol Temple Meads or Perth have been 'reorientated' over the decades or stations like Birmingham New Street have entirely different access roads from what might have been there originally.
 

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