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Great day for South London. Not only do Palace beat moneybags, but more importantly for me, AFC Wimbledon reach the League 2 play-off final. We'll take on Walsall on Bank Holiday Monday.
 
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Really pleased for Crystal Palace winning the FA Cup today. Myself I'm a Leicester fan, so it's fantastic feeling beating the bigger team (we beat Chelsea in 2021).
 
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Loppylugs said:
Great day for South London. Not only do Palace beat moneybags, but more importantly for me, AFC Wimbledon reach the League 2 play-off final. We'll take on Walsall on Bank Holiday Monday.
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Maybe it's the turn of the South East to shine, Crystal Palace winning the FA Cup .Whitstable the FA Vase ,AFC Wimbledon in the League 2 playoff and Charlton Athletic in the League 1 playoff final !
 
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Wilts Wanderer said:
Palace’s goalkeeper Henderson (who, to be fair, was lucky to still be on the pitch at half-time after some really duff work from VAR.)
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VAR's decision was whether it was or wasn't an "obvious goalscoring opportunity" when Henderson handled the ball, and they decided it wasn't because the ball was heading away from the goal and there were potential covering defenders. Given how Haaland was stretching to reach the ball at that point, I think they probably got it right.

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Really pleased for Crystal Palace winning the FA Cup today.
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Me too, and I think that goes for most football fans across the country. Even those who have a rivalry with Palace can recognise what it means for a club and their fans to win their first major trophy and qualify for European competition for the first time.
 
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Acey said:
Maybe it's the turn of the South East to shine, Crystal Palace winning the FA Cup .Whitstable the FA Vase ,AFC Wimbledon in the League 2 playoff and Charlton Athletic in the League 1 playoff final !
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I’d back both AFC and Charlton to go up in those games. AFC’s team is absolutely built for playoff games, it’s extremely resilient.
 
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Haywain said:
VAR's decision was whether it was or wasn't an "obvious goalscoring opportunity" when Henderson handled the ball, and they decided it wasn't because the ball was heading away from the goal and there were potential covering defenders. Given how Haaland was stretching to reach the ball at that point, I think they probably got it right.
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I’ve got no skin in this game, and couldn’t care either way about the result, but the VAR’s decision and the subsequent justification are in my opinion nonsense.

The only reason the ball was heading significantly away from goal was as a result of the goalkeeper handling it. Without that touch, Haaland goes past him, and one of the best strikers in the world has a free shot from the edge of the box with no covering defender able to challenge him.

Is that not a “clear goal scoring opportunity”?

I suspect what actually happened was that the VAR bottled it
 
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Is that not a “clear goal scoring opportunity”?
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First, the crucial word is obvious and it wasn't judged to be. There's an element of opinion in that so not everyone will agree. Second, the presence of other defenders affects that as well.

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I suspect what actually happened was that the VAR bottled it
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The on field officials didn't spot the handball by Henderson, but VAR can only decide on penalties and red card offences. As it was outside the box it could not be a penalty, so it was down to a red card which would only be given for a 'DOGSO' offence and they didn't feel that high bar had been reached. We know the decision but we don't know how Attwell had interpreted the course of the ball which was likely to affect the VAR decision.
 
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AlterEgo said:
AFC’s team is absolutely built for playoff games, it’s extremely resilient.
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Our problem, as with most lower league clubs, is that we have a few loanees. End of season we lose them and have to look elsewhere. Goalkeeper Owen Goodman is getting rave reviews and he is on loan from.....Crystal Palace!!
 
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First, the crucial word is obvious and it wasn't judged to be. There's an element of opinion in that so not everyone will agree. Second, the presence of other defenders affects that as well.


The on field officials didn't spot the handball by Henderson, but VAR can only decide on penalties and red card offences. As it was outside the box it could not be a penalty, so it was down to a red card which would only be given for a 'DOGSO' offence and they didn't feel that high bar had been reached. We know the decision but we don't know how Attwell had interpreted the course of the ball which was likely to affect the VAR decision.
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Of course it was an obvious goalscoring opportunity. Haaland had the ball pretty close to his body under control and was clearly about to shoot at the empty net. The ‘covering defender’ was nowhere near the right place to block a shot from that position. I agree that the VAR official bottled it - probably afraid of being accused of ruining the spectacle if they were adjudged as having got it wrong.

Think about it the other way around, if the on-field team had stopped play and issued a red card, would it have felt completely wrong?

All that being said I’m glad Palace won the cup and it was a pretty entertaining game overall. The City penalty was suspect IMO, as one angle clearly shows Mitchell’s toe deflecting the trajectory of the ball slightly just before he took the legs of the attacking player.
 
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Wilts Wanderer said:
Of course it was an obvious goalscoring opportunity. Haaland had the ball pretty close to his body under control
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Hmm! He would have had to take that on his toe to control it, and gone wider than his initial trajectory, even if Henderson hadn’t put his hand out.

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and was clearly about to shoot at the empty net. The ‘covering defender’ was nowhere near the right place to block a shot from that position.
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Defender would have been in place because Haaland would have had to take a touch and still go wide. You don’t judge the play on whether the goalkeeper is literally invisible or a ghost, but only if the goalkeeper took a lawful action instead of an unlawful one. Haaland still has to go wide. The laws do not account for player ability so an obvious goal scoring opportunity is the same definition whether it’s me taking that ball or Haaland.

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I agree that the VAR official bottled it - probably afraid of being accused of ruining the spectacle if they were adjudged as having got it wrong.

Think about it the other way around, if the on-field team had stopped play and issued a red card, would it have felt completely wrong?
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It would have been something which would be hotly debated still! I agree this wasn’t a clear cut case but rather an edge one and I can see why VAR made that call.
 
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A notable lack of class from Pep Guardiola at the end there, directing some unpleasantness towards Palace’s goalkeeper Henderson (who, to be fair, was lucky to still be on the pitch at half-time after some really duff work from VAR.) Overhyped prima-donna manager, who seems not to realise his winning days are over.
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Guardiola has form for that. Not the first time he has spoken to opposition players like that at full time. Very strange individual…
 
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Guardiola has form for that. Not the first time he has spoken to opposition players like that at full time. Very strange individual…
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My missus and I were talking about him last night, and we both think he’s not a well man
 
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A shame tomorrows all English final not being shown on terrestrial tv.
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I guess none of the terrestrial broadcasters are willing to stump up what Discovery want. ITV felt it worthwhile enough to simulcast Sky’s coverage of the League Cup final.
I don’t know if it’s one of the conditions for the broadcast rights, but the finals have been free to air for a while. They used to be on YouTube in the BT Sports era, now you’ll need a free account on Discovery+.
 
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They used to be on YouTube in the BT Sports era, now you’ll need a free account on Discovery+.
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It's as simple as registering on Discovery+. What's more all 3 UEFA finals are available this way. Admittedly a bit of a shame if you don't have a smart TV though you could always hook up a laptop. I'm a little surprised this free coverage isn't better publicised.
 
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Southampton are looking at appointing Will Still, who is leaving Lens to return to the UK. I think Southampton Will Still be in the Championship after next season though, so wonder whether Will Still will still commit to the job:

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Will Still: Southampton identify Englishman as leading candidate for manager vacancy

Southampton identify Lens manager Will Still as their leading candidate for the vacant position at St Mary's Stadium.
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Southampton have identified Lens manager Will Still as their leading candidate for the vacant position at St Mary's Stadium.

The 32-year-old, born in Belgium to English parents, announced last weekend he is leaving French side Lens to move back to the UK.

The move is complicated by negotiations that need to take place to free Still from his contract at the Ligue 1 club, which runs until 2027, as Lens could be due compensation.

In March, his partner Emma Saunders, a presenter on Sky Sports who previously worked for BBC Sport, said she was recovering from encephalitis, an infection of the brain.

"For multiple reasons, the main reason behind my decision is that I need to go back home," Still told reporters on Saturday.

Still would be a permanent replacement for Ivan Juric, who was sacked in April after the club were relegated from the Premier League with a record seven games left to play.

The Englishman built his football career in Belgium at Lierse and Beershot before moving to France, where he became the youngest coach in Europe's top five leagues when he was appointed by Reims, aged 30, in October 2022.

He joined Lens on a three-year deal in June and led them to an eighth-place finish in Ligue 1. His brothers Nicolas and Edward, who are assistants at Lens.

Lens have yet to confirm Still's departure. BBC Sport has contacted the club for comment.

Southampton were previously tipped with a move for Sheffield Wednesday manager Danny Rohl but the compensation package to move to a club within the same division is thought to be too expensive.
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Tottenham Hotspuds 1 v Manure 0 in the UEFA cup ( two bald men fighting over a comb yet earning a champions league place)


Both sides here were bang average, full of not very good players and just very meh. This, Manchester United fans, is what football is like for the rest of us. Where is your Solskjær now eh?
 
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Tottenham Hotspur have won a pretty low quality Europa League final 1-0 against Manchester United in Bilbao after a goal from Brennan Johnson
 
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Abysmal match. So little quality on show. Postecoglou has saved his job for now though Amorim is probably safe for a while anyway. One minor plus point: McCoist was less hysterical than usual, thankfully he's not doing the Conference final next week.
 
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