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Unfortunately I wouldn’t be so sure that the bet is unwise. Prolonging the Kent State analogy, while the murders (*) had a strong impact on the youth and the left at large, and on intellectual and cultural circles, they did not hamper Nixon politically. After all he was very comfortably re-elected in 1972. I suspect that a good many electors thought that these student-hippies with strong body odour got what they deserved. And the grave social unrest that the USA experienced during the 1960s was a factor in Nixon’s 1969 victory (as well as an anti-civil rights backslash).

If the anti-ICE protests turn ugly, I fear that the petty spirit of the Trump elector will show again.

I know I’m dark and cynical, but these are the times we are dealing with.


(*) I know that they have never been characterised as such in court but I’ll call them for what they were

Hard to understand why Nixon was re-elected in 1972. A vile, revolting man, for many reasons, which I don't want to go into here; second only to Trump in the league of worst presidents since WWII. I guess the Nixon supporters of the early 70s were the same kind of people as the Trump supporters today.
You think of the late 60s and early 70s as a liberal time - a time of anti-war protests and the peace movement - but I guess that was mostly the younger generation, and older voters trended more right-wing, supporting the Vietnam War from their armchairs without having to engage in it.
 
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And now, in Minnesota, we're getting the assassination of Democrat politicians in targeted attacks.


A Minnesota state lawmaker and her husband were shot and killed in their home early on Saturday morning in what Governor Tim Walz called a "act of targeted political violence".

Walz said House Speaker Emerita Melissa Hortman, a Democrat, and her husband were killed.

State Senator John Hoffman, also a Democrat, and his wife were targeted in their home as well in a separate shooting. They were shot multiple times and are out of surgery, Walz said at a news conference. He said he was "cautiously optimistic" they will survive.

Walz said the targeted shootings occurred in Brooklyn Park and Champlin, neighbouring cities to Minneapolis. A manhunt is underway for a suspect.

Brooklyn Park Police Chief Mark Ruley said a suspect was impersonating a police officer.
 

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A quick search suggests several sources put Trump at only the third or fourth worst president. However, as usual with these things, it depends on how it is counted. I'd argue that it should be assessed on the impact of their actions as well as how objectively bad those actions were, in which case I suggest Trump would outweigh 19-century figures like James Buchanan or Andrew Jackson, simply because the country wasn't as powerful or influential.

I'm not old enough to remember much about Nixon, but to me W Bush was the worst president before Trump.
 

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And now, in Minnesota, we're getting the assassination of Democrat politicians in targeted attacks.

We should be watching to see how Trump reacts to this. Will he send out a clear message as to just how unacceptable this is or will he just put out a few weasel words on Truth? And even if he doesn’t react too badly one may fear that some of his close supporters will: is he going to slap them down hard or just drip out a few token criticisms of their behaviour?
 

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Do Americans approve of Donald Trump.png
The picture above shows two graphs, one showing how many Americans approve of Donald Trump in percentage points and how many Americans disapprove of Donald Trump in percentage points.
The line for approve has dropped from a high of 56.0% at the start (20th January 2025) to a current (new low) level of 44.1% as at 12th June 2025.
The line for disapprove has risen from a low of 39.0% at the start (20th January 2025) to a current level of 51.8% as at 12th June 2025.
 

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We should be watching to see how Trump reacts to this. Will he send out a clear message as to just how unacceptable this is or will he just put out a few weasel words on Truth? And even if he doesn’t react too badly one may fear that some of his close supporters will: is he going to slap them down hard or just drip out a few token criticisms of their behaviour?
I wouldn't rule out him pardoning the assassin should they be found guilty in court, given he pardoned all the Jan 6th convicts and more recently a Sheriff who happened to be a Trump supporter.


US President Donald Trump has issued a pardon to a former Virginia sheriff who was convicted on fraud and bribery charges.

A jury found former Culpeper County Sheriff Scott Jenkins guilty of accepting more than $75,000 (£55,000) in bribes last December, in exchange for making several businessmen into law enforcement officers without them being trained.
Jenkins, a long-time supporter of Trump, was sentenced in March to 10 years in prison. He was set to report to jail on Tuesday, but due to Trump's pardon, he will not spend a single day behind bars.
"Sheriff Scott Jenkins, his wife Patricia, and their family have been dragged through HELL," Trump wrote in a post on his Truth Social network.
Trump said Jenkins was the "victim of an overzealous Biden Department of Justice". The judge who presided over Jenkins's case, Robert Ballou, was appointed by former President Joe Biden, but it was a jury trial.
Trump called Jenkins a "wonderful person" who was persecuted by "Radical Left monsters" and "left for dead".
Jenkins was found guilty of one count of conspiracy, four counts of honest services fraud and seven counts of bribery concerning programmes receiving federal funds.
Prosecutors said he accepted bribes from eight people, including two undercover FBI agents. These were in the form of cash and campaign contributions. Jenkins's position was an elected one.
The men who bribed Jenkins paid for auxiliary deputy sheriff positions so they could avoid traffic tickets and carry concealed firearms without a permit, the prosecutors said.
Although auxiliary deputy sheriffs are volunteer positions, they can have law-enforcement powers equivalent to those of paid officers.
Trump said Jenkins tried to offer evidence in his defence, but Judge Ballou "refused to allow it, shut him down, and then went on a tirade".
The acting US attorney for Virginia said at the time of Jenkins's sentencing that the ex-sheriff violated his oath of office. He said the case proved that officials who used their positions for "unjust personal enrichment" would be held accountable.
But Jenkins appealed to Trump for help after his conviction.
"I believe if he heard the information, I know he would help if he knew my story," he reportedly said in April on a webinar hosted by the Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association.
Jenkins was elected sheriff of Culpeper County in 2011 and took office in January 2012. He was re-elected in 2015 and 2019.
The former policeman is the latest in a long line of Trump supporters to receive a pardon.
In January, the president issued almost 1,600 pardons or commutations to people charged over the 2021 US Capitol riots.
The US Constitution says that a president has the "power to grant reprieves and pardons for offences against the United States, except in cases of impeachment".
A pardon represents legal forgiveness, ends any further punishment and restores rights such as being able to vote or run for public office.
 

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I wouldn't rule out him pardoning the assassin should they be found guilty in court, given he pardoned all the Jan 6th convicts and more recently a Sheriff who happened to be a Trump supporter.

As much as I think Trump is a scumbag and will pardon people for political reasons; I don't genuinely believe he'll pardon a murderer purely on the basis of their political allegiance. The closest he's got to that previously has been pardoning two police officers found guilty of killing a suspect, but that's clear very different. He might look and sound stupid, but he's not that stupid.
 

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As much as I think Trump is a scumbag and will pardon people for political reasons; I don't genuinely believe he'll pardon a murderer purely on the basis of their political allegiance. The closest he's got to that previously has been pardoning two police officers found guilty of killing a suspect, but that's clear very different. He might look and sound stupid, but he's not that stupid.
I wish I shared your confidence about that.
 

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I wish I shared your confidence about that.
I think people need to realise that the likes of Trump, Johnson, Farage etc are not as dumb as they look. Part of it is an act, and they're supported by teams of advisors who temper their bonkers views.

Trump won't pardon this murderer because he's not actually that dumb, and he will have advisors around him telling him how bad an idea it would be to do so.

Even Farage etc in the UK have criticised political killings. You've got to go full Putin mode to start excusing them, and the western world just isn't geared up for that (yet).
 

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I think people need to realise that the likes of Trump, Johnson, Farage etc are not as dumb as they look. Part of it is an act, and they're supported by teams of advisors who temper their bonkers views.

Trump won't pardon this murderer because he's not actually that dumb, and he will have advisors around him telling him how bad an idea it would be to do so.

Even Farage etc in the UK have criticised political killings. You've got to go full Putin mode to start excusing them, and the western world just isn't geared up for that (yet).

He probably won’t pardon him, but he’ll do all kinds of somersaults to blame it on Antifa/Biden/add in various scapegoats as necessary.

I don’t share the opinion that he’s not dumb. He’s good at one thing and that’s marketing himself.
Everything else he touches just seems to go incredibly badly.
 

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Just in case there was any doubt about the current US administration's allegiance to Russia, this post contains stripes akin to the Russian flag within it:


Happy Flag Day! Let us honor the emblem of our nation and the stars and stripes that unite us all. As we display our nations flag and reflect on the values it represents, let’s celebrate the freedom, courage and resilience that makes our country great.

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(Image with "Flag Day" and US flag, as well as the US Department of defense logo, with three stars and red, blue and white stripes either side similar to the Russian flag)
 

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I think people need to realise that the likes of Trump, Johnson, Farage etc are not as dumb as they look. Part of it is an act, and they're supported by teams of advisors who temper their bonkers views.
Going to disagree. Trump is likely as dumb as he appears.

He has been shown on a number of occasions to be barely literate, he is intellectually incurious and almost completely ineducable. You are correct that his actions and pronouncements are to a major degree thanks to his advisors, but I firmly believe that it's more the case that they put the ideas into his head, rather than temper his words.
 

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Clinton’s misjudgements (he stroked but didn’t impale) are not a great legacy either.
 

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Clinton’s misjudgements (he stroked but didn’t impale) are not a great legacy either.
Getting off with an intern/secretary is a rather effective way of making people forget all your bad policies - I can think of quite a few past/present world leaders who, if they had some form of affair, would make everyone forget the other stuff they got up to in office.
 

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This isn't AI-generated, is it? It looks like the kind of blooper that is too silly for even Trump to make.
It's on their official Twitter so even if it was AI generated someone had to approve it and post it.
 

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With regard to #1,504, Trump has not distinguished himself with regard to comments on the murders. Something like this needs a clear and unambiguous statement that such things are not acceptable in a democracy, not a vague comment indistinguishable from one made about some once popular film star who has died at ninety and a few anodyne words from B*llsh*t Barbie. I don’t think that that Trump is actually mentally siding with the perpetrator in the belief that he is MAGA-inclined as Trump is willing to use and dump anyone for his own ends. Nor is it primarily because they were Democrats. It is just that he really doesn’t care about protecting democracy and was more taken up with trying to outdo Kim Jong Un by having the bigliest birthday parade ever.
 

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I enjoyed watching American soldiers trying to march during thier parade. I am sure the Grenadier Guards would have been in step! Hell, I am sure the County Durham air cadets that I was part of would have done better!
 

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I'm unsure if it is the organisation itself, or simply Trump being much more liberal with (mis)using executive orders.
The reputation of ICE has been dire for quite some time. Trump I and in particular Trump II have simply poured gasoline on the fire.
I would suggest that in future, an amendment to either limit or provide more congressional checks and balance on the executive power of the president may be a useful thing for the US to consider.
Indeed! It's a strange oversight of the original drafters to have given the Presidency such unchecked power. You'd have thought they, fighting against the tyranny of an absolute monarch with unchecked power, would have a keen understanding of the importance of ensuring that a government has sufficient checks and balances against each branch and that they should be treated, ideally, as co-equal branches so that one branch (and in particular the presidency) cannot run away with power. Very strange omission! ;)
Hard to understand why Nixon was re-elected in 1972. A vile, revolting man, for many reasons, which I don't want to go into here; second only to Trump in the league of worst presidents since WWII. I guess the Nixon supporters of the early 70s were the same kind of people as the Trump supporters today.
He wasn't without his achievements however. Title IX (helping to end gender bias in Federally funded education and activities), the foundation of the Environmental Protection Agency, the ratification of the 26th Amendment (lowering the voting age to 18), provided Federal funding to start looking for cancer treatments in a serious organised way, ended the draft after Vietnam, opened relations with the People's Republic of China, and helped pursue the policy of Détente with the Soviet Union with the SALT 1 treaty (preventing the further growth of strategic nuclear weapons) perhaps being the main achievement.

Not to excuse him, but it's simplistic to suggest that his legacy is entirely bad and I'm far from convinced he's anywhere near Trump in terms of "worst presidents".
You think of the late 60s and early 70s as a liberal time - a time of anti-war protests and the peace movement - but I guess that was mostly the younger generation, and older voters trended more right-wing, supporting the Vietnam War from their armchairs without having to engage in it.

I believe Nixon won 52% of the under-30 vote in 1972. There's a myth that pervades that young people in the 60s were unusually liberal. Many of them, of course, were. But by no means all. After all those young people in the 1960s and 70s went onto to elect Reagan multiple times in the 80s...

I wouldn't rule out him pardoning the assassin should they be found guilty in court, given he pardoned all the Jan 6th convicts and more recently a Sheriff who happened to be a Trump supporter.
Trump can pardon Federal crimes but he cannot pardon State crimes. It's why he's fighting to get his New York "hush money" convictions overturned because he cannot just pardon himself (anyone think he wouldn't have tried by now if he could?). I think more telling will be if the perpetrator has broken any Federal laws whether those are actually prosecuted by Federal law enforcement.

I enjoyed watching American soldiers trying to march during thier parade. I am sure the Grenadier Guards would have been in step! Hell, I am sure the County Durham air cadets that I was part of would have done better!
Leading theory I've heard is that some were not happy to be used as a prop in the Trump show whilst even those that might like Trump were not happy to lose their weekend leave to march in the humid Washington heat. This leading to malicious compliance. They paraded but they didn't have to do it well. Plus we know that the US Army can march properly when they want to...


(Video shows the 1991 Victory Celebration following the Gulf War. Soldiers, sailors, marines and airmen paraded through Washington DC and looked good doing it).

I wouldn't suggest watching the whole three hour video but just scrub through and you'll soon spot the difference between a highly motivated and proud group of military personnel and whatever happened on Saturday!
 

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Leading theory I've heard is that some were not happy to be used as a prop in the Trump show whilst even those that might like Trump were not happy to lose their weekend leave to march in the humid Washington heat. This leading to malicious compliance. They paraded but they didn't have to do it well.
This is supported by the fact that many (most?) of them were in combat fatigues rather than dress uniform.
 

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Seems the Orange One isn't happy so others have to feel more pain:

US President Donald Trump has ordered an expansion of the detention and deportation of migrants across the country as protests against his policies continue.
In a post on Truth Social, Trump called on federal agencies to "do all in their power" to deliver "the single largest mass deportation programme in history", naming Los Angeles, Chicago and New York as specific targets.
These cities are among the many where large-scale protests have broken out against raids on undocumented migrants since 6 June.
Trump has faced legal challenges and criticism for his response to the protests - particularly his deployment of the military to quell the demonstrations.
Trump said he had directed the "entire administration to put every resource possible behind this effort".
He also promised to prevent "anyone who undermines the domestic tranquility of the United States" from entering the country.
 

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Ah, so Trump should be deported, then, as he is undoubtedly guilty of "undermining the domestic tranquility of the United States".

Perhaps one E.Musk could be sent back to South Africa, too.

;)
 

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We should be watching to see how Trump reacts to this. Will he send out a clear message as to just how unacceptable this is or will he just put out a few weasel words on Truth? And even if he doesn’t react too badly one may fear that some of his close supporters will: is he going to slap them down hard or just drip out a few token criticisms of their behaviour?
He will not attack his own supporters. An ordinary Trump voter - mentally limited, uneducated, easily manipulated. Not an isolated case, but a mass phenomenon. Represented millions of times over in a country whose democratic substance has long been overlaid by a resentful herd instinct. It is precisely this clientele that has carried Trump into the White House - not despite, but because of their intellectual bankruptcy.
 

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