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RomeoCharlie71 · 19 Jun 2025

Ohnolookwho said:
On paper thats true, reality doesn't quite match that. A lot of goodwill from drivers has been used up to keep services running as much as possible.

Most of the “goodwill” (overtime) will be to cover sickness, lieu days, routine training, etc. There is also the gap between new drivers starting with the business and being ready to go out by themselves which takes at least 2 months

overthewater said:
I'm very surprised the x52 is coving off but Glenrothes depot and Rennies do cover that route along with Dunfermline. I dare say there isn't the buses to cover this now.

I didn’t think Rennies had any ordinary service work now?

overthewater said:
All the Euro4 and below are heading out of the area.

Is this confirmed with a source?

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Fifescottish · 19 Jun 2025

X52

Morning 1st and 3rd departures- Dunfermline B8

Morning 2nd departure - Glenrothes B13 or E300

Evening all departures - Dunfermline Scania E400

Massive backwards step, they’ve built up a customer base over 6 years and those services are NOT quiet leaving/arriving at Duloch Park. Passengers will not transfer at Ferrytoll.

overthewater · 19 Jun 2025

RomeoCharlie71 said:
Is this confirmed with a source?

Two pages back, where it highlighted Stagecoach handed back over 20 school contracts, they is fife council Doc saying all council routes and school buses must be Euro 5 or above. It very unlikely Fife will have anything below Euro 5.

RomeoCharlie71 said:
I didn’t think Rennies had any ordinary service work now?

Fifescottish said:
X52

Morning 1st and 3rd departures- Dunfermline B8

Morning 2nd departure - Glenrothes B13 or E300

Evening all departures - Dunfermline Scania E400

Massive backwards step, they’ve built up a customer base over 6 years and those services are NOT quiet leaving/arriving at Duloch Park. Passengers will not transfer at Ferrytoll.

SO Rennie's must have stopped doing the runs on X52 last august? I have to agree there are not quiet. I think this could cause a flash point and protests?

Fifescottish · 19 Jun 2025

Rennie’s haven’t operated on the X52 route since pre Covid I think. Crazy decision to pull this off.

FlybeDash8Q400 · 19 Jun 2025

Fifescottish said:
Rennie’s haven’t operated on the X52 route since pre Covid I think. Crazy decision to pull this off.

It got me thinking why the X55 doesn’t have deckers all the time? A set of Scania E400mmc’s would do well. No doubt there’s probably a good reason for it. Wind on Forth Road Bridge?

Certainly back in the day the majority of the Fife to Edinburgh expresses were operated by deckers.

RomeoCharlie71 · 19 Jun 2025

FlybeDash8Q400 said:
It got me thinking why the X55 doesn’t have deckers all the time? A set of Scania E400mmc’s would do well. No doubt there’s probably a good reason for it. Wind on Forth Road Bridge?

Correct, diverting via the Queensferry Crossing omits the 2 stops either end of the Forth Road Bridge

Probably also because there's a limited market for the Panther LEs. The mix of the stop-start nature of the Dunfermline/Rosyth end of the route and the express Ferrytoll - Edinburgh section, combined with a short overall end-to-end journey time (not requiring a toilet, extensive luggage space, etc.), makes them ideal for the X55. Stagecoach would probably find it difficult to displace or even sell them if they introduced a double deck fleet on the route

FlybeDash8Q400 · 19 Jun 2025

RomeoCharlie71 said:
Correct, diverting via the Queensferry Crossing omits the 2 stops either end of the Forth Road Bridge

Probably also because there's a limited market for the Panther LEs. The mix of the stop-start nature of the Dunfermline/Rosyth end of the route and the express Ferrytoll - Edinburgh section, combined with a short overall end-to-end journey time (not requiring a toilet, extensive luggage space, etc.), makes them ideal for the X55. Stagecoach would probably find it difficult to displace or even sell them if they introduced a double deck fleet on the route

I don’t think that’s a total disaster to be honest. I know it’s different using them as required than all the time, but when they are used they work well.

I think the LE’s definitely find themselves in a niche position. Obviously only 20 were ever built - 19 for East Scotland and the now Perth based ex demo 54521.

Certainly you could make an argument that the X7 would probably suit the LE’s. Mind you a route that has certainly struggled since COVID.

overthewater · 19 Jun 2025

Just to say the brand new deckers have been out today doing the 747 dups for the Royal highland show.

robertclark125 · 19 Jun 2025

overthewater said:
Just to say the brand new deckers have been out today doing the 747 dups for the Royal highland show.

I know! At ferrytoll we changed from a jet 747 branded E200Mmc to 80212.

Strathtay 260 · Tuesday at 16:25

New 74A and 74C re-routed timetables (from Monday) are out on Traveline.

DJ_9SZ · Friday at 07:18

With the upcoming Fife Council Euro 5 restrictions coming up in August, for Stagecoach is it as simple as anything older than a later 57 or an 08 plate must not be used?

A look on the bustimes.org fleet list only has a handful of 56/07/57 plate deckers.

Guessing that engine conversion would not be cost-effective in the long run.

And presuming there will be areas that older buses can be sent to where these restrictions have not yet been implemented? Thought there would have been somewhere within the group that could have sent up some slightly newer buses in exchange for the old bangers.

Volvodart · Friday at 07:34

DJ_9SZ said:
With the upcoming Fife Council Euro 5 restrictions coming up in August, for Stagecoach is it as simple as anything older than a later 57 or an 08 plate must not be used?

A look on the bustimes.org fleet list only has a handful of 56/07/57 plate deckers.

Guessing that engine conversion would not be cost-effective in the long run.

And presuming there will be areas that older buses can be sent to where these restrictions have not yet been implemented? Thought there would have been somewhere within the group that could have sent up some slightly newer buses in exchange for the old bangers.

They have been having the Stagecoach fleetnames removed which suggests that they are being disposed of.

FlybeDash8Q400 · Friday at 11:14

Volvodart said:
They have been having the Stagecoach fleetnames removed which suggests that they are being disposed of.

I could see some of the non Euro5 stock going to Perth for a bit if the fleet is swapped about a bit. I don’t think it’s possible to remove all the non Euro5 stock, but certainly some of the School allocated deckers may return to normal service. Indeed I think some already have.

I wonder if it’s possible that the Arbroath EV’s in time will act as the actual replacements. This should displace the low back seated MMC’s at Arbroath for move elsewhere?

AndrewTaylor95 · Friday at 11:24

FlybeDash8Q400 said:
I could see some of the non Euro5 stock going to Perth for a bit if the fleet is swapped about a bit. I don’t think it’s possible to remove all the non Euro5 stock, but certainly some of the School allocated deckers may return to normal service. Indeed I think some already have.

I wonder if it’s possible that the Arbroath EV’s in time will act as the actual replacements. This should displace the low back seated MMC’s at Arbroath for move elsewhere?

Some of the 16 plate MMCs are supposedly going to a Fife depot once the EVs are up and running

Strathtay 260 · 2025-07-05T12:33:40+0100

Service 74 changes:

From Monday the 7th of July, our service 74 route will be changing in Dundee.

The route and times east of Dundee High Street will remain unchanged. The 74 & 74B will be the same in the early morning, evening and Sunday.

West of Whitehall Street, the Monday to Saturday daytime journeys on services 74A & 74C will run via Slessor Gardens and Dundee railway station before continuing to Hawkhill, Hunter Street.

From there the return journey will no longer run via Perth Road and will go via Bellfield Street, Blackness Road and Hawkhill to High Street.

You can view the timetable here.

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