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Things in living memory which seem very anachronistic now

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Contrariwise: when car tyres were expected to fail catastrophically with such frequency that it was necessary to lug an extra one around with you all the time, rather than a compact and lightweight puncture repair kit.
How far back in history is this? IME punctures are no more or less common now than when I first started driving 30+ years ago.

The repair goop is a very poor substitute for a spare wheel for next to no benefit, you don't gain any useful boot space (in all the cars I've had with repair kits, the spare wheel well is just plugged with a foam tray) and a weight saving of around 15kg on a 2 tonne car is insignificant.
 
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back when the outskirts of London were still quite rural, and seeing a red london bus, turn up I remember visiting my Aunt, who lived near bromley, we caught a train, and i can remember it being a red London bus that picked us up from the station,
And later, having conductors on our local bus routes, before they then became, single deck one man operated.
 

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Dad guarding the immersion heater. Maybe that still happens.

Shared landlines.
Party lines they were called by the GPO. Both phones shared the same pair of wire for speech.
But the ring current went from wire to ground: different wire for each subscriber.
before dialling you had to make sure that the other party were not talking. And, if they wer,e you could pick up some juicy gossip
 

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How far back in history is this? IME punctures are no more or less common now than when I first started driving 30+ years ago.

The repair goop is a very poor substitute for a spare wheel for next to no benefit, you don't gain any useful boot space (in all the cars I've had with repair kits, the spare wheel well is just plugged with a foam tray) and a weight saving of around 15kg on a 2 tonne car is insignificant.
I'd have thought various factors would cancel each other out when it comes to motor vehicle punctures.

On the one hand, tyres will no doubt have improved in quality. Improvements in road surfaces* may also help.

On the other hand, vehicles are heavier, our weathers are moving more to the extremes again, and there's more debris left on hard shoulders etc after collisions.

* In the past few years, road surfaces appear to have deteriorated in that the surface technology may be better, but local authorities are short on funds and so pothole repairs etc are lacking.

A lot of motors come with run flat tyres which should make it safer in the event of a puncture, but don't do much to prevent the puncture itself.

That does though, combined with £20 air compressors which run from the cigarette lighter, make spare wheels much less common.

The thing about the spare wheel to be honest is that for a long time now most of them have been space savers, so they're only really designed to run at lower speeds for a shorter distance to get to a garage. I suspect the number of 'typical car' drivers carrying full-sized spare wheels is dwindling, and those who even bother to keep them properly maintained even less so. A full-sized spare wheel is on my to-buy list, because the car is most often used for driving around the Highlands where garages and mechanics can be a long way away, especially in bad weather like snow and ice, but even I would consider just wrapping up in blankets and waiting for the RAC to rock up.
 

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When I bought my car 11 years ago I was spending a lot of time driving in the Peak District all year round. I found a set of winter tyres and wheels on special offer at the main dealer - at £500 it was so good it wasn't to be missed. Worked a treat. We haven't had a really bad winter since. I should get rid of them to make space in the garage.
 

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How far back in history is this? IME punctures are no more or less common now than when I first started driving 30+ years ago.
Not merely punctures, but catastrophic failures. If the tyre is intact, a patch kit can get you to somewhere that a proper repair can be carried out perfectly well. If the tyre has completely blown out, or been shredded, or is otherwise distributed along the previous half-mile, the spare wheel is indispensible.

Since the latter doesn't really happen any more, except in really extreme circumstances, the smaller, cheaper, and lighter patch kit is a reasonable tradeoff.

In my car, the space around it has been packed (by me!) with jump leads, gloves, screenwash, a first aid kit and the likes. But in some models the entire floor of the boot has been lowered by an amount equivalent to the spare wheel, creating a huge amount of cargo space.
 

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My car still has a full size spare, but i also carry a 12v compressor, jump leads and a small 12v power pack, Really though, i should really carry a head gasket, and full tool kit, its an MGTF, you know, the ones that blow their head gaskets for fun, but saying that, its never let me down yet,
 

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Party lines they were called by the GPO. Both phones shared the same pair of wire for speech.
But the ring current went from wire to ground: different wire for each subscriber.
before dialling you had to make sure that the other party were not talking. And, if they wer,e you could pick up some juicy gossip
I remember our phone had a clear button just underneath the handset which you pressed, I think when there was a shared line, but no idea what it did.

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Phoning a number to hear pop music
 

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Party lines they were called by the GPO. Both phones shared the same pair of wire for speech.
But the ring current went from wire to ground: different wire for each subscriber.
before dialling you had to make sure that the other party were not talking. And, if they wer,e you could pick up some juicy gossip
Somewhat specialist knowledge for this thread but the party line was replaced by the DACS system which used the same pair of wires but digitised and frequency shifted one of them out of the audible range of the other and then de-shifted it at the exchange. Unlike a party line, this allowed for both parties to call at the same time without hearing each other. It even worked for dial-up Internet.

However it was incompatible with ADSL broadband so most DACSed lines were replaced in the 2010s, and I believe it's now completely obsolete.
 

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Calling hot weather "good": the hotter the better.

Nowadays we are aware of the dangers of heat and people like me who dislike hot sunshine are less likely to be regarded as freaks
 

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Not merely punctures, but catastrophic failures. If the tyre is intact, a patch kit can get you to somewhere that a proper repair can be carried out perfectly well. If the tyre has completely blown out, or been shredded, or is otherwise distributed along the previous half-mile, the spare wheel is indispensible.

Since the latter doesn't really happen any more, except in really extreme circumstances, the smaller, cheaper, and lighter patch kit is a reasonable tradeoff.

In my car, the space around it has been packed (by me!) with jump leads, gloves, screenwash, a first aid kit and the likes. But in some models the entire floor of the boot has been lowered by an amount equivalent to the spare wheel, creating a huge amount of cargo space.
It can, at the price of ruining a tyre which in many cases could easily be repaired at a fraction the cost of a new tyre. There's also another circumstance where tyre goop is useless, when the tyre is intact but there's a noticeable bulge in the sidewall (which can result in the type of catastrophic failure mentioned) due to hitting pothole at speed. This is more common now due to the much greater prevalance of low profile tyres. Finally even when you can use the goop, they're a short term solution to get you home or to a nearby fitter, in the case of Kia they recommend no more than 120 miles at 50mph. Admittedly that last one's true of space saver wheels too, I'm not a fan of those either. Luckily my 2020 Niro does have space for a full size spare (something I wasn't aware of until after I bought it) so not something I need to worry about :D

In my car, the space around it has been packed (by me!) with jump leads, gloves, screenwash, a first aid kit and the likes. But in some models the entire floor of the boot has been lowered by an amount equivalent to the spare wheel, creating a huge amount of cargo space.
Now that would actually be a genuinely worthwhile tradeoff for losing a spare, but IME it's the exception rather than the rule. The negligible benefit of being able to store a few odds and sods which would otherwise live in the little cubby holes either side of my tailgate isn't.
 

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Only if someone makes a mistake! It was to provide a reference in the absence of programming that the screen was correctly aligned (whether in size or colour). As TV is now 24/7 the downtime is non-existent. There are still uses for saw-tooth generators and colour bars, and an electronically generated test card but not to be seen by the end user/viewer.

I remember as a kid on a Saturday morning listening to the music on Ulster Television with an IBA test card. It was the best music ever.

 

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I remember as a kid on a Saturday morning listening to the music on Ulster Television with an IBA test card. It was the best music ever.
I’m sure we all do, and you’ll find all the music you liked all available to buy or stream (if you have an accoun) there’s even an online Test Card Society that discusses the music used. I recently bought an LP that featured the opening music from Border, Ulster, Scottish, Tyne Tees, Southern etc and it really brings those times back! (STV used ‘Scotlandia’, and Ulster ‘Loch Lagan’).
 

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I remember as a kid, back in the 1950's, the air-raid siren on top of our local telephone exchange being tested at regular intervals, usually on a Sunday if memory serves correctly.
We lived some distance away from it, but it was pretty loud.

Of course, fast forward to current times and we now have the National Emergency Alarm or whatever they call it on our mobile phones. When they tested it in the south-west out of the blue last year, it scared the living daylights out of me - I think I finished up vibrating in tune with the wretched phone ...... :lol:
 

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Landlines! Haven’t had one for a decade.





Yes me too, and have had cause to use them all recently.

Me either. I have a landline for broadband but no phone attached. In fact just did a speed test and my mobile phone is 15 times faster than the broadband in the pub. Which has one other customer.

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I’m sure we all do, and you’ll find all the music you liked all available to buy or stream (if you have an accoun) there’s even an online Test Card Society that discusses the music used. I recently bought an LP that featured the opening music from Border, Ulster, Scottish, Tyne Tees, Southern etc and it really brings those times back! (STV used ‘Scotlandia’, and Ulster ‘Loch Lagan’).

So when grew up the music on Ulster Television was called The Antrim Road (YouTube link in my previous post).

But I also miss the old ITV idents, especially from the companies you mentioned.
 

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I remember as a kid, back in the 1950's, the air-raid siren on top of our local telephone exchange being tested at regular intervals, usually on a Sunday if memory serves correctly.
We lived some distance away from it, but it was pretty loud.

I recall that in Newcastle, although I don't think it was on Sundays. Weekly power cuts about tea time one day a week in the late 1940s, candles out on blue enamelled plates.
 

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Me either. I have a landline for broadband but no phone attached. In fact just did a speed test and my mobile phone is 15 times faster than the broadband in the pub. Which has one other customer.
I keep the landline for broadband but last time I checked the line only rate gave no saving over the cheapest contract. I have had a couple of genuine inbound calls this year from people who still had the old number
 

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I suspect immersion heaters will be a candidate for the thread before too long now that people tend to have combi boilers.
Combi boilers are great - but for larger homes, a system boiler and hot water cylinder is still preferred as a boiler that could keep up with maximum demand would be unduly large. Our immersion heater switch is buried away in the cupboard with the cylinder so it's really easy to forget about and run up a huge electricity bill!

Another one for the thread: instruction manuals. An awful lot of products these days just provide a 2D barcode that points you at a YouTube video which may or may not answer your question.
 

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I suspect immersion heaters will be a candidate for the thread before too long now that people tend to have combi boilers.
Don't be so sure. Plenty of lower quality rented properties still relying on traditional heating systems for which an immersion heater is sometimes the better choice. Equally there are relatively recently built low-rise apartment buildings featuring a lot of timber framing meaning no gas on site ie immersion heating is the only way to heat water.
 

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Equally there are relatively recently built low-rise apartment buildings featuring a lot of timber framing meaning no gas on site ie immersion heating is the only way to heat water.
No reason why timber framing should rule out gas - something like 90% of newbuild homes in Scotland are timber framed and the vast majority are also gas heated.
 

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When I bought my car 11 years ago I was spending a lot of time driving in the Peak District all year round. I found a set of winter tyres and wheels on special offer at the main dealer - at £500 it was so good it wasn't to be missed. Worked a treat. We haven't had a really bad winter since. I should get rid of them to make space in the garage.
They’re probably’ useless by now if you’ve swapped them a few times. A leading tyre fitting chain refused to swap mine a sixth time and I had no real alternative but to scrap both the summer and winter sets (neither fully worn) and buy a new set of combination/all-season ones. Oh, and pay a scrappage/landfill tax fee.

(The inner beads get damaged during fitting and removal.)
 

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No reason why timber framing should rule out gas - something like 90% of newbuild homes in Scotland are timber framed and the vast majority are also gas heated.
I don't think it's timber framing in particular, but rather multi-storey timber framed buildings. There is/was an issue with mains gas supplies to such construction:
  1. The investigation of a gas release at a block of flats in Bothwell, Scotland identified that a release of gas had occurred following the fracture of a malleable iron fitting on a steel gas service, the building was evacuated. It was identified that shrinkage had occurred in the timber frame relative to the external brick shell- see diagram below.
  2. The identified mode of failure was due to the imposition of excessive loads from the timber frame upon the gas service, due to the cumulative effect of shrinkage of the timber frame (this shrinkage usually occurs within the first year of construction). The effect is most notable in the upper stories - see photographs below.
  3. Due to the mode of failure and the type of building construction it is possible for large volumes of gas to accumulate in the area between the external brick wall and the internal timber frame structure.
 

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