Class 172 Production Progress

Class172 · 27 Jul 2011

Nym said:
Sorry, but how is another microfleet at LM who have thrown their toys out of the pram again with regards to cascading rolling stock a good thing?

They ordered enough 172s to displace all 150s, so DO IT!

I suppose the only way in which LM can get rid of the 150s would be to have the add-on order completed.
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tom1649 said:
150001 said:

As I like the class 150s, I will miss them. however the good news is that they will actually be refurbished inside for the first time in years! Any staying will miss out

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Noo, they aren't taking the original Ashbourne seating out are they?

Yes, they do need a refurbishment but I quite admire the original seating and layout; I presume they're some of the last 150s to retain the original interior. However, if they do get refurbished then they should be brought upto the same standard as the 172s, with 2+2 seating and some tables.

If LM want to keep some 150s then I would do this:-
Keep 150001/2 and if possible fit a door control panel in the centre carriage. They could then be used to either provide an extra service when needed; they can be used to extend trains; or obviously as spares. I would operate the two prototypes for BHM-HFD and Snow Hill services. Then I would keep two 150/1s (reformed 150/0) for Bletchley duties.

Alternatively, more 172s could be ordered for LM to displace remaining 150s and possibly 170s (but that's another story). Then a couple of PACERS :!:

could be employed on the Marston Vale line. After all, it would suit them.

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tom1649 · 27 Jul 2011

Class172 said:
I suppose the only way in which LM can get rid of the 150s would be to have the add-on order completed.
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Yes, they do need a refurbishment but I quite admire the original seating and layout; I presume they're some of the last 150s to retain the original interior. However, if they do get refurbished then they should be brought upto the same standard as the 172s, with 2+2 seating and some tables.

So many people prefer the really high backed seats, but I think the originals are the perfect height. You get a better view out of the train and it doesn't feel so claustrophobic.

I'm probably the only person on here who preferred the unrefurbished 507s/508s for that very reason. I thought they were fine for the services they ran. The new seats are way too high for the style of service operated. I would also think it makes it easier for troublemakers to hide, and reduces visibility for the guard down the train.

Some of Northern's 150/2s retain the original seating.

Old Hill Bank · 27 Jul 2011

Class172 said:
I suppose the only way in which LM can get rid of the 150s would be to have the add-on order completed.
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Yes, they do need a refurbishment but I quite admire the original seating and layout; I presume they're some of the last 150s to retain the original interior. However, if they do get refurbished then they should be brought upto the same standard as the 172s, with 2+2 seating and some tables.

The LM 150's do not have the original seating layout, what you see these days are a cram them in modification funded by Centro some years back.

As for tables, I'm lost for words!!!!

Class172 · 27 Jul 2011

Old Hill Bank said:
The LM 150's do not have the original seating layout, what you see these days are a cram them in modification funded by Centro some years back.

As for tables, I'm lost for words!!!!

I didn't realise it was a new layout, I thought the seats had just been recovered.

The 172s have tables, so why not the 150s.
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tom1649 said:
So many people prefer the really high backed seats, but I think the originals are the perfect height. You get a better view out of the train and it doesn't feel so claustrophobic.

I do admire the airy nature of the interior unlike the more confined looking 170. I never said that it had to be high-backed seats.

150001 · 27 Jul 2011

No, the 150s have had the same layout inside for years. Even when they first introduced in Wales, they had a very similiar 3+2 layout.

JEPB · 28 Jul 2011

LM's 150's do not have the original seating. The current, higher density layout was part of a Centro sponsored scheme to increase seating capacity and remove any last remaining anomalies such as tables, facing seat bays, lockable compartments, experimental seating etc. These have to be the least attractive and most uncomfortable dmu seating around and the pitch is far too small for most people. Good luck to FGW and Northern, these units need a lot of work inside!

I have noticed there are many more 2 car 150's around and some services short-formed. I suspect LM are re-creating the 150/2 units that were split up to create the 3-car hybrids. This presumably allows them some spare units to release early to FGW.

Class172 · 28 Jul 2011

JEPB said:
LM's 150's do not have the original seating. The current, higher density layout was part of a Centro sponsored scheme to increase seating capacity and remove any last remaining anomalies such as tables, facing seat bays, lockable compartments, experimental seating etc. These have to be the least attractive and most uncomfortable dmu seating around and the pitch is far too small for most people. Good luck to FGW and Northern, these units need a lot of work inside!

I don't mind the seating that much. The low back seats do make the train feel bigger inside.

Compartments?? You mean like on Mk1s?

I have noticed there are many more 2 car 150's around and some services short-formed. I suspect LM are re-creating the 150/2 units that were split up to create the 3-car hybrids. This presumably allows them some spare units to release early to FGW.

Oh great! That means that my school service will most likely become 2 carriages; its already a cattle truck!

hock:

JEPB · 28 Jul 2011

When they were first introduced, at least some of the 150/1s had a sort of part-time replacement for the guards van. At that stage, particularly in mid-Wales, there was still a significant amount of parcels and mail being carried by train. So, at one end of train, between the first sliding doors and the driving compartment, there was a sliding door that could be locked shut when mail and parcels were being carried. I think Royal Mail insisted on this. It was also useful for carrying bicycles, wheelchairs and other bulky items. When it was not needed there were rudimentary folding bench seats.

Once Red Star folded and mail stopped going by rail, the doors were removed and conventional seating installed.

I presume 150/2's never had this, as it would not work with the corridor connection?

WillPS · 28 Jul 2011

Many 156s had (and some still have!) it.

jopsuk · 28 Jul 2011

317s (with a corridor connector) and 321s had it- on the 317/5s at least it persists as an area with longitudinal folding bench seating, the sliding door is gone.

IanXC · 28 Jul 2011

Class172 said:
Oh great! That means that my school service will most likely become 2 carriages; its already a cattle truck! hock:

I guess that at this time of year LM have thought they can disband the hybrid sets, and start the cascade, on the basis they'll have sufficient 172s in service in September to provide the usual strength units.

trains2064 · 28 Jul 2011

150001 said:
No, the 150s have had the same layout inside for years. Even when they first introduced in Wales, they had a very similiar 3+2 layout.

Found this link.

http://www.railwayherald.org/imagelink/200100

looks to be an improvement on the 150 interior.

devon_metro · 28 Jul 2011

JEPB said:
Once Red Star folded and mail stopped going by rail, the doors were removed and conventional seating installed.

Did they! The ex silverlink 150/1s with fgw have transverse bench seating in the old parcels bit!

hippy · 28 Jul 2011

trains2064 said:
Found this link.

http://www.railwayherald.org/imagelink/200100

looks to be an improvement on the 150 interior.

Look's fantastic compared to the current 150's!

anthony263 · 29 Jul 2011

hippy said:
Look's fantastic compared to the current 150's!

I agree it does actually look very nice. I still feel a bit angree that the proposal wasnt taken up to order 11, 4 carriage class 172's for FGW the class 158's could have been re-formed back to 2 carriage sets and provide extra capacity on other parts of the network.

Anyway i look forward to november where i hope to be able to do a trip to hereford & birmingham snow hill and have a ride on 1 of these

Old Hill Bank · 29 Jul 2011

trains2064 said:
Found this link.

http://www.railwayherald.org/imagelink/200100

looks to be an improvement on the 150 interior.

Thanks for the link, it looks good.

trains2064 · 30 Jul 2011

Just passed Tyseley and seen 172340 on there. That makes 6 3 car sets. The might even be another.

jon0844 · 30 Jul 2011

Was it a 172 that came through Hatfield last night (not under its own power) around 2235/2240 on the ECML towards London? Was white with coloured doors but without any vinyls/branding that I could see (dark, far away and fast).

jopsuk · 30 Jul 2011

Certainly wouldn't be an LM one, and unlikely to to be a Chiltern or LO one- perhaps it was 466 (if it was 2 car)?

Class172 · 30 Jul 2011

jonmorris0844 said:
Was it a 172 that came through Hatfield last night (not under its own power) around 2235/2240 on the ECML towards London? Was white with coloured doors but without any vinyls/branding that I could see (dark, far away and fast).

Could have been a new Class 379 on delivery to NXEA - they have a white body and dark blue doors.

jon0844 · 30 Jul 2011

Ah yes, that's quite likely.

150001 · 30 Jul 2011

172332 came flying through Dorridge today at 15:21! They are so quiet! Purred through effortlessly.

Old Hill Bank · 30 Jul 2011

Ah 332, did it have any seats in it!!!!?

trains2064 · 30 Jul 2011

Old Hill Bank said:
Ah 332, did it have any seats in it!!!!?

No.

331 and 332 should be returnning to derby next week or at the latest the week after for reworking and finishing.

All subject to delivery of more units.

I am told 334 is ready for delivery. Also 4 units without numbers but probably only 335, 336, 342, 343, 344 and 345 of the 3 cars left. Also 213 seen from the road.

150001 · 30 Jul 2011

213!!! Is that at Tyseley or derby?

Class172 · 30 Jul 2011

I presume it is at Litchurch Lane.

mattby · 6 Aug 2011

Have the the chiltern 172s been put on more diagrams yet or not till the new timetable

anthony263 · 6 Aug 2011

mattby said:
Have the the chiltern 172s been put on more diagrams yet or not till the new timetable

Not til the new timetable comes into affect then they will be used on most of the Gerards cross - London Marylebone stopping services, doesnt 1 of these services still go to paddington? if so i suspect that will stay as a class 165 unless a class 172 will be used

swt_passenger · 6 Aug 2011

Alternatively, perhaps those coupling trials that were done between a CH 172 and various FGW units at Reading Triangle a few weeks back were part of getting route clearance into Paddington?

The reported hassle with NR over the SN 171s on the WLL parliamentary is what makes me think that might be the case...

NIMBUS · 6 Aug 2011

In the new timetable the Parly is the 10:44 Gerrards X to Paddington and the 11:36 back - so that could well be 172 worked.

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