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    Webb Designs - Successes and failures

    Perhaps, but am not suggesting he didn't nor that the event didnt occur, however there are very few reports by individuals that did see it. So question becomes how frequent an occurrence was it. The story morphed into there were men available at every station with pinch bars to move the engine...
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    Webb Designs - Successes and failures

    It was the so-called parsimonious Moon that gave him the large salary - actually Moon was willing to spend money as long as it benefited the shareholders. Webb certainly gave the railway what it wanted - manufacturing that was amongst the best in the country, locomotives that were cheap to build...
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    Webb Designs - Successes and failures

    Moderator note: Posts #1 - #4 originally in this thread: https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/trivia-train-types-where-significant-withdrawals-took-place-before-the-last-ones-were-built.209418/page-2#post-4794406 Well thats a short statement about a complex subject covering 10 or more classes...
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    Trivia: Train types where significant withdrawals took place before the last ones were built

    Wonderful book by Mr Talbot - as indeed are all of his books on the LNWR, a real pleasure to read. "On the subject of Trevithick; one of the first loco books ever published was The L&NWR Locomotives, Simple & Compound (1899)." Cotterell and Wilkinson - fascinating short book, full of facts and...
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    Trivia: Train types where significant withdrawals took place before the last ones were built

    Vague memory having read that LNWR ordered extra boilers for various classes after the war so would have spares. It was the boiler that took the longest time for overhaul, by giving an overhauled engine one of the spare boilers it was out of the shops sooner. Hence required more tenders...
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    Trivia: Train types where significant withdrawals took place before the last ones were built

    Brian Reed, "Crewe Locomotive Works and It's Men" starting page 131. He wasn't the only person involved but did do the actual selection. As said he wasn't promoted to CME as everyone including himself expected when Whale retired. Instead was promoted a couple of years later and moved to...
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    Booking office and guard customer service levels in the 'good old' BR days.

    Commuted from Nuneaton to Euston for over 10 years in the 90's and early 2000's. Found with most Guards if you were friendly with them then they would do anything for you and always ready for a laugh or chat and let you know what was going on. Even got quietly let in at guards door when one...
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    Trivia: Train types where significant withdrawals took place before the last ones were built

    That was Trevithick, grandson of famous Trevithick and son of Trevithick the ex-loco superintendent of LNWR Northern Division. Think he was the works manager under Whale. Went round condemning Webb Compounds whenever saw one in the works. Curious as believe he was a friend of Webb. Unfortunately...
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    How were steam engines designed/drawn up/constructed?

    Interesting question. Believe he told fibs - especially about about ex-LNWR engines. Other than that, not sure, but makes him unreliable. Where he was useful and shewed another excellent facet of Staniers management abilities was the monitoring of performance of engines in service then doing...
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    How were steam engines designed/drawn up/constructed?

    No one has ever suggested Nock was anything like as inventive as Stretton. Or indeed knowingly published any untruths. No idea where his lists came from, but he had a lot of acquaintances ! 1600028127 But Gresley was buried in Netherseal near the villages named after the family in Derbyshire -...
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    How were steam engines designed/drawn up/constructed?

    Yep, thats the one. Very good description of why to avoid him by Harry Jack - have a look here :- http://www.lnwrhg.com/articles/stretton/stretton1.php Most of my reading concerns the LNWR - can give some excellent suggestions for there. But in my humble opinion the best author on any topic in...
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    How were steam engines designed/drawn up/constructed?

    Should warn you that Nock was a very good writer and Railway Journalist but not a good researcher or serious historian. He does tend to tell a good tale but it doesn't always match the later information that emerges from serious research. Don't think he lied the same way that Stretton did but...
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    How were steam engines designed/drawn up/constructed?

    Not sure that Fowler blocked anything that Anderson wanted - he who crippled the Garratts. When Scots and 2-6-4 4P tanks were in design/under construction Anderson must have blinked :-) Believe he only narrowly avoided making mess of Horwich Crabs. 1598908591 And Gresley did his apprenticeship...
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    Shortest-lived loco/train in the UK?

    Hackworth's locomotive was purchased by the L&M and used for a few years, then ran on Bolton and Leigh Railway for several years. Not too bad for those days.
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    How were steam engines designed/drawn up/constructed?

    He did indeed start and continue for many years at Swindon. He would have been in line for next CME except he was getting too close to retirement age and the current incumbent wasn't due to retire for a few years. The LMS offered him the post (they wanted an outsider to end the old companys...
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    How were steam engines designed/drawn up/constructed?

    Perhaps, but when Stanier was shown and accepted that higher superheat temperatures resulted in much better performance he let them know at Swindon, but they ignored the information. Bet Churchward would have tried it. Sticking with something that works without giving improvements reasonable...
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    Trivia: Stations named after buildings.

    Thank you an interesting snippet that must remember, especially Crue - are the Welsh that concise very often ?
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    How were steam engines designed/drawn up/constructed?

    I keep mentioing the LNWR. They were into standardisation of parts in Ramsbottoms time as CME and he left in 1871. Not sure about Swindon. Also Crewe works were one of the first (if not the first) to build/make as much as possible themselves. That included rolling rails from their own steel, and...
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    Trivia: Stations named after buildings.

    Crewe named after Crewe Hall. Ok one of those which came first - Station or town, without checking would guess was the Station.
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    How were steam engines designed/drawn up/constructed?

    Quite good insight into the casual/accidental rather than scientific nature of design can be gained from E.A. Langridge "Under 10 CMEs", Oakwood Press..

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