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What if it does? The railway is inherently more controllable than the roads and to reduce that control by making a dispatch incident more likely is a backward step. --- old post above --- --- new post below --- A guard on every train; who dispatches the train at times and places when there...

The stats seem to be based on what happens and is known; to my mind there is not enough attention being given to the unknowns. And I think you are right, if anyone doubts DOO now, the whole staff reducing strategy collapses. There also seems to have been a general tendancy of hiding behind the...

It's akin to what I heard about why the law requires stairways to have a handrail - generally no one slips but for the one in a million times that they do, the handrail is there to stop them falling. With universal DOO we are taking away the handrail when the stairs may be greasy. Sadly I've...

Exactly Chrisg31. When something does happen, it tends to be framed in terms of the human actors making a mistake rather than the method they are obliged to use having disadvantages. Therefore plenty of daily DOO events are not investigated because the whole system is assumed to be working and...

Not at all. When an armchair pundit keeps making dubious ill informed claims - such as a bus being the same as a train, a bit of board being the answer to sunlight bleaching out DOO cameras, or stating that his use of trains as a passenger means he knows about the reality of DOO better than a...

I fear the Ants and Trolls don't want to listen. Wasting my breath.

And because on a packed platform where people are blocking the view it can be harder for the driver to rely on the view from mirrors or monitors than that gained from being on the platform. On a straight platform the driver can look back which is better but he can't tell someone twelve cars away...

I bow to your superior experience. Being personally responsible for a hundred safe stops and starts a day in sometimes very challenging circumstances is nothing to being a passenger on a couple of trains is it?

Dispatched a lot of DOO trains have you? We're not scaremongering. We're SCARED. --- old post above --- --- new post below --- It's possibly due to a systematic side lining of the unions and their input. The Transport Select Committee Report on recent events made it clear that the RSSB and...

The latest in a run of well argued and well informed posts by Don King who clearly knows what he is talking about - and still someone wants to argue. It seemingly doesn't matter how much experience of reality is brought to this forum.

And doesn't that say it all about this affair? There is NO progress in losing guards. It puts more stress on the drivers in so many ways. It makes the experience even less pleasant for passengers. Delays and cancellations will start increasing from drivers not being happy with their view of the...

Top post. Exactly my feelings and my experience of my colleagues too. Shame so many won't listen but have their view seemingly set in stone by what's happened in the past.

There are also countless examples of unsafe practices going on out there workplaces which only come to light once a death has resulted. I can assure you the railway unions do play a major part in assuring both our safety and that of the passengers. Based on experience rather than a dogmatic...

Not many buses are 240 metres long, carry 1000 people, and get stuck in the middle of nowhere with a live rail and trains going 90mph outside with nowhere to walk and possible steep cuttings or embankments either side. Please!

It is the driver's responsibility to ensure he doesn't break the Hidden Rules, because the company would allow him to then blame him if something happens. The presence of the union gives us the confidence to stand up to the company and insist we aren't doing anything unsafe, because without it...

They're concerned for THEIR safety. They just haven't been given the facts. When I tell lay people why we're worried they get it.

Actually we are very happy for lay people to ask questions. Especially since there is widespread ignorance about every aspect of the railway, even within the railway itself. However if our answers are then doubted or dismissed because our experience doesn't comply with the reports or evidence...

It's not much comfort if an objective RAIB and CPS decide I'm negligent even though it may only be a matter of chance if I see a PTI incident developing on monitor number 11 on a dark platform when I'm trying to ensure that the pushchair on monitor number 2 is clear before I close the doors. Of...

Seconded. I've read RAIB reports that don't really come to any conclusions because they are sometimes skating around the point that a second person dispatching could have prevented an incident. See West Wickham. I've come from the outside world to drive and been shocked by the state of the...

I'm not literally talking about air travel. It's using an allegory of sorts to make a point.