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Moderator note: Split from https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/southeastern-fleet-replacement-updates.239360/ I feel like they are going to wait until the 376s reach end of life and do it all in one big go.

If we’re honest it’s too late for refurbishment the units are aging rapidly now because of neglect and need to go. With so many new trains in recent years it’s only made it more obvious. I feel like the trains are only part of the issue with multiple stations needing attention as well. This is...

It’s good to see EL already being used by many and it’s impact will continue in the Autumn. It’s a shame no real consideration was given into the design of Abbey Wood station to extend services further towards Dartford as if the station was designed appropriately it would be easier to start this...

Moderator note: Split from https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/crossrail-construction-updates-and-progress-towards-opening-now-expected-24-may-2022.211880/ They should just rename Thameslink Thames Line and be done with it, add it as part of the X Rail mode. Obviously TFL would have to take over.

Isn’t Crossrail and Crossrail 2 just essentially a modernised 21st century version of the tube anyway. Just like how Deep Level was after Sub-Surface?

I have to agree the Southeastern stations are in terrible condition and the dreary Grey only shows up more of the dirt. The network looks old and unwelcoming for the 21st Century.

In my opinion the only way the Overground would be able to even takeover is if only a handful of routes were taken such as the Bexleyheath Line it wouldn’t work if they simply took over all Metro Services as they go far out.

Has it been mentioned if Crossrail will eventually be 24 hour? It would be a massive help I’d imagine if it was.

Isn’t it silly repainting trains when the railway is going to be completely rebranded soon (GBR)

I imagine the 707s are going to be used on all the services which the 376s use? Since they are both 10 car trains. Maybe they will be used a lot more on all the loop services allowing the ageing networkers to keep to shorter journeys?

Whilst on this topic has anyone travelled on Thameslink around the North Kent Line. The dodgy people walking up and down the aisle harassing people for money. Smoking, Loud music all sorts of anti-social behaviour.

Could the 376s be moved because they are going to completely replace the fleet with Desiro City’s in the near future?

SouthEastern Networkers use to have a very strong distinctive smell as well, Some still have it.

Like it or not Grey is the most popular colour nowadays, Not just for Trains but for pretty much everything! I prefer it to boring White. If you want to survive the 21st Century you will have to get use to the colour Grey..

I feel a lot of Naughties designs are more futuristic than Modern Liveries, I feel in the 2020s we will see White continue to die as in general we are seeing Grey/Silver take over White is the main shade in design.

I've noticed so far this week most of the Networkers and Electrostars seem to be clean from tagging.

Whilst obviously not being a huge solution to the problem,If the TOCs made the outsides of the trains more inspiring and good looking (Such as StageCoach South West Trains) maybe people wouldn't feel like ruining the outside of trains as much, If I was in that mindset and I wanted to go out...

London is going back 15-20 years lately with the increase in violent crimes and Graffiti, It's so strange as we had turned a corner from all these behaviors but now they all seem to be back in Fashion.

Defiantly Reading early 00s was the best time!

No trains have the livery yet we have only seen a mock-up someone posted the other day.