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I suggest that you read the thread http://www.railforums.co.uk/showthread.php?t=127422&page=26 on any news to do with class 442's.
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I suggest that you read the thread http://www.railforums.co.uk/showthread.php?t=127422&page=26 on any news to do with class 442's.
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obviously i know of the cost issue, but would they want the reminants of FCC to run through to 2021? WOuld they want purple units coupled to southern green ones for another 5 years or so?..thats assuming the 377/5s are still coming back to southern.
I know the lower part of the coaches (the FCC dynamic blocks or what ever they are called) is vinyl but he whole coach is purple. Maybe just the removal of this and some other vinyl applied.
That's a 66 coming down to tow the first 313 to Wolverton.
Bit difficult for a 387 to do seeing as the mods are done at Bletchley.
Capacity has changed yes but what was the alternative? Leave London Bridge as it was? You have stated that infrastructure issues were not solved, London Bridge requires massive change and it means real pain for a long term gain.
The forward planning is sadly not as good as it could have been with the original TLP plan of course meaning SE would have been able to pick up some stock prior to London Bridge HL works starting (with possibly 700s running around on various routes too). Last word is I do not agree with the point made of SE being a poor TOC that's seen no stock increase, it has.
But we are now getting well off the point of the thread now.
From my understanding, with the 387/1s not moving to GWR, is it now more likely that they will be going to work on the Great Northern than the 377/5s, or has that not been decided yet? Just thinking with the 387s now possibly available, it'd make more sense for them to work the ECML with their 110 mph capability. Sorry if it's been covered!
Rumours are indeed pointing towards the 387/1s going to Great Northern instead of the 377/5s.
Near enough certain after a recent staff brief
It's now the destination of the 365s that's a big question mark.
Obviously pathing is the limiting factor, but could a 387/1 manage the Cambridge-London run significantly (as in a matter of minutes) quicker than the current 365s? They manage it a bit under 45 minutes with a clear run (think it's timetabled for 48!)
It's too late to seriously propose anything, but why is there a need to get rid of them in the first place if they aren't needed anywhere else, and the identity of the replacement stock hasn't been finalized?
They've got a 10mph speed advantage that might be handy.
It's too late to seriously propose anything, but why is there a need to get rid of them in the first place if they aren't needed anywhere else, and the identity of the replacement stock hasn't been finalized?
Which leaves 19-20 365s unaccounted for, as the balance are (currently) assigned to GWR
Pre-GTR plans were that (aside from the Moorgate fleet) the 40 365s would be retained exclusively, so if the Electrostars are being bought over then there won't be a need for the full 365 fleet.
but is there enough distance with a limit above 100mph between Hitchin and Kings Cross to make a difference? it's only 31 miles. If it was all at speed (which would leave the train coming to a halt in pieces on Euston Road!) then at 100mph that's 18.6 minutes, at 110mph that's 16.9 minutes. But there's acceleration (out of the slow curve/junction at Hitchin) and deceleration (most importantly into Kings Cross!) and not all the line is >100mph. That all eats into that 102 seconds
So, trying to take account of current rumours, this is what I think the situation looks like
Cheers for doing that - very useful diagram for the whole situation.
There's not really many places for the 365s it seems. I'd say put one on LM in place of 319s on the Abbey Line, but that'd be yet another microfiber. Still, they'd be more reliable than the 319s atm.
The 365s, and the 317s before them, have in the past done the Cambridge run in 45 mins regularly, I assumed the current timetable added padding due to congestion. Having 387s at 110mph should enable these "Cambridge Cruisers" (sorry I still call them that) to come back down to 45 mins.
The future of 365s is a good debate- with TPX and Northern now having ordered their new trains that route is out, as now is GWR
Forty-six is too much?
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/G71058/2016/06/13/advanced :P
The end to end time is largely irrelevant, but the higher top speed allows a shorter headway for any following train, improving capacity.
But from what others have said on this thread, not all of them can be converted to DC anymore.They would be welcomed down here by ScotGG, myself and a million Southeastern commuters.
But from what others have said on this thread, not all of them can be converted to DC anymore.
Exactly see the ORR's approval of extra ECML long distance path in late May and the introduction of IEP with better acceleration, to get the most capacity out of ECML fasts it is going to need TSGN stock with better a hight top speed and probably better acceleration too.
Though I'm not sure if the Electrostar/Desiro types have better acceleration than a Class 365. Also worth noting is that the Thameslink 700 doesn't share the 'enhanced' top speed of Class 350/387.
While the 700s have a better acceleration rate, the Desiro City are supposed to be able to go up to 118mph above which the body shells don't need the spec IIRC.
Back on topic, keep your eyes peel on TL route this week.
When will the 700s be entering service...they said a few weeks
First rule of RUK, don't ask when 700s enter service.No... you don't ever ask that question.