Should We Leave the EU?

northwichcat · 23 Jun 2016

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Geezertronic · 23 Jun 2016

That's like saying that if you are undecided whether to vote Labour or Conservative, vote Conservative to stick with what we have

northwichcat · 23 Jun 2016

Geezertronic said:
That's like saying that if you are undecided whether to vote Labour or Conservative, vote Conservative to stick with what we have

No. A 50.1% majority in favour of remain will see us remain for now but the Brexit people will push for another referendum a few years down the line due to the result not being conclusive (see what the SNP proposed when 45% of Scots voted to leave the UK.) A 50.1% majority in favour of leave will see us leave the EU without the option of rejoining a few years down the line.

miami · 23 Jun 2016

I'd like to see an 80%+ remain vote.

EM2 · 23 Jun 2016

Gutfright said:
And if they don't vote the "correct" way, they have another one.

After negotiation on the matters over which the first referendum was defeated.

Johnuk123 · 23 Jun 2016

paulweaver said:
I'd like to see an 80%+ remain vote.

Won't happen, I will stick to my prediction of a 10-15 point Remain advantage as the undecideds will have no desire to vote anything else but stay as you are.

LexyBoy · 23 Jun 2016

Johnuk123 said:
Won't happen, I will stick to my prediction of a 10-15 point Remain advantage as the undecideds will have no desire to vote anything else but stay as you are.

If they vote at all - the wet weather means that the more apathetic are less likely to vote.

Johnuk123 · 23 Jun 2016

LexyBoy said:
If they vote at all - the wet weather means that the more apathetic are less likely to vote.

Most of the country is bathed in sunshine, everybody doesn't live in London.

miami · 23 Jun 2016

LexyBoy said:
If they vote at all - the wet weather means that the more apathetic are less likely to vote.

What wet weather?
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Johnuk123 said:
Won't happen, I will stick to my prediction of a 10-15 point Remain advantage as the undecideds will have no desire to vote anything else but stay as you are.

I can but dream.

I guess c. 53-47 - 6 point difference.

Antman said:
Family reasons apparently. Unconfirmed reports that a member of his family was assaulted.

So where were these "unconfirmed reports". Indeed where are the reports of death threats to Farage?

http://metro.co.uk/2016/06/23/farage-pulled-out-of-the-debate-to-have-dinner-with-his-son-5961528/

But in fact he was going out for dinner with his son who he had not seen in nine months, according to the Daily Mail.
He hadnt seen him for nine months. It was a no brainer, a source told the paper.

His son Sam works at accounting firm KPMG.

It was not clear why he had not seen his father for so long.

Geezertronic · 23 Jun 2016

jcollins said:
No. A 50.1% majority in favour of remain will see us remain for now but the Brexit people will push for another referendum a few years down the line due to the result not being conclusive (see what the SNP proposed when 45% of Scots voted to leave the UK.) A 50.1% majority in favour of leave will see us leave the EU without the option of rejoining a few years down the line.

I won't use the phase "Scare Tactic" because it has already been overused and abused during this debacle so I'll just say it's an attempt to force a Remain vote then? Just as Juncker's recent statement?

Howardh · 23 Jun 2016

Johnuk123 said:
Most of the country is bathed in sunshine, everybody doesn't live in London.

Yes, Lancashire are expecting a full day's cricket. At home. Had to look that up in the dictionary.

Spamcan81 · 23 Jun 2016

I've cast my vote. Decision not based on facts as there has been precious few of those from either side during the campaign. Given that the Mail, Express, Star and Sun all want us out and UKIP, Britain First and other unsavoury groups do too, I figured it best we stay so I voted "Remain" in the end.

Johnuk123 · 23 Jun 2016

paulweaver said:
Indeed where are the reports of death threats to Farage?

Hundreds on here, some containing naughty words.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/201...sages-urging-attacks-on-ukip-leader-revealed/

TheKnightWho · 23 Jun 2016

paulweaver said:
So where were these "unconfirmed reports". Indeed where are the reports of death threats to Farage?

http://metro.co.uk/2016/06/23/farage-pulled-out-of-the-debate-to-have-dinner-with-his-son-5961528/

One might almost think Antman was hopeful in case it swung the polls. Frankly, I find that disgusting: I don't like the man, but hoping he or his family got assaulted for cheap political points is awful.

Domh245 · 23 Jun 2016

jcollins said:
Simple guide to voting

If you really are undecided, it would be best to spoil the ballot paper. That way, you are showing that you don't know which way to vote. Spoiled papers are shown along with the results of properly marked papers, so if enough people spoil their ballots, it would show that a lot of the country didn't know which way to vote. What that might lead to, nobody knows, but it would send a message.

radamfi · 23 Jun 2016

The betting has dramatically moved towards a Remain vote. Until yesterday, Remain was about 1/3 or 1/4, compared to about 1/5 a few months ago, but now we are looking at 1/8 or 1/9.

miami · 23 Jun 2016

Domh245 said:
If you really are undecided, it would be best to spoil the ballot paper. That way, you are showing that you don't know which way to vote. Spoiled papers are shown along with the results of properly marked papers, so if enough people spoil their ballots, it would show that a lot of the country didn't know which way to vote. What that might lead to, nobody knows, but it would send a message.

Quite, this especially applies in general elections. There are 2 types of people. Those that turn up and make their mark, and those that don't bother. Be in the first group.

northwichcat · 23 Jun 2016

Geezertronic said:
I won't use the phase "Scare Tactic" because it has already been overused and abused during this debacle so I'll just say it's an attempt to force a Remain vote then? Just as Juncker's recent statement?

Do you not know how MPs vote in parliament? Voting against a change doesn't mean they think the current arrangement is perfect, quite often it's mean they think the plans need to be re-examined but if they vote in favour of the change and it goes through then it means the option of re-examining changes won't be there.

zuriblue · 23 Jun 2016

Johnuk123 said:
Hundreds on here, some containing naughty words.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/201...sages-urging-attacks-on-ukip-leader-revealed/

Probably not a good idea to rely on Breitbart, it's credibility is somewhere below zero.

LexyBoy · 23 Jun 2016

Domh245 said:
If you really are undecided, it would be best to spoil the ballot paper. That way, you are showing that you don't know which way to vote. Spoiled papers are shown along with the results of properly marked papers, so if enough people spoil their ballots, it would show that a lot of the country didn't know which way to vote. What that might lead to, nobody knows, but it would send a message.

Not really for the reasons in the picture. Elections are different because the term will be the same whatever the outcome (assuming no massive scandal requiring a by-election). In the referendum the chance to reconsider differs with the outcome.

Xenophon PCDGS · 23 Jun 2016

Howardh said:
Yes, Lancashire are expecting a full day's cricket. At home. Had to look that up in the dictionary.

We went to cast our votes in our very nice part of Cheshire East earlier this morning and we were bathed in warm sunshine with the merest hint of a warm summer breeze...

Johnuk123 · 23 Jun 2016

zuriblue said:
Probably not a good idea to rely on Breitbart, it's credibility is somewhere below zero.

Yes all those twitters are just made up.

LexyBoy · 23 Jun 2016

Johnuk123 said:
Most of the country is bathed in sunshine, everybody doesn't live in London.

Of course not - only about a third of the country live in the SE. Anyway, it's looking dry even down here from now on so hopefully turnout won't be too affected.

Xenophon PCDGS · 23 Jun 2016

paulweaver said:
Quite, this especially applies in general elections. There are 2 types of people. Those that turn up and make their mark, and those that don't bother. Be in the first group.

Many weeks ago on this thread, I queried if the usual suspects who are too apathethic, lazy and without any vestige whatsoever of social responsibility will break their habit of a lifetime and actually turn up and cast their vote today?

Someone should be stationed at the polling station to reassure them that no trains will be inside to frighten them...

Geezertronic · 23 Jun 2016

jcollins said:
Do you not know how MPs vote in parliament? Voting against a change doesn't mean they think the current arrangement is perfect, quite often it's mean they think the plans need to be re-examined but if they vote in favour of the change and it goes through then it means the option of re-examining changes won't be there.

But in parliament there is scope to re-examine as you put it. In the EU, with people like Juncker running the show I think you will be sadly disappointed if you think a Remain vote will lead to any re-examining

DynamicSpirit · 23 Jun 2016

TheKnightWho said:
One might almost think Antman was hopeful in case it swung the polls. Frankly, I find that disgusting: I don't like the man, but hoping he or his family got assaulted for cheap political points is awful.

*sigh* What was that I was saying about needlessly assuming people have bad motives?

Your comments are absurd. Personally, I seem to disagree with Antman on almost everything we discuss here, but surely the most obvious explanation for his mentioning the reports about rumours of an assault are that he'd seen those reports, thought they might be true, and so posted them here for information? Suggesting that a fellow forum member was actually hoping someone would get assaulted - when that person has posted nothing to suggest that is the case - is not only (in my view) a disgusting way of conducting an argument, but I would suspect it's starting to border on being libellous.

Antman · 23 Jun 2016

Spamcan81 said:
I've cast my vote. Decision not based on facts as there has been precious few of those from either side during the campaign. Given that the Mail, Express, Star and Sun all want us out and UKIP, Britain First and other unsavoury groups do too, I figured it best we stay so I voted "Remain" in the end.

Most of us make our own decision :roll:

TheKnightWho · 23 Jun 2016

DynamicSpirit said:
*sigh* What was that I was saying about needlessly assuming people have bad motives?

Your comments are absurd. Personally, I seem to disagree with Antman on almost everything we discuss here, but surely the most obvious explanation for his mentioning the reports about rumours of an assault are that he'd seen those reports, thought they might be true, and so posted them here for information? Suggesting that a fellow forum member was actually hoping someone would get assaulted - when that person has posted nothing to suggest that is the case - is not only (in my view) a disgusting way of conducting an argument, but I would suspect it's starting to border on being libellous.

My point is about hypocrisy. And I don't think he actively hoped they had been assaulted, but being extremely ready to believe it in the hope of scoring political points is exactly what Antman has just spent the last week moaning about.

So it's not absurd at all - in fact, it's extremely relevant.

Antman · 23 Jun 2016

DynamicSpirit said:
*sigh* What was that I was saying about needlessly assuming people have bad motives?

Your comments are absurd. Personally, I seem to disagree with Antman on almost everything we discuss here, but surely the most obvious explanation for his mentioning the reports about rumours of an assault are that he'd seen those reports, thought they might be true, and so posted them here for information? Suggesting that a fellow forum member was actually hoping someone would get assaulted - when that person has posted nothing to suggest that is the case - is not only (in my view) a disgusting way of conducting an argument, but I would suspect it's starting to border on being libellous.

OMG does he really think I invented a report about a relative of Nigel Farage possibly being assaulted? :oops:

I was reporting what I had heard, even if it's true I wouldn't expect anybody other than a complete idiot to switch to Brexit as a result!

I've heard everything now

TheKnightWho · 23 Jun 2016

Antman said:
OMG does he really think I invented a report about a relative of Nigel Farage possibly being assaulted?

I was reporting what I had heard, even if it's true I wouldn't expect anybody other than a complete idiot to switch to Brexit as a result!

I've heard everything now

You mean like the rest of us did about Jo Cox.

Self-awareness level: 0.

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