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Yorkswatcher

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I get this train quite a lot and I dont think I have ever arrived on time its always +5 mins late.

It either goes slow through stevenage, waits outside Peterboro or there is some other hold up/

Anyone know why and will this improve come the 22nd.
 
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granted I tend to get trains earlier in the afternoon, but I usually find my KX-Leeds trains arrive into Leeds about 5 mins early
 

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Anyone know why and will this improve come the 22nd.
I'd guess that this is because it is pathed to run just 5 mins behind the 18:30 which has a different stopping pattern - (between London & Doncaster, it stops at Stevenage, Grantham & Newark, while yours has just stops at Peterborough & Retford.). There's supposed to be 9 minutes between them by the time they reach Doncaster; with one less stop, its inevitable that it will keep 'catching up' with the 18:30.
Given that most of them are running within a minute or so booked time, then there will often be yellows or greater conflicts.

After May, there's even less headway! It will depart 2 mins earlier at 18:33, but the 18:30 ahead of it will only have 2 stops before Donny (Peterborough & Newark, and yours will stop at Stevenage & Grantham). There will 10 minutes in the timetable between their arrivals at Doncaster, so with the 2 services having an equal number of stops, the timetable may be a little less fragile.

There's slightly better planning throught the peak as well. The 19:00 is followed by a 19:03 and a 19:06, but the first is non-stop to York, the next has 2 stops before Donny, and the next has 4 stops then goes off to Lincoln. Surely it will be easier to run to time.
Won't it?
 

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4 mins late yesterday.

Good news about not stopping at Peterboro no more of those season ticket winkers.
 

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I think part of the problem is the bunfight to get anything out of KGX in the evening peak (which is the harder one to plan as the long-distance peak coincides with the commuter one). In an ideal world, I think EC would have preferred to run the 1835 KGX - LDS a few minutes later, but there's the small problem of the 1840 and 1844 FCC fast commuter services (non-stop to Biggleswade/Royston respectively) running just behind (and noting that anything that FCC has will accelerate a damn sight better than anything EC runs)
So I suspect that the path that is provided is the best of a balancing act:
- Use the fast lines KGX - Biggleswade when they are available
- Try to balance the calls at Stevenage, Peterborough, Grantham, Newark and Retford between North East and Leeds services
- Try to balance the calls at Stevenage, Peterborough, Grantham, Newark and Retford so a regular interval service is provided from London
- Try not to delay long distance services too much
- Try not to overload services
It should be noted that there are three trains to Leeds between 1700 and 1800, but only 2 between 1800 and 1900, which means that it would be a bad idea to stop the 1835 at more stations, even if that won't delay the service, because it would overburden the train with Lincs/Notts commuters, while it is prudent to stop the 1830 at as many intermediate stations as possible, because it runs only 10 minutes behind a North East express, and additionally provides through services to the NE from Lincs/Notts.

The new timetable shifts the compromise towards "standard pattern", and in fact makes it harder for some long distance journeys not involving London or Peterborough, but since the standard pattern is designed to be fairly robust*, it should be better for the majority of passengers.

*if EC and NR can sort out their respective maintenance regimes - is it just me, or do EC sets fail more than they did under GNER?
 

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Is it just me, or did NX do the bare minimum work and is EC's stock 3.5 years older since GNER lost it?

That would be true, I seem to recall it being said somewhere or other whilst the stock was being used by GNER there were large stores of spare parts all of the place and the ROSCO was closely involved in the planning of heavy maintenance and the condition of the rolling stock it owned.

By the end of NX there were no longer plenty of spares, maintenance had been deferred and the ROSCO had essentially been removed from the planning of maintenance and so didn't have much of an idea what condition it's rolling stock was is. Hence why EC has spent so long trying to fix everything and get it back into GNER condition.
 

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Rolling stock reliability has improved and I'm sure they recently stated the fleet is more reliable then ever before, there are also more spares being stored at depots. NX let spares run down, but GNER also did towards the end in a bid to save money.

Bounds Green and Craigentinny were also allowed to become specialist in only one type of rolling stock meaning a HST with a fault would have to wait until it reached Neville Hill or Craigentinny to be fixed.
 

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Is it just me, or did NX do the bare minimum work and is EC's stock 3.5 years older since GNER lost it?

No need to snark - Merely a question, I don't use them every day any more (used to under GNER, but moved house), but I see cancellations due to failed trains quite frequently when checking service status.
 

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There always seems to be some kind of hold up in the Hitchin/Stevenage area. Hopefully, the proposed flyover will change that.
 
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