Bit of a sweeping statement to be honest!Looks good. Siemens make better trains than Bombardier.
Although probably true in the context of UK stock over the last two to three decades.Bit of a sweeping statement to be honest!
And elsewhere. Seems that OBB are not happy with their late and unreliable Tallent 3s so have ordered more Desiros instead.Although probably true in the context of UK stock over the last two to three decades.
Sorry but that is downright ugly.Today, Siemens’ social media accounts have presented the final design of the new Piccadilly line tube trains.
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Here is the press release with a lot of information and a few pictures, outside and inside: https://www.mobility.siemens.com/gl...nces/metro-london.html?linkId=300000000971683
As well as a datasheet with some technical information: https://assets.new.siemens.com/siem...ity-piccadilly-line-tube-train-data-sheet.pdf
That's clever.I assume that the articulated bogies means that there are fewer wheels under each carriage which therefore provides the room for the A/C equipment.
Looking at the pictures, are there any luggage areas? Have these been sacrificed to provide the greater capacity?
Edit: to correct my lousy spelling!
No chance. Frankly slippage is far more likely. The 73 stock are way better than the 72 stock on the Bakerloo line, which has no set replacement date, either.Hope they arrive before 2025 I want those old trains gone!
A useful explanation, TY.Have you failed to notice the statement about 9-car trains, where the current 1973 Tube Stock maxes-out platform lengths with only 6 cars?
20 axles* is not a vast reduction from 24 (and for all we know the total train weight might well be lower too), but articulation is far far gentler when trying to avoid track wear on corners.
*22 axles if these are configured as half-train units, despite having no cabs in the middle, just like S Stock
That's true for deep tube stock. Not for stock on the cut and cover lines (S stock etc)....Why are you not a fan ?
I can mostly see advantages.
I believe TfL names stock when the first one gets delivered, so as this is planned for 2025, I’d say 2025 Stock ?
Bit harsh, the original "Cola Can" design looked more horrid than what we have today!Sorry but that is downright ugly.
That's true. But relatively less ugly is still ugly.Bit harsh, the original "Cola Can" design looked more horrid than what we have today!
But both descriptions are personal opinions, not absolute fact.That's true. But relatively less ugly is still ugly.
Personally I think they look great, a very striking mix of modern with traditional LT design touches. Certainly better looking than the S and 2009 stocks, which were beaten senseless with the ugly stick.But both descriptions are personal opinions, not absolute fact.
I'll be honest, I'm not quite sure what you mean by that!beaten senseless with the ugly stick.
I mean that they're ugly!I'll be honest, I'm not quite sure what you mean by that!
I could not demure from that.But both descriptions are personal opinions, not absolute fact.
ITYM 'demur'.I could not demure from that.
IndeedITYM 'demur'.
It just looks like a bog standard London Underground train to me. Designs never vary by that much.Sorry but that is downright ugly.
The window size difference will only be noticeable when a similar design replaces the 92 stock on the Central LineI quite like the design. The main thing I dislike is the tiny windows, though looking at the inside mockups it doesn't look too claustrophobic.
(Of course th e deep-level tube isn't famed for its scenic views anyway )
It just looks like a bog standard London Underground train to me. Designs never vary by that much.
And an emergency door on the ends. So all-in-all they're always going to have a certain look.They can't really - they just have to fit in the tunnels
The '92 stock has unusually large windows for a deep tube train anyway. tbh I can't say I like how those feel inside - too much murky grey panelling!The window size difference will only be noticeable when a similar design replaces the 92 stock on the Central Line
The '92 stock does trave quite a distance above ground where the large windows are welcome.The '92 stock has unusually large windows for a deep tube train anyway. tbh I can't say I like how those feel inside - too much murky grey panelling!
Noticeable in that replacing a mobile greenhouse means that even without aircon things should be much cooler!The window size difference will only be noticeable when a similar design replaces the 92 stock on the Central Line
Unfortunately most obscured by the new CIS displays in the refurbished units.The '92 stock does trave quite a distance above ground where the large windows are welcome.
AgreedNoticeable in that replacing a mobile greenhouse means that even without aircon things should be much cooler!
The window size difference will only be noticeable when a similar design replaces the 92 stock on the Central Line
Seems logical to me. Whereas it’s the main reason or not I’m not sure. The 2009 Stock has small windows and no A/C.I think the smaller windows will allow them to fit a less powerful HVAC system as the trains would take less effort to heat/cool, thus the HVAC units can be smaller and lighter, am I correct?
I doubt that it makes much different unless the train is standing in the sun for a long period.Seems logical to me. Whereas it’s the main reason or not I’m not sure. The 2009 Stock has small windows and no A/C.
Which can be the case one lines with long outdoor sections and exterior depots.I doubt that it makes much different unless the train is standing in the sun for a long period.