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A career as a signaller

joestankey18

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Wimbledon. My medical is next month. What was the medical like ?


Thanx I would have never thought of half of this. Just found network rail bell codes and I think the build up, learning all these things, Is kinda exiting ? Haha Anywho thanx for the support, appreciate it :") let me know if you think of any other things for me to look into :)
It was a breeze nothing to worry bout. What grade? I’m currently currently waiting training dates again
 
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muz379

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Hey.
I've just been offered a job as a signaller after trying for 2 and a bit years and being placed on waiting lists!
I attended an assessment centre last week in York for a Middlesbrough position and have been told provisional start date of August (as long as medical etc is okay). Just wondering if anyone else is due to start August around my area :) I am assuming the IST will be at York? Or could it be further afield?
IST can be at any of the training centres across the UK , they will basically send you wherever they have places , if they can get you a place at York I am sure they will because it saves travel expenses . But it is not unheard of for people to have to travel far for IST either .
 

MylesHSG

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They will try to get you on the course closest to you and the box location, saves time, money and is much easier for the LOM to visit (if they still do that these days?) but if that course is already booked you can be put on a course anywhere in the country.
 

Amack92

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Online Video Assessment completed. First scenario was terrible, took abit to get the hang of it, and getting the information across into the camera wasn't easy to begin with.

Face to face Interview in a couple of weeks, time to prepare! Any advice would be appreciated.

Cheers!!
 

rcuk

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Anyone else had offers for WMSC last week?

Proposed start date in September.

Thought might aswell do some pre joining networking
 

BrummieBobby

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Somebody recommended to me on here to read L T C Rolt’s book “Red for Danger” before going on IST and I really enjoyed it. It doesn’t prepare you in any meaningful way but it’s just a highly readable account of lots of railway accidents and what caused them. Lots of Absolute Block disasters if you’re going into that side of signalling.

Every signal box I have ever visited has a copy of Red for Danger floating around somewhere (AB boxes, Power boxes and modern signalling centres)

I would recommend trainees reading it, from a point of view of what can go wrong if rules are not applied correctly if nothing else.

There is a phrase a former colleague said to me "The Rule Book is written in blood" he was absolutely correct.
 

The Puddock

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Every signal box I have ever visited has a copy of Red for Danger floating around somewhere (AB boxes, Power boxes and modern signalling centres)
I’ve never seen a copy of Red For Danger in a signalbox but perhaps it’s a lot more popular in England than it is here. The one book you do seem to find in lots of Scottish boxes is Signalman’s Morning by Adrian Vaughan.

Personally I’m not keen on Tom Rolt’s writing style.
 

godfreycomplex

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I’ve never seen a copy of Red For Danger in a signalbox but perhaps it’s a lot more popular in England than it is here. The one book you do seem to find in lots of Scottish boxes is Signalman’s Morning by Adrian Vaughan.

Personally I’m not keen on Tom Rolt’s writing style.
Both Tom Rolt and Adrian Vaughan’s writing styles raise my hackles to Sears Tower levels but it can’t be denied they’re both pretty popular (though I do agree Red for Danger is more a southern boxes thing for some reason)

I would recommend trainees reading it, from a point of view of what can go wrong if rules are not applied correctly if nothing else.

There is a phrase a former colleague said to me "The Rule Book is written in blood" he was absolutely correct.
That being said I do agree with this.

Whilst the methods of signalling and train operation have very profoundly changed since the book was written, the human factors involved have changed surprisingly little
 

John Webb

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I’ve never seen a copy of Red For Danger in a signalbox but perhaps it’s a lot more popular in England than it is here. The one book you do seem to find in lots of Scottish boxes is Signalman’s Morning by Adrian Vaughan.

Personally I’m not keen on Tom Rolt’s writing style.
"Red for Danger" was first written by Tom Rolt in 1955 when he was 45, and was subsequently extended and updated by others after his death in 1974. His style is perhaps a bit 'Old Fashioned' by today's standards but that was his way of writing.

Other books perhaps to look at are those by Stanley Hall, who worked on the railways from 1943 up to 1982, and was involved in numerous accident enquiries and became BR's 'Signalling and Safety Officer' in 1977. In particular "Danger Signals" published 1987 and "Danger on the Line" published 1989, both by Ian Allan. They were combined into "Railway Disasters - cause and effects" in 1992 by another company for a bookstore chain.

A perhaps lesser-known book by Adrian Vaughan is "Obstruction Danger" published in 1989 by Guild Publishing/Patrick Stephens Ltd. which is described as covering "Significant British railway accidents 1890-1986".
 

kelly96

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Hi, I am wondering if during signaller school there are regular alcohol tests or is it just done at your medical? I am not a regular drinker so not concerned about this apart from on one weekend I will be abroad for a hen do (which has been booked for months) and I return the Sunday. I would hate to delay my signaller school by a few months for this but I’m anxious if there’s a weekly alcohol test on the Monday I may not pass so just wondering what would be best. Any advice would be great.
 

Trothy

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After the medical, drug and alcohol test are the same random testing as all other safety critical staff, there is no "regular test" maybe just take it easy on the Sunday evening of the hen do.
 

SH89

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Hi, I am wondering if during signaller school there are regular alcohol tests or is it just done at your medical? I am not a regular drinker so not concerned about this apart from on one weekend I will be abroad for a hen do (which has been booked for months) and I return the Sunday. I would hate to delay my signaller school by a few months for this but I’m anxious if there’s a weekly alcohol test on the Monday I may not pass so just wondering what would be best. Any advice would be great.
Avoid drinking on the Sunday and you’d be absolutely fine. The chances are you wouldn’t be tested, but it’s not worth the risk
 

The Puddock

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Hi, I am wondering if during signaller school there are regular alcohol tests or is it just done at your medical? I am not a regular drinker so not concerned about this apart from on one weekend I will be abroad for a hen do (which has been booked for months) and I return the Sunday. I would hate to delay my signaller school by a few months for this but I’m anxious if there’s a weekly alcohol test on the Monday I may not pass so just wondering what would be best. Any advice would be great.
As per the reply above this one, there is random D&A screening throughout your career and the whole point of it is to be unpredictable. It is not unusual to be tested at some point during the course but you won’t be tested every week. However the massive caveat is that if the trainer suspects you are under the influence of drink on the Monday they will escalate it and you’ll be subject to a ‘for cause’ test, if you are over the limit you’ll fail and be booted off the course. This has happened many times before.

The best advice is the same as given above - don’t drink enough on the Sunday to cause you to still be over the limit on the Monday.
 

MylesHSG

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There are 3 circumstances you will be tested for D&A.

1. Medicals
2. After operational incidents that go wrong
3. Random
 

The Puddock

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There are 3 circumstances you will be tested for D&A.

1. Medicals
2. After operational incidents that go wrong
3. Random
I would add one -

2a. If there is suspicion, or an allegation has been made, that you are under the influence of drink or drugs at work
 

Llanigraham

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Hi, I am wondering if during signaller school there are regular alcohol tests or is it just done at your medical? I am not a regular drinker so not concerned about this apart from on one weekend I will be abroad for a hen do (which has been booked for months) and I return the Sunday. I would hate to delay my signaller school by a few months for this but I’m anxious if there’s a weekly alcohol test on the Monday I may not pass so just wondering what would be best. Any advice would be great.

I know it was 10 years ago, but the course prior to mine had random testing one morning and one "pupil" was sent home. I've also been told that a MOM Course has also been tested.
Anything is possible, so I wouldn't be risking it.
 

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Hi, I am wondering if during signaller school there are regular alcohol tests or is it just done at your medical? I am not a regular drinker so not concerned about this apart from on one weekend I will be abroad for a hen do (which has been booked for months) and I return the Sunday. I would hate to delay my signaller school by a few months for this but I’m anxious if there’s a weekly alcohol test on the Monday I may not pass so just wondering what would be best. Any advice would be great.
Drugs and Alcohol tests will not only be completed at every medical you do, but also random tests can be conducted whilst you are on duty (this includes at signalling School). Also, if you commit a serious safety related mistake whilst on duty (which can happen to anyone at anytime-even the best of the best), you will almost definitely get escorted off to conduct a test too. The general unspoken rule is you would never drink alcohol the day before a shift is due to start, so that you will be safe if you get D&A tested. For those that take illegal drugs, this isn't the profession for you, although I still here of staff being sacked every now and then as they've failed a random or with cause test. You also have to be very careful in this job where prescription of over the counter medicine is concerned- and signallers have to consult the on-call chemist before starting work to ensure that they can work in their safety critical role.
 

Royal351

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Hi. So I know that York is one of the training centres where Signaller training takes place but i wondered where the others are?
I know down in the southeast, you've got paddock wood, Basingstoke, and then when they decide to open it, Selhurst too. London at James Forbes house is done and dusted.
Some up in Scotland, I think it's Aberdeen? I know someone I work with at Three Bridges had to do IST up there in Soctland
 

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I know down in the southeast, you've got paddock wood, Basingstoke, and then when they decide to open it, Selhurst too. London at James Forbes house is done and dusted.
Some up in Scotland, I think it's Aberdeen? I know someone I work with at Three Bridges had to do IST up there in Soctland
That’s some travel to do it in Scotland! At least it’s residential though.

So from Midlands, the IST could be anywhere really. Get to see more of the country though I guess. So it’s Scotland, York or London areas really?
 

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Hi, I am wondering if during signaller school there are regular alcohol tests or is it just done at your medical? I am not a regular drinker so not concerned about this apart from on one weekend I will be abroad for a hen do (which has been booked for months) and I return the Sunday. I would hate to delay my signaller school by a few months for this but I’m anxious if there’s a weekly alcohol test on the Monday I may not pass so just wondering what would be best. Any advice would be great.

In the nicest way possible, If you don’t already know the correct thing to do in this situation this job may not be the best for you.

That’s some travel to do it in Scotland! At least it’s residential though.

So from Midlands, the IST could be anywhere really. Get to see more of the country though I guess. So it’s Scotland, York or London areas really?

If you are Midlands based you tend to get sent to the Walsall Training Centre
 

SH89

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That’s some travel to do it in Scotland! At least it’s residential though.

So from Midlands, the IST could be anywhere really. Get to see more of the country though I guess. So it’s Scotland, York or London areas really?
Birmingham, Bristol, Newport, Ipswich etc also have training centres. It really does depend on the availability of the courses.
 

feaky4

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Funny all this talk of random alcohol testing and I have just had one this morning (don’t work in the rail industry yet)
 

RailwayRookie

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Pay attention in the previous 8 weeks?

Sorry if that sounds a bit harsh, but there are no tips or shortcuts really, you could honestly be examined in any of the material you have covered so far.
If you had S5 reasons come up but not wrong direction moves, anticipate them this time round, Or vice versa.. but that doesn't mean S5's won't come up, just not in as much detail.

There will be questions on all of the previous 8 weeks of learning, expect there to be more detailee questions on the material learnt from weeks 5 to 8 than 1 to 5 though.

But as above, revise everything!
 

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